Club Sale | It’s done!
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But you can still be regarded as a chancer when you’re only willing to make an offer you know damn well isn’t going to be accepted because of the market value and the competition that is bidding. A shit bid is as good as no bid.I don't think most fans thought Radcliffe would end up with the winning bid, because of (a) the asking price, and (b) the depth of competitors pockets; but, to describe someone who is willing to pay 4 billion - that's FOUR BILLION - as a "chancer", is ridiculous enough to be verging on the preposterous. From a financial investment perspective, it is probably actually worth around 4 - 4.5bn. Oh the temerity of the man to want to make sound business decisions.
Christ, this forum sometimes.
He was a chancer when he was trying to buy Chelsea. At this level who puts in a bid after the deadline, you would think he would have thought it through before thenI don't think most fans thought Radcliffe would end up with the winning bid, because of (a) the asking price, and (b) the depth of competitors pockets; but, to describe someone who is willing to pay 4 billion - that's FOUR BILLION - as a "chancer", is ridiculous enough to be verging on the preposterous. From a financial investment perspective, it is probably actually worth around 4 - 4.5bn. Oh the temerity of the man to want to make sound business decisions.
Do you really think bin salman is taking a personal hand in how Newcastle are run or anything to do with them? They cost 300m from a wealth fund with about 1000x that. Plus as we've seen with City, even with a decade of incredible success, the most famous manager in the world and playing a very attractive brand of football, they still aren't anywhere close to us as a brand. Assuming any private Saudis can buy us, they'll entirely shift focus from Newcastle to us, they want a world cup awarded in the next ten years and Newcastle won't even come close to our fanbase in that timeframe
Done dealio.
so, who will be putting the robe on fernandes next season when we lift the prem?
Must be counting loads of cash in the back room of UEFA offices.
I genuinely think we'll be scarily good if an oil state buys the club, psg and city have come from relative obscurity to dominate their respective leagues and reach the CL final and that's without the kind of pull we already have for players while being mediocre, and starting from a much higher point than either with loads more legitimate revenue
I wonder if they’ll sell them in the megastore.
Wasn't Saudi Telecom one of our longest running sponsors/partners?
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Seems to be the favourite. I think the Qataris wanting to rebuild the stadium , the training facilities and willing to regenerate the lands around Old Trafford might swing the deal. The National and Local Governments will be happy about the regeneration of the lands around the stadium.
That guy asks why United fans always have liked to think of their club as an exemplar, as somehow “more cherished and noble than any other”? Maybe the answer will come if we are bought by Qatar. Will the fans cheer on if we cheat the FFP rules, or request that things are done properly? The next time there are some incident with human rights, will the fans protest or let it slide?
Honestly, if it comes to Qatar buying this club, I am fairly certain that the club, we, are well equipped to handle that too. We are not Man City or PSG or Chelsea.
souless bowl that needs a drum?
You can thank Nasser Al-Khelaïfi for that. Ceferin owes Nasser a few IOUs.
Thats why I was saying earlier -- he's not a bad guy to have on your side at the moment. Chairman of the ECU, BEIN and on the UEFA committee. There will be a big fight coming up in the next few years between FIFA, UEFA, ESL proponents and the PL.
UEFA is only one hurdle anyway, they’d need to get past the FA and Whitehall.
It won't swing any deal. The Glazers don't give a damn about what plans a new buyer has for the stadium and surrounding area. As you might expect, they'll care about how much cash they get in their pockets from any bid and that's it.
Let's just get it over with. At this point I'll take anything as long as the Glazers sell and the new owners don't saddle us with more debt.
I don't see anything in that article which suggests the author has any new information. More that he's simply drawing upon his own logic from the precedent of RB Leipzig/Salzburg.
A major reason the Saudi Arabians want to be involved with football is so that they can brand themselves as reliable, successful business partners to Western entities. Do you really think that jettisoning Newcastle just over a year into what they've repeatedly insisted is a long term project to make Newcastle the biggest club in the world, simply because a shinier toy like ourselves came along, would serve their goal?
They won't jettison Newcastle but they'll certainly sideline them. Put it this way if an advertising company is doing business with some off brand soft drink, you don't think they'll immediately give them up to work with Coca-Cola? Let's be honest they have more than enough money to buy an entire first 11 and squad for both us and Newcastle without even slightly making a dent, so assuming they are allowed to own both through private investors or whatever, they won't stop investing in Newcastle, we'll just become the main focus, we already have massive revenue, sponsorship and a much bigger fanbase which as city have shown can't be built that easily
But don't forget, the Public Investment Fund is a government controlled entity. The public perception will therefore always be that Newcastle United are de facto owned by the Saudi Arabian government, with that government's competence directly reflected in Newcastle's success.
If a group of investors from the private sector of Saudi Arabia buys Manchester United then the equivalent link between government/club won't quite be so strong. Therefore, Newcastle United will always be the club through which the Saudi Arabian government's brand image lives or dies, not Manchester United.
