That’s true. Qatari statement was written to hit our heart directly to address almost everything we care and hope for. Ratcliffe’s is disappointed in that sense.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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I have always had this opinion, that closer ties with the west is likely to improve things not the other way round, we last hung someone in 1964, homosexuality was illegal til 1967, in reality there are people alive today who lived in counties with similar values to what these me countries have. Yes we have democracy, but monarchs used to have a lot more power and influence than they should (and still do if you believe some of the leaks)
Bit hypocritical from neville though, wasn't he big on the anti Qatar stuff during the world cup?
You have to assume they will clear the debt, 600m is peanuts to these guys and would immediately generate a ton of goodwill with the fanbase
There are seemingly some fans who are so insecure about being OOTs that they would actively rather like the idea of the club losing its connection to its Manchester/UK roots because it would make them feel better about it.
As a fan who also isn’t from Manchester, it seems absolutely bonkers to me…
Hopefully no dippers involved in the Qatari bid. We don't need more sabotaging idiots like Woodward.
Right and amazing and Facebook and all those businesses were unreal valuable tech companies and they all lost a lot of value. We won't grow in global fanbase, we have a global fanbase because of our success when football went global, but kids now have grown up with city and Liverpool and Chelsea as the big teams.
We may be on the verge of winning trophies, but if you believe the rumours, there's no money to spend this summer, Chelsea will spend more, City will spend a fortune, Liverpool won't be as they were, they still have a strong team, arsenal will push on a Newcastle will be a big threat. I'd wager we're more likely to be perennially 5th place than title winners in a few years if the parasites stay in charge
Looks like posturing to me but if not… it’s amazing they think it’s worth that and willing to walk away given that the club needs major investment which they’re not filling to fund. If rumours are true they were trying to drum up investment prior to their statement and got no bites.
why would they want to hold on to something which is unlikely to be worth more than the bids they are currently receiving. Guess they see it differently !
The growth of the PL TV rights will come from abroad, especially Western developed countries where the market can still be squeezed further, like the US.
The domestic rights have not actually increased for 2 auction cycles and actually have slightly gone down. The last one was the first one where the international rights were worth more.
Ludicrous notion. MUFC are a football club. ‘Integration’ of a nation state, if it means anything, is a job for the United Nations or other nation states, not a soccer club. It’s like trying to integrate a house into a fridge or something like that.
Just read Qatari’s statement. It is all about what every Manutd supporter hopes for. I don’t doubt he is one of us.
Fcuk the Ineos statement. They will continue to be paying shareholders and probable other leakages will exist because of their chosen method of financing the asset acquisition is through the banks and not their own money.
All this talk of football governance is well dodge, sounds like a dogwhistle to nationalists and the far right lot. It's clear that the Qatari family will be best for the club, let's not feck up the opportunity to join them in this partnership.
All this talk of football governance is well dodge, sounds like a dogwhistle to nationalists and the far right lot. It's clear that the Qatari family will be best for the club, let's not feck up the opportunity to join them in this partnership.
Agreed. Just anecdotally, the popularity of the premiership has exploded in the US in recent years. Random people I meet, who I wouldn't ever think of as football fans, are very well educated on the clubs and players, so the US is definitely a massive market that will continue to feed the league with money.
These ‘journalists’ are so disingenuous!
They are implying he isn’t a fan and is opportunistic. Why don’t they show a picture of him wearing a Man Utd top from last year when he attended the match?
Why don’t they mention how Ratcliff is a Man Utd fan yet has a season ticket to chelsea?
Their agenda is so transparent.
They are implying he isn’t a fan and is opportunistic. Why don’t they show a picture of him wearing a Man Utd top from last year when he attended the match?
Why don’t they mention how Ratcliff is a Man Utd fan yet has a season ticket to chelsea?
Their agenda is so transparent.
Well, there's as certain section of fans in here that are trying to paint Jimbo as whiter than white, against the monsters from Qatar.
Nothing could be further from the truth, it's being deliberately ignored to to further posters' agendas.
You'd know that how?Like you care about the earth
Yeah Jimbo isn't perfect so let's give the wheel to people who want to execute gay people.
I thought you could only spend your own income or have I missed something regarding FFP.
