I think so yeah.
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I think so yeah.
Or, perhaps they genuinely don't want to sell. Have we got to this point and you still aren't willing to consider that option? They have a genuine bid on the table for months for them to sell up and get even richer, yet they still haven't accepted it. Still keeping Jassim in the dark too, according to some reporters. So why are you not willing to consider that Ratcliffe is telling the truth when he says the didn't want to sell and that is why he would be making a bid for majority share at this stage? Sometimes the obvious answer is the correct one.
What are you on about? If you read the posts after (unless you're just ignoring them to try to be funny?) then you will see that wasn't the point. If you just completely missed the point, I was being facetious because pro-Qatar posters call bullshit when anybody claims anything about Jassim.
That poster pretended to be a passionate environmental activist a few months ago. I guess he forgot the act, when he really just hates Ratcliffe for some reason.
some posters are genuinely tying themselves in knots over this. This is by far the most mental thread I've ever seen on RedCafe, and I witnessed the De Jong thread!Every report that claims they are staying has been clear that there is a planned exit down the line not just stick around and hope to sell big so clearly it isn't they don't want to sell.
Ineos is private but has investors they need to report on. Not sure Qatar has investors.
Sure, but if the Glazers did not want to sell then why not withdraw?
Why not then engage with Sir Jim privately.
The problem for the Glazers is that they have made the sale/equity investigation a company (United) strategy. Therefore the board must be consulted on a final option or to withdraw.
If they withdraw now the A class shareholders will hammer them for turning away the best option for all shareholders, therefore the Glazer's are in a bind.
More likely the Glazers want to sell and withdrawal will just delay the inevitable.
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If they wanted to go with sir Jimmy why did they ask the PSG chairmen to help them negotiate a 5th bid from Qatar, not buying it they are greedy beyond greed itself, they simply want someone to pay them £6bn or more now for their shares and controlling stakes not £5.2/5.4bn currently on the table, SIr Jimmy current bid is to keep them in sone form of a ‘three’s company crowd’ and he as owner will be more of the same, that might not be as bad as all pro Qatar fans think, however all 6 Glazers since they are the custodians of the club have a duty of care to the other shareholders and some of these share holders have probably bought shares in Tampa Buccaneers so they have to consider that as well.
Sir Jimmy boy is still the stalking horse and they are just trying to make him media worthy again, he needs another £2bn more to buy out 4 glazers and the minority share holders so we could see Jimmy maybe own 80% and Joel and Avram own 20% that’s the best offer that would fly, he can still keep it on NYSE and he doesn’t have to clear the debt or invest if he doesn’t want to?
Yeah that seem to be the best option for Ratcliffe. This isn't ending soon though.
No your 100% right and they are simply trying to squeeze another £500m out of the Qatari bid!
The mistake SJ made and 92 Foundation made was making it public knowledge that there was another $1 billion available for investment. