Club Sale | It’s done!

Status
Not open for further replies.
The thread below via @Messier1994 sheds some light on your question. Some selling followed by buying and alittle bit of help from the owner via a sponsorship would go a long way. But we don't need to spend £400m.




But presumably that amount could increase if we offload players right?
 
I havent seen any pics of Rat man in a united shirt yet, have you? :wenger:
 
If we started winning trophies again then maybe we're worth that much. Certainly not worth that at the moment with the way they've been running things. I think we might end up being stuck with the Glazer's or it drags on for longer than we all want.

The next weeks will be all about negotiation. Buyers want the best deal they can get, sellers want the best deal they can get. In this case, I would say the Glazers got some leverage. Big interest in buying United from multiple parties and they could get in a minor partner. That said, I think it’s fairly safe to say that we will see a full sale in the end. When all the potential buyers have fought it out, I think the price will be more than okay.
 
One of my issues with JRs bid, the company INEOS. He can be voted off the board right? So what happens if the rest of the board no longer want to pay for his plaything? What happens then?
Not unless he votes himself off the board. :lol:
He is more than 2/3 owner, there are 2 other guys who hold 19 pc each. That’s it. They are a Ltd not a PLC so there are no shares traded on Stock exchanges. INEOS is Jim Ratcliffe, and vice versa.
 
Aye it was blowing my mind they felt that entitled not getting the kudos being on a message board like the rest of us and watching the games on tv.


I mean you go to Manchester, you be about the locals, you go to the bars around old Trafford, you go stand in the Stretford,.......you see what it means to the city and the people who live their, the club traces back over 100 years going thru generations.

Strange angle to be annoyed with the blood boiling at that reality :lol:

I’m not interested in kudos , I’ve been to my fair share of games, I was at Brighton first game of the season and many others throughout the years am I a “match going fan”.

I live in London and have worked in Manchester many times.

I just think in 2023 there is still this little Britain attitude to the worldwide support of United and the 75k that go to United games week on week are somehow more entitled to decide or feel a certain way about the club.

I know at least 4 or 5 season ticket holders who live and work in London who often sell their ticket that they can’t go to are they “match going fans”.

It boils down to happening to live near by and being a United fan , what if they are thick as shit or only want big Jim cos Barry down the pub says he’s a Manc? Doesn’t matter , cos he’s local. Beggars belief.

There are many thousands of smart match going fans that don’t have that opinion and see how there is a much wider net of loyal fans that have just as important say on the club as they do.
 
What makes me want the Qatari bid more is how the traditional ABUs in the media are so against it, scared shitless of it happening.

Who specifically ? One of the articles I read was from MEN and another from the Guardian. Do you think both authors are taking their positions because they fear United would gain an advantage over their club (assuming their club isn't United) ?
 
If JR is a Utd fan and wishes he could watch more games and get use out of a season ticket, then why can he not even buy a home closer to Manchester to help him relax and watch the footy game in person?.

Clearly not a financial issue, so I wonder what the reason is?. And how does he intend to finance the deal?. What money is he going to put out, where will it be from and will he look to recoup it?. JR will ruin the club if he leverages the club to buy it from the Glazers even if it will be on better terms.

I need to see more information from JR/Ineos before I favour their deal.
 
They seem to be fooling a few round here.
Tbh with you there's no fooling anybody and most fans just want what's best for their football club. And whether that's right or wrong is a different matter, but as far as developing the football side of the club, the Qatar bid looks strong and they would genuinely compete with Man City and the other big clubs around Europe imo.

And what's being briefed about their intentions for the club is also completely believable imo. I fully expect Sheikh Jassim to invest heavily throughout the club. And the average football fan doesn't pay attention to who owns the club but rather what's happening on the pitch.
 
It’s pretty clear all of this(Include Radcliffe “progressive” shtick) is just PR bollocks.

Although no surprise to see a lot of fans falling for it.

Nobody "falls" for anything. I mean who the feck cares when exactly that guy that's mostly funded from the state anyway started to follow United. To actually write a piece on that is so pity it's unreal.
 
Who specifically ? One of the articles I read was from MEN and another from the Guardian. Do you think both authors are taking their positions because they fear United would gain an advantage over their club (assuming their club isn't United) ?
I’m referring more to twitter users and people like Brendan Rogers who’s just have an interview talking about it.
 
These ‘journalists’ are so disingenuous!



They are implying he isn’t a fan and is opportunistic. Why don’t they show a picture of him wearing a Man Utd top from last year when he attended the match?

Why don’t they mention how Ratcliff is a Man Utd fan yet has a season ticket to chelsea?

Their agenda is so transparent.

Pretty daming evidence. Top of the pile with the other list of stupid sentimental shit that has no bearing on what an ideal owner should be.
 
If JR is a Utd fan and wishes he could watch more games and get use out of a season ticket, then why can he not even buy a home closer to Manchester to help him relax and watch the footy game in person?.

Clearly not a financial issue, so I wonder what the reason is?. And how does he intend to finance the deal?. What money is he going to put out, where will it be from and will he look to recoup it?. JR will ruin the club if he leverages the club to buy it from the Glazers even if it will be on better terms.

I need to see more information from JR/Ineos before I favour their deal.
Nobody is leveraging anything.
 
I’m not interested in kudos , I’ve been to my fair share of games, I was at Brighton first game of the season and many others throughout the years am I a “match going fan”.

I live in London and have worked in Manchester many times.

I just think in 2023 there is still this little Britain attitude to the worldwide support of United and the 75k that go to United games week on week are somehow more entitled to decide or feel a certain way about the club.

I know at least 4 or 5 season ticket holders who live and work in London who often sell their ticket that they can’t go to are they “match going fans”.