On another note, the benefits for Qatar in purchasing Manchester United seem to far outweigh those that Saudi Arabia would experience, given Qatar don't yet have a footprint in the Premier League. Qatar's uptick in brand exposure would be far greater whilst they would also avoid the accusations of collusion that would be inevitably be levelled at Saudi Arabia were they to own two clubs within the same league. Therefore, if it comes down to it then I'd expect Qatar to outbid Saudi Arabia.
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Absolutely nobody possibly involved in bidding has anything to gain from making their interest public. On the contrary the information being public is likely to have a substantially negative impact on them, especially if it escalates a bidding war.
None of this information is coming from anyone who had any interest in bidding for us. Absolutely none of it.
None of this information is coming from anyone who had any interest in bidding for us. Absolutely none of it.
If the FA block the takeover it will just completely expose their anti-United bias after they shamelessly let the Saudis buy Newcastle.
yet you keep telling us SJR is only bidding to get his name in the press
The whole thing just feels like "that's also a middle east county where rich people live, Oman consortium set to bid for Manchester United after something vague and therefore conveniently not disprovable has somehow paved the way for an offer to be launched before this deadline that we hope you don't ask about the specifics of"
??? Ratcliffe says hi!
Oh do me a favour. If you still think Ratcliffe is serious about this I've got some magic beans to sell you.
"Hey everyone, look at me I'm about to bid" every week for about five months never started to look a bit suspicious to you?
so you disagree with your own post saying nobody has anything to gain?
No. Jim isn't involved. Nobody involved has anything to gain. Why would I be including someone I very obviously don't think is involved in the category of people that I think are involved?
Ratcliffe's involvement is either to benefit the Glazers or he's just doing it for his profile.
I see. So people who are only pretending to buy the club have something to gain, but people who really want it, don’t.
Ratcliffe was caught out claiming the owners didn't want to sell at a time the owners were very much moving towards wanting to sell.
It was an incredibly short window between the "Guys I wanted to buy you, but the Glazers simply aren't interested in selling" and the Glazers putting up the 'For Sale' sign. I still find it amazing that this alone - quite apart from anything else, didn't make Ratcliffe's whole involvement a bit of a joke.
Only a few days ago there was a story outliing how senior figures doubted whether Ratcliffe's interested is at all serious. Would they have that impression if just a few short months ago, as he claimed, he approached them with a genuine (yet apparently, rebutted) enquiry to buy the club?
Months of literally nothing but convincing fans through the media he's really interested with literally nothing to back it up. His name being mentioned at all now is an embarrassing testament to our ability to believe literally any old shit if we want it to be true.
Though i see slight backtracking. Latest leak he was not willing to go above $4bn? Of course, and that'll be reason why he doesn't buy us. Not that his whole interested has been entirely fictitious from the start. His after-deadline bid for Chelsea too. Because when you get together billions in finance to make a bid is definitely plausible you accidentally overlook the deadline.
Just stop with this fecking clown already
It was an incredibly short window between the "Guys I wanted to buy you, but the Glazers simply aren't interested in selling" and the Glazers putting up the 'For Sale' sign. I still find it amazing that this alone - quite apart from anything else, didn't make Ratcliffe's whole involvement a bit of a joke.
Only a few days ago there was a story outliing how senior figures doubted whether Ratcliffe's interested is at all serious. Would they have that impression if just a few short months ago, as he claimed, he approached them with a genuine (yet apparently, rebutted) enquiry to buy the club?
Months of literally nothing but convincing fans through the media he's really interested with literally nothing to back it up. His name being mentioned at all now is an embarrassing testament to our ability to believe literally any old shit if we want it to be true.
Though i see slight backtracking. Latest leak he was not willing to go above $4bn? Of course, and that'll be reason why he doesn't buy us. Not that his whole interested has been entirely fictitious from the start. His after-deadline bid for Chelsea too. Because when you get together billions in finance to make a bid is definitely plausible you accidentally overlook the deadline.
Just stop with this fecking clown already
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He gave a non answer in an interview, it’s meaningless. Or do you think he should have announced to the world they are selling when they clearly didn’t want that information out yet?
For the record Ratcliffe told the press he had been categorically told by the Glazers that the club wasn't for sale in October. In November the club had released a statement confirming they were considering a sale.
Even giving an extremely generous benefit of the doubt there, why wouldn't the club immediately seek to open discussions on this with the only person established as a confirmed person that had interest just a few short weeks before?
Still I'll stop. I'm sure Sir Jim will confirm his "interest" again in the coming days.
Even giving an extremely generous benefit of the doubt there, why wouldn't the club immediately seek to open discussions on this with the only person established as a confirmed person that had interest just a few short weeks before?
Still I'll stop. I'm sure Sir Jim will confirm his "interest" again in the coming days.
There are definitely reasons to leak a bid, especially if you want to get the fans onside.
He never said it wasn't for sale in October. This is just when he said in an interview he'd previously met with them (did not say when) and they said it wasn't for sale. He also said if it had been for sale last summer he would have bid.
United then only released a statement because the story was leaked by the press. They didn't choose to announce it.
And lastly the club aren't running the sale, Raine Group are. I am sure they were in contact as soon as the process started.
It's all irrelevant anyway, as there is no way they can outbid Qatar.
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