What does that pic prove about him loving the club since ‘92? It’s this seasons kit!
Aye it was blowing my mind they felt that entitled not getting the kudos being on a message board like the rest of us and watching the games on tv.
I mean you go to Manchester, you be about the locals, you go to the bars around old Trafford, you go stand in the Stretford,.......you see what it means to the city and the people who live their, the club traces back over 100 years going thru generations.
Strange angle to be annoyed with the blood boiling at that reality
What does that pic prove about him loving the club since ‘92? It’s this seasons kit!
To post that and to call a journalist disingenuous
Presumably because you're making a big deal about the environmental impact of Ineos' business, which is a valid critique, but ignoring that the other bid is coming from a state where revenues from oil and gas amount to more than half of the state's GDP.
Not allowed to change my mind seeing who has made a bid so far?Alright lad, wasn’t that long ago you replied “well said” to this post
Don't like state owned clubs but, realistically, I would rather have that than be burdened with debt / hedge fund(s). If, when more details are forthcoming, Jimbo's bid looks better then I will support that. At the moment though, Qatar are, imo, far ahead.
GNev has a point though, change will only come from pressure by people, having however many United fans there are adds to the pressure, that's how things like LGBT rights happened in this country
Just think, one of the fathers of computing, the one who's research is the basis for our ability to post on this forum, a war hero, was connected to Manchester in a big way, committed suicide in the 1950's because he was gay - that;s something United fans could educate the Qatari's on
What does that pic prove about him loving the club since ‘92? It’s this seasons kit!
You not seen the one with him wearing a Clayton Blackmore shirt?
Anyone know what the betting odds on our new owners are?
I’m not sure anyone believes it isn’t linked to the state surely?
That is so pity holy shit. Really got him there didn't you!
Talking about this Nick nobody.One of my issues with JRs bid, the company INEOS. He can be voted off the board right? So what happens if the rest of the board no longer want to pay for his plaything? What happens then?
I wish people would stop saying “what am I not allowed to change my mind?”
no! You are obviously not allowed to take a moral stance and then abandon that stance when it benefits you.
Mother Theresa withheld painkillers to patients her whole career. She thought the pain was a message from God. She kept people in absolute agony.
When she was dying and in pain, suddenly she saw it fit to give herself pain relief. This isn’t her “changing her mind”, this is her loosening her moral stance for selfish reasons.
People here are constantly getting caught out saying a few months ago, “I would never want a regime linked to death and human rights abuse” and now saying “I can’t wait to sign Mbappe”. It’s not a change of mind, it’s an abandoning of your stance for a benefit to you.
At the end of the day it doesn’t matter which bid you favour as we don’t have a say anyway. It’s sad this is causing a fracture between the fans again just when it seems everyone is coming together after the past 10 years of tribalism amongst us regarding managers. Hope it doesn’t effect the end of the season.
All that's missing is that Sheikh Jassim was also a massive New Order fan and fell in love with United on a night out with Bez at the Hacienda.
The thread below via @Messier1994 sheds some light on your question. Some selling followed by buying and alittle bit of help from the owner via a sponsorship would go a long way. But we don't need to spend £400m.
What does that pic prove about him loving the club since ‘92? It’s this seasons kit!
To post that and to call a journalist disingenuous
The tweet at hand is implies he is not a united fan, but is opportunistic as mentioned in my previous post; there is no mention of maybe he is a united fan but somehow started to support the club recently. Furthermore, there is no reason to distrust the idea that he supported the club at 10 years old and the club was successful thereafter. Why is this implausible, because he is Qatari? Many man utd fans started supporting the club at that time, especially at that age. I just do not think this rhetoric would be spewed out if it was a 'British' person. It is kind of ironic as he has been educated in England too, and gives greater plausibility for him to start supporting man utd around that age.
Nope he can't, INEOS has 3 shareholders and he owns more than they other 2 combined, it's a private company not a public one
I had a conversation with someone earlier on who was claiming it was just a Qatari businessmen. They wanted proof and sources when I said that that was naive.
What do Ineos do?
When PR gets a little out of hand
Actually slightly concerning that we have no clue who is really pushing this bid, and who will make the decisions.
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