Ironic that their Twitter username is ‘Red Realist’…
Perhaps ‘Mad Fantasist’ was already in use.
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Ironic that their Twitter username is ‘Red Realist’…
Perhaps ‘Mad Fantasist’ was already in use.
2026. Probably when we'll sell the club at this rate.
Clearly a Qatari shill account but still pretty amusing to see them advocating a boycott of united kits even though the united kit is a apparently a secret sign that Qatar are going to take over. Also, they don't seem to have clocked that that's last years kit.
I think he's just trying to make a point about there being other issues that get completely ignored.
I understand that Qatar is being spoken about as they have a direct relation to football, which is why a former footballer is talking about it - I don't think the other guy does.
Did the Italian prime-minister also expand on his country's colonial African plan as being part of the initial rise of fascism?
Two things the fallout of their colonial plans gave us were World War Two and Live Aid - not a bad thing on a country's resume.
1, the Prime Minister is a woman, not a man.
2, Unsure and don't care. I was just answering a question as to why someone else was bringing up France when the conversation was about Qatar.
So you brought up Italy.
Because the Italian Prime Minister's speech thing is the reason that guy was bringing up France.
Not hard to understand, go away.
Share price down. It's off. Again.
Ooooh, another newbie hardman Not only that, an agrammatical one too.
Shaking - it's just like the Stretford in the 70's.
Moody's downgrading the US banks' ratings could be one factor driving the broad market sell-off today....
I think that was just the fool on Twitter who did that not Adidas.
That re-booted ARE YOU BEING SERVED? was shite.
Gotta love how half the conversation is club sale, and the other half is currently colonialism in Africa
Yep agreed, seems that way. It's the usual, frosting whataboutery.
It's just a constant loop.
Poster 1 - Qatar government is bad
Poster 2 - What about [insert western government]?
Poster 1 - They are bad too
Poster 2 - So why are you complaining?
Poster 1 - Because they are bad
Poster 2 - They might be bad but what about [insert western government]?
..and so on.
fecking boring.
Was slightly more entertaining when Cantona was backhandedly accused of being an apologist for French Colonialism. The brief discussion on Columbian politics was interesting too.
Who is bidding for United again? Why care when there are other things occurring elsewhere? Just shut up.
And what's also funny is that if United fans started making banners protesting Western Governments, you'd get many of those same people saying: "don't care, stick to football" etc.
Stopped taking notice of that
There was actually some pretty decent discussion on the human rights question a while ago (likely a couple of hundred pages back now) - interesting posts about the practical implications of a takeover on human rights within Qatar, the value of so-called whataboutery, realpolitiks vs conceptual ethics etc..
It seems like all the previous actors have long since got bored and disengaged however.
Custis mooted a sale would go through in November. Did he explain the significance of (or reason for) that?
It's close enough to be reasonable but far enough away that he has plently of time to write 4/5 more stories of why it's off and on again before November rolls round and we are still on square one.
The son that received money from Narcos and used some of those funds for the presidential campaign. An supported by his father? What other option he had other than support it? Don’t make it sound like it was something remarcable Petro did.
Nicolas Petro has the proofs and he will deliver them this week to the national attorney’s office.
reducing taxes increase the acquisitive power of the population, and allows companies to hire more and offer lower prices on their products and services.
The ceasefire is good news (if ELN complies with it), but as you said it probably will go nowhere. Petro and his functionaries have been a constant show of improvisation and ineptitude. I don’t see a negotiating team of the caliber Santos had with FARC.
Qatar acquisition of United, can be a way on which the world will ask of them for more accountability on their HR abuses, and thus progressively reduce them.
This ignores the fact that the Glazers have no shame. They'd sell Glazers out banners if it'd make them money.
Again, you provide no particular evidence to your assertions. Conjecture, suggestion and innuendo.
Great. What happens next is the public services the lowest earners in society depend upon are exacerbated through privation and a cost of living crisis ensues.
This is most likely why Colombia has elected its first leftist leader.
This is naive.
Qatar are buying United to distract from their HR abuses. It is to cultivate their political edifice, not alter it. The world knows who and what it is. But sportswashing, as with UAE and KSA, has made Qatar brazen.
Also, Qatar is a dictatorship. Its executive could enable universal suffrage immediately, as you read. It is not going to, however, and for this reason:
They do not want to.
Congratulations to Colombia's women side getting through to the WC quarter-finals. Usme's goal was an absolute peach as was the debutant's assist. Superb supporters, too. Congratulations indeed.
Ultimately, the whole explanation is this.
People don't want state ownership of the club
The response is "but what about Western Governments?"
Western Governments aren't currently trying to buy Manchester United. Therefore discussion around how Western Governments are bad is largely irrelevant when discussing the takeover of Manchester United.
Conversation should end.
As I said, Nicolas Petro will provide the evidence this week in accordance with his agreement with the national attorney’s office.
I’m not saying noto subside the lowest earners in society. It can be done with a minimal taxation to the highest earners, subsiding the demand and not the offer. But here in Colombia governments generally use taxes to increase burocracy to pay favors.
Colombia elected this left wing government for two main reasons: the previous president, right wing Duque, was extremely inefficient, and thus general population thought a different winggovernment will be efficient, disregarding that Petro showedin his termite as mayor tu be just a inneficient (or more) than Duque. The second reason is that the other candidate, Rodolfo Hernandez, refused to campaign for the second round of elections (why? I don’t know mate, he thought he already won or something.).
BTW. Damper’s government in 1994 was also left wing, curiously he also was elected using narco’s money. Search proceso 8000.
Colombia always has been ha heavily statist country, with extremely high taxes to companies (the highest in the region alongside Brazil), and various tributes to the private citizen.
About the women’s NT. Thank you! This group is pretty talented (I think the most talented we have ever had) and I Hope they reach at least semis, they have the talent for that. Although with what they have already done, they have achieved the better results any female Colombian NT has done. Praise to them.
Thank you for the informed response. You have whet my whistle to read up more about Colombia's history.
It was not the best match earlier but Colombia definitely deserved to win it. Linda Caicedo is a supreme talent.
Congratulations.
They have valid points but completely miss the mark that, the reason Qatar are mentioned is because they're (at least currently) heavily involved in football and are potentially buying the club.
Never been a fan of the "but..but..but" brigade. It's pointless finger pointing and doesn't push the conversation on the actual topic at hand.
Moaning about my supposed grammar? It's the internet. I'm hardly writing a novel or a screenplay, eh chum?
You're a grown man in his mid 60's trying to start an argument on a fan forum, because I had the audacity to merely elaborate on why another user brought up France, in order to help another confused reader with the context.
What is so infuriating about that, which convinced you that being needlessly rude and trying to start a metaphorical shouting match was a good idea?
Please enlighten me.
Is your life really so pathetic that this is what you're doing with your free time?
You want to throw handbags with someone and have targetted me, I'm not biting. Get a life, or failing that, a hobby.
As previously stated, go away.
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I can always tell how much real news there's been by the amount of random political babbling in play. Judging by the last couple of pages, there must have been a drought.
Yeah news has dried up
Only 33 years more of this thread to go. It's not far off given the way things are progressing.
The mainframe that hosts the JassimGPT has overheated in the record summer temperatures Qatar is experiencing. Once conditions cool again in the autumn the system can be rebooted and he'll be back with another bid, just a fraction below what Brexit Jim has offered.
Not long now.
Not long now.
Really must now be the calm before the storm…..it’s gone so quiet that some form of announcement will be coming soon enough…..maybe after transfer window ends so that all planned purchases and sales can take place without hysteria?
I highly doubt this. Due diligence requires financial data. A large company would require a few accounting/finance staff. The CFO is putting together the package, but others are marshaling the data. At the very least, director/VP level know what’s going on.
I will say that there have been so many leaks over the years since SAF and Gill left, surprising there’s very little info to go on. Used to be the tea lady would fart and it’d be in the papers
Look I haven't completed many multi-billion deals in my life but I am still weirded out by how long-winded this charade is.
I seem to remember the recent Microsoft acquisition of Zenimax and Activision being suddenly announced in the papers as one and done [pending much regulatory red tape and antitrust review before the final greenlight]. Both no doubt as, if not much more, complex to set up as this transaction. I'm sure it involved a massive level of negotiations that lasted for months behind close doors beforehand, of course.
Even the particularly tragicomic saga of Mr.Musk fumbling his way into buying Twitter didn't last much more than a few months despite being a stupid tango His Galaxy Brain Eminence tried to not comply to at every step.
I understand those massive deals are not all alike but it feels so bizarre things have been stuck in neutral for so long now. The club being put up for sale was made public with no ambiguity 9 months ago but since the latest bids were sent everything froze despite the number of key decision makers with real input being fairly small and limited.
Even if the final decision was postponed to a latter date, you'd expect some communication about it ?
I seem to remember the recent Microsoft acquisition of Zenimax and Activision being suddenly announced in the papers as one and done [pending much regulatory red tape and antitrust review before the final greenlight]. Both no doubt as, if not much more, complex to set up as this transaction. I'm sure it involved a massive level of negotiations that lasted for months behind close doors beforehand, of course.
Even the particularly tragicomic saga of Mr.Musk fumbling his way into buying Twitter didn't last much more than a few months despite being a stupid tango His Galaxy Brain Eminence tried to not comply to at every step.
I understand those massive deals are not all alike but it feels so bizarre things have been stuck in neutral for so long now. The club being put up for sale was made public with no ambiguity 9 months ago but since the latest bids were sent everything froze despite the number of key decision makers with real input being fairly small and limited.
Even if the final decision was postponed to a latter date, you'd expect some communication about it ?
One word - Glazers.
It’s that simple. You’re talking about a family of completely out of touch, now borderline geriatric, Floridian nepo baby simpletons who it’s widely reported have to be constantly humoured and eased into each decision they make.
And this is the biggest ‘decision’ they’ve ever made (or come close to making, as is actually the case).
Remember - the current Glazers have simply inherited Utd, they aren’t business people who acquired it.
Famously, they aren’t equipped with the skill set to run a big club, but equally, they’re not even equipped with the skill set to sell a big club.
The bidders they’re dealing with are big boys - multi billionaires, the Glazers, it must be remembered, are not this in comparison. They are nothing compared to the wealth of 92 Foundation or Ratcliffe.
They’re long proven out of their depth competing for the PL - famously appointing an accountant to oversee a football club in direct competition with the genius of Txiki at City… and they’re now being shown to also be out of their depth at either securing investment, or selling the asset they were gifted.
They are a prime example of privilege over competence - indeed, nepotism and cronyism is something that has consistently trickled from the top down through Utd during their reign at this once great club.
They are an anomaly in the modern business World - a collective of inept decision makers with no vision or discernible talent.
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The only money the Glazers spent was what they used to grease the palms of the F A to approve the Leveraged Buyout.
This method has since been disallowed.
(I mean the Leveraged Buyout)
The FA will still take your money.
This method has since been disallowed.
(I mean the Leveraged Buyout)
The FA will still take your money.
they put about 250m of their own money in when they bought the club
And such a percentage of LBO is still allowed
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