It boils down to happening to live near by and being a United fan , what if they are thick as shit or only want big Jim cos Barry down the pub says he’s a Manc? Doesn’t matter , cos he’s local. Beggars belief.

There are many thousands of smart match going fans that don’t have that opinion and see how there is a much wider net of loyal fans that have just as important say on the club as they do.

Could Manchester United uproot to London tomorrow and be the same club?

no.
It’s literally called Manchester United, of course the local people are more important, it’s actually mental to think they’re not.
 
One of my issues with JRs bid, the company INEOS. He can be voted off the board right? So what happens if the rest of the board no longer want to pay for his plaything? What happens then?
This is what happens when the other two guys try to stop Sir Jim from doing what he wants

InsidiousCleanHawk-size_restricted.gif
 
While we’re on the subject of human rights and hypocrisy, as a current American citizen that spent part of his upbringing in England, shall we add up the lives lost in the Iraqi war? Hopefully we evacuated all LGBTQ out of the populated apartment building the U.S Air Force flattened. Fingers crossed!
Has Biden made a bid for United? Is it just breaking on Twitter?
 
GNev has a point though, change will only come from pressure by people, having however many United fans there are adds to the pressure, that's how things like LGBT rights happened in this country

Just think, one of the fathers of computing, the one who's research is the basis for our ability to post on this forum, a war hero, was connected to Manchester in a big way, committed suicide in the 1950's because he was gay - that;s something United fans could educate the Qatari's on
Ah, yes. Silly me. I can see it now. The lads from the Stretty give the Sheiks a lecture a half time on the tragic case of Alan Turing.
 
While we’re on the subject of human rights and hypocrisy, as a current American citizen that spent part of his upbringing in England, shall we add up the civilian lives lost in the Iraqi war? Hopefully we evacuated all LGBTQ out of the populated apartment building (most likely packed with women and children) the U.S Air Force flattened. Fingers crossed!
Forgive me for asking, but what’s that got to do with the sale of Manchester United?
 
While we’re on the subject of human rights and hypocrisy, as a current American citizen that spent part of his upbringing in England, shall we add up the civilian lives lost in the Iraqi war? Hopefully we evacuated all LGBTQ out of the populated apartment building (most likely packed with women and children) the U.S Air Force flattened. Fingers crossed!

When are Rishi Sunak and Tony Blair releasing their manifesto on their bid?
 
Tbh with you there's no fooling anybody and most fans just want what's best for their football club. And whether that's right or wrong is a different matter, but as far as developing the football side of the club, the Qatar bid looks strong and they would genuinely compete with Man City and the other big clubs around Europe imo.

And what's being briefed about their intentions for the club is also completely believable imo. I fully expect Sheikh Jassim to invest heavily throughout the club. And the average football fan doesn't pay attention to who owns the club but rather what's happening on the pitch.

There have been a few on here saying it was just a Qatari businessman. They're either naive or being disingenuous but they're around.
 
It’s pretty clear all of this(Include Radcliffe “progressive” shtick) is just PR bollocks.

Although no surprise to see a lot of fans falling for it.

Tbf, I think quite a lot of our fans strongly identify with someone over compensating for their geographical distance from Old Trafford by embellishing their almost romantic dedication to the club…
 
Ok that’s something at least, good to know
Because they are private, the data is very rare.
The latest is by the end of 2021. Their financial condition is very healthy. 60bil revenue, 2bil net income, with only 4.84 bil debt through many callable corp bond issuings which apparently are for tax purposes.
He can do whatever he wants. Wiki said his change of residence to Monaco will save him 4bil per year on tax. But again, his statement about bid is disappointing.
 
The tweet at hand is implies he is not a united fan, but is opportunistic as mentioned in my previous post; there is no mention of maybe he is a united fan but somehow started to support the club recently. Furthermore, there is no reason to distrust the idea that he supported the club at 10 years old and the club was successful thereafter. Why is this implausible, because he is Qatari? Many man utd fans started supporting the club at that time, especially at that age. I just do not think this rhetoric would be spewed out if it was a 'British' person. It is kind of ironic as he has been educated in England too, and gives greater plausibility for him to start supporting man utd around that age.
Artificial Intelligence is great, though, really
 
But presumably that amount could increase if we offload players right?

Tbf it did say including selling maguire, mctominay awb and someone else I can't remember for a total of 80m. I don't know how many more players we really could afford to sell, martial? Who would buy him?
 
There are seemingly some fans who are so insecure about being OOTs that they would actively rather like the idea of the club losing its connection to its Manchester/UK roots because it would make them feel better about it.

As a fan who also isn’t from Manchester, it seems absolutely bonkers to me…

It baffles me.

I’m foreign and I was born in the 90s; of course I support United. My reasons were obviously weak and probably pathetic, but then again, I was 6.

The Romanticism of supporting this club and its greatest moments are so deeply rooted to the city and its people; I genuinely cannot understand how some fans don’t care about that connection being lost.

I don’t think you’re a lesser fan if you’re not a match-goer. But if you don’t believe that the voices of the fans in OT should weigh more than yours, you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the club.

I had the privilege of having a season ticket for 8 years, but I live in London now. I never felt what I wanted should matter as much as what the folks who have been going for decades wanted, let alone now.
 
No way the value of the club will double, not even with SuperLeague money.
We're in need of a stadium and 200-300 mil in players, plus considering our debt.

Of course the Glazers will say they don't sell when everyone and their dog has put a bid in. They want the most they can get and they will get it.

Its doubled just in the past few days. Whose to say it can't do so again within the span of a few years.
 
Remember the good old days when everyone were friends in this thread and the only thing we argued over was if Q1 started in January, or in April like some nutcases believed?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.