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A lot of 'planes maybe, but in my experience they are doing bugger all when I get there :). I have flown 9 times from Ringway in my life, and each one has been late. I have flown many, many times from Stanstead and never, ever departed late. I put this disparity down to the Glazers.

Nothing fascinating added to the conversation; just an observation.
Waiting to board. My plane is delayed.
 
A lot of 'planes maybe, but in my experience they are doing bugger all when I get there :). I have flown 9 times from Ringway in my life, and each one has been late. I have flown many, many times from Stanstead and never, ever departed late. I put this disparity down to the Glazers.

Nothing fascinating added to the conversation; just an observation.
Another interesting observation is that both airports are owned and run by the same company
 
Made what up? I must of missed Ratcliffe saying he was no longer keeping the glazers on and clearing the debt. Also any promises on the ground and facilities. These are the reasons people don’t want him. I don’t understand why his fans don’t see for a large number of fans the glazers staying on in any capacity is a red line that they won’t meekly accept. Jim being the top red that he is would have known that when he took off his slippers and jumped, or was hoisted, into bed with them.

I'm sure you'll have no difficulty finding quotes saying he will be keeping the Glazers not paying and that he intends to do nothing about the facilities?

Just because it has been reported by shall we say, unreliable sources or in some cases, sources that should be completely ignored, doesn't make it so.

We discuss these reports not because they are the gospel truth but because it's all we have. It's mostly hypothetical.

So about those quotes...
 
I'm sure you'll have no difficulty finding quotes saying he will be keeping the Glazers not paying and that he intends to do nothing about the facilities?

Just because it has been reported by shall we say, unreliable sources or in some cases, sources that should be completely ignored, doesn't make it so.

We discuss these reports not because they are the gospel truth but because it's all we have. It's mostly hypothetical.

So about those quotes...
If he doesn’t keep the Glazers in any capacity, clears the club debt and gets on with the plans for old Trafford and other facilities from day one then I will welcome him with open arms. Plans for the stadium can’t be a lick of paint and a few extra seats though.
 
Ratcliffe comes across as the nearly man. He nearly bought Barca, he nearly bought Chelsea and in the future when hes down the pub with his mates tallking football he can regale them with how he nearly bought Utd.
 
Why would anyone support a bid to be state owned? People have different opinions and priorities. There's so much misinformation out there anyway. Mostly anti-Ratclife. He already said the debt would be moved to INEOS so not on the clubs books any more but everyone conveniently ignores this to parrot some lie about loading the club with more debt.
The vitriol towards Ratcliffe is simple. By propping up Ratcliffe as a boogeyman, those wanting United to be state-owned, to have a cheat code in the transfer market, don't have to admit it openly. They can hide behind the ad hominem attacks and false narratives of a convenient scapegoat. Look no further than the idea that Ratcliffe, with significantly more wealth, would be the same as the Glazers. It doesn't even pass the laugh test and shouldn't be taken seriously.
 
The vitriol towards Ratcliffe is simple. By propping up Ratcliffe as a boogeyman, those wanting United to be state-owned, to have a cheat code in the transfer market, don't have to admit it openly. They can hide behind the ad hominem attacks and false narratives of a convenient scapegoat. Look no further than the idea that Ratcliffe, with significantly more wealth, would be the same as the Glazers. It doesn't even pass the laugh test and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Why is he using debt if he’s that rich? Why is he not buying th glazers out but offering them a way to stay on?
 
Why is he using debt if he’s that rich? Why is he not buying th glazers out but offering them a way to stay on?

Typically interest paid on debt provides a tax benefit. Using INEOS to purchase United with financing should therefore have a positive impact for the company and its three shareholders.
 
Why is he using debt if he’s that rich? Why is he not buying th glazers out but offering them a way to stay on?
Is this a serious question? Do you think any prospective bidder would just put up 6B in cash?

Every single prospective buyer will use debt to finance the deal, the only question is who is responsible and how expensive is it to finance that debt.
 
The vitriol towards Ratcliffe is simple. By propping up Ratcliffe as a boogeyman, those wanting United to be state-owned, to have a cheat code in the transfer market, don't have to admit it openly. They can hide behind the ad hominem attacks and false narratives of a convenient scapegoat. Look no further than the idea that Ratcliffe, with significantly more wealth, would be the same as the Glazers. It doesn't even pass the laugh test and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Or, alternatively, you're talking absolute bollocks and Jim Ratcliffe will run us into the ground Brexit-style, so he can have some fun in his billionaire retirement adventure and you're too high up in your ivory tower to see it.
 
