Club Sale | It’s done!
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If the Premier League allowed PIF, I can't see them rejecting Qatar...especially as UEFA have a prominent club from the same country.
Agreed. I want the Glazers gone.
I disagree with the suggestion that a club being owned by an oil state immediately becomes a plastic club. The problem with City isn’t that they are state-owned, or that the owner’s wealth comes from oil, or that they are geographically located in the Middle East.
The problem is that they cheated.
They could have come in, pumped money into the academy, grown the club organically with good decisions on and off the pitch. Sponsorships would have grown as the results improved, academy grads would eventually have come through and improved the first team, allowing them to spend more on the missing pieces of the puzzle allowing them to compete at the highest levels of the game.
The problem is that they weren’t prepared to wait 10-20 years for success. They wanted it immediately and that was impossible within the rules that they signed up to. So they decided to cheat.
United won’t become a plastic club as long as the owner clears the debt, invests in infrastructure and plays by the rules.
I am not saying the report is wrong as we are all well aware of the issues in Qatar but Amnesty International are a joke of an organisation to be honest.
Disheartening seeing all the fellow united fans wanting to sell their souls for a sports washing project.
I agree with the Bayern Munich fan. Jim Ratcliffe for me would be the best candidate.
The stadium isn’t even that important. Get things on the pitch sorted first and the rest will fall into place.
I agree with the Bayern Munich fan. Jim Ratcliffe for me would be the best candidate.
The stadium isn’t even that important. Get things on the pitch sorted first and the rest will fall into place.
Not bothered if it's Qataris or Ratcliffe,however him associating with JP Morgan makes me feel uneasy about his bid
It's embarrassing really that some would rather keep the Glazers as opposed to newer owners. Look at the state of the current team with injuries and consider that United who by the managers consent have aspirations to challenge have acquired players like Weghourst. If you accumulate how much money the Glazers have taken in dividends, imagine how useful those funds could have been being reinvested back into the winter markets over the last few years. Absolutely ridiculous.
The club has its identity set in stone. It is one of the biggest sporting institutions in the world. Having an owner from the ME changes nothing.
Some can't separate private Qatari investors from oil states that run City, PSG and now Newcastle
I understand your point but I do also find it amusing that non United fans are now taking an interest in the clubs ownership.
When the Glazers rolled in and took over the club United fans did their best to prevent it but literally no one cared. Since then rivals have enjoyed hoping for the demise of the club and have lapped up Glazer ownership and the debt they saddled us with.
You can’t really blame many United fans being curious as to why fans of other clubs now wish to register their concern when it looks like the club will be sold.
Indeed.
Club ownerships in general have never, I repeat never, been subject of any kind of discussion on this very forum. If anybody stumbles over mentions of FSG, Kroenke, Roman, Boehly, or the UAE, you're hallucinating.
Can we stop with this polarisation, it's really unhelpful and intellectually lazy.
There are many shades of viewpoints between 'oil me up' and 'I'll stop being a fan'.
I suspect most will be between those extremes.
Also, nobody is 'selling their soul' if they don't walk away, they are simply proposing to remain fans of their football club. It's not their fault that these deals may be made. For most of us football is a consolation, an obsession and a joy. If we choose not to make a stand about the unfairnesses of the world on this particular point then that's a reasonable choice.
Those that would glory in this sort of deal are a different matter. That's less defensible.
What can we, as fans, realistically do to stop this deal with Qatar?
Protest? Nothing else the fans can do.
The subreddit has basically become unreadable for anything regarding potential Qatari ownership. They’re all just so precious.
Uncle Jim is serious!
Glazers out but don’t want owners that would benefit the club massively. Cool.
Get a few supporters to douse themselves in petrol and light themselves up Infront of the holy trinity statues? Worked in the Vietnam war.
Absolutely nothing. Let’s embrace it.
The Emir just needs to find his cheque book. No advice or consultants required
Indeed.
Show us how opposition/Bayern fans have ever, I repeat ever, been as disgusted by Glazers regularly taking money out of United plus the interest we pay and the debt we have because of them, as they are now due to the potential Qatari take over.
United fans at least have been complaining and protesting against Glazers ownership for almost two decades now.
We want to get rid. That’s nothing new. But sure, keep ignoring all this.
Jim can feck off. I didn’t want him to begin with but I want him even less now he’s linking up with JP Morgan! The last buyers to get involved with them were a certain Glazer family who with the help of JP Morgan banker Ed Woodward took over this club by way of a leveraged buyout. The rest is history. I don’t want a repeat of that ever again.
Feel dirty, but I genuinely couldn't care less about Qatar buying us.
It's like Sophie's Choice if she had five kids and they were all cnuts.
Wrong. It changes everything. Overnight we would go from privately owned to state owned. There’s a massive difference between the two.
I agree with you. Soccer is a tonic for me, it’s relaxing. Opium for the masses really. And I can understand how it would be difficult to not follow.
Personally, I would much prefer Jim Ratcliffe with some fan involvement but we have little control over it, and he has his skeletons too.
The main thing is the Glazers feck off.
Hopefully the premier league will insure we get fit and proper ownership and fan groups keep lobbying for some involvement.
Were you this vocal when the Glazers took over United?
From memory no one else really cared other than United fans who protested, got laughed at and ignored..
Ratcliffe can barely afford to buy the club at the current price, let alone the renovation that has to follow, which we are in desperate need for. Furthermore, as other users said, I don't want to hear ANYTHING about JP Morgan or Goldman Sachs in regards to this club. It's a bad curse.
Would be privately owned. Still doesn’t change my point. Our identity is immovable.
So will Greenpeace come out with a statement if SJR buys us for all the pollution he causes and supporting fracking and the issues that causes.
Hello I’m QIA, Yes that will do. I come from ... Someplace far away
Well, I wasn't on this forum when that takeover happened, but this isn't the point here anyway. The point is that lots and lots of people here on this forum werent't shy to offer their opinions about the owners of other clubs, and you know that.
Jim would be dreadful, we need a ridiculous amount of investment off the pitch he wouldn’t even touch the sides.
If it can be proved that it’s Qatari private individuals and not state funded get them in, that’s the only way your staying up with the top English clubs now on and off the pitch.
Liverpool will dwindle into a mid table club without some serious investments in the next decade or so as they can’t compete with the financial power of the others.
If it can be proved that it’s Qatari private individuals and not state funded get them in, that’s the only way your staying up with the top English clubs now on and off the pitch.
Liverpool will dwindle into a mid table club without some serious investments in the next decade or so as they can’t compete with the financial power of the others.
I think people have fallen for his spin and misunderstood his interest. Ineos are a money-making organisation and in that sense they are no different from American organisations that might bid. All just wanting to make money out of us, and if one is British-owned it doesn't make a lot of difference for me if they're aim is take our cash.
He definitely can. He/ineos could definitely afford it, and it could also have a fan share scheme involved which would lower his stake.
As for the stadium, yes it would be nice, but it’s not vital. Winning things is more important in the short term than stadium renovation, and that is just part of the leverage fans are using to get the glazers out.
I agree that there is a bad history with jp Morgan, but the premier league has rules in place now to prevent leveraged buyouts and unfit ownership.
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and what?
To be fair you were here about 18 months ago when we were stopping games in protest of the Glazers?
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