Or, alternatively, you're talking absolute bollocks and Jim Ratcliffe will run us into the ground Brexit-style, so he can have some fun in his billionaire retirement adventure and you're too high up in your ivory tower to see it.
And alternatively the same could be said about you - in reality no one knows WTF is going on and who's doing this or that or the other except the actual people involved
 
Or, alternatively, you're talking absolute bollocks and Jim Ratcliffe will run us into the ground Brexit-style, so he can have some fun in his billionaire retirement adventure and you're too high up in your ivory tower to see it.
Thank you for that perfect illustration of my point.
 
Is this a serious question? Do you think any prospective bidder would just put up 6B in cash?

Every single prospective buyer will use debt to finance the deal, the only question is who is responsible and how expensive is it to finance that debt.
We’re literally comparing them to the Qataris who are buying it outright and clearing all debt.
 
Or, alternatively, you're talking absolute bollocks and Jim Ratcliffe will run us into the ground Brexit-style, so he can have some fun in his billionaire retirement adventure and you're too high up in your ivory tower to see it.
Oh so NOW becoming a billionaire's toy is a bad thing :lol:
 
We’re literally comparing them to the Qataris who are buying it outright and clearing all debt.

If that's the case, then they won't be buying us.

They'll have to at least try and show it doesn't come from the State so will probably show it as coming from the Qatari banking system or something.
 
And alternatively the same could be said about you - in reality no one knows WTF is going on and who's doing this or that or the other except the actual people involved
Peak no one knows anything and they're all the same rhetoric.

You just missed the classic 'I'd trust Ornstein over Reuters and Bloomberg' to complete the set.
 
Peak no one knows anything and they're all the same rhetoric.

You just missed the classic 'I'd trust Ornstein over Reuters and Bloomberg' to complete the set.
I did miss that classic, TBH I only look at the takeover thread now and then for a laugh at all the bollocks aid in there!
 
This is gaslighting of the highest order.

Any United fan that is happy to have the Glazers stay needs to have themselves examined for severe case of hypocrisy.

Staying involved absolutely. But I couldn't care less if they held some pointless shares. Any money going to them beyond removing them from control is coming out of funds we could spend elsewhere, given that's why we all want them removed its a bit odd some don't see that.
 
So we’re officially in baby boomer years now…could this be a sign that SJR will win the race on page 1946?
 
I hear he sacrifices babies and plans to sell OT for scrap. Seriously some of you have worked yourself up into such a fuss.

There's zero justification for your statements beyond the emotional reaction to potentially not getting your way.

Glazer control being removed and an owner not leaching the club via dividends is a massive improvement. We might not have unlimited funds but the club will be fine supporting itself.
From the bloke who wants people who support the Qatar bid to burn in hell.
Can't make this shit up.
 
The vitriol towards Ratcliffe is simple. By propping up Ratcliffe as a boogeyman, those wanting United to be state-owned, to have a cheat code in the transfer market, don't have to admit it openly. They can hide behind the ad hominem attacks and false narratives of a convenient scapegoat. Look no further than the idea that Ratcliffe, with significantly more wealth, would be the same as the Glazers. It doesn't even pass the laugh test and shouldn't be taken seriously.
What absolute rubbish. We don’t want the leeches in any capacity. I really don’t understand what’s so difficult to understand in that simple sentence.
 
What absolute rubbish. We don’t want the leeches in any capacity. I really don’t understand what’s so difficult to understand in that simple sentence.
What do the leeches have to do with Bristol City?
 
What do the leeches have to do with Bristol City?
Bristol City is my local team that my dad took me to as a kid and I have it on my profile in his honour. Why what has that got to do with anything I have said?
 
What absolute rubbish. We don’t want the leeches in any capacity. I really don’t understand what’s so difficult to understand in that simple sentence.
That's a vague sentence, and if it's what I'm assuming it means, I don't buy it. If Qatar offered to wipe the debt and invest billions in infrastructure and transfers but said the Glazers would retain a small, non-voting, minority stake would you be against the bid? No need to wriggle around to answer than one.
 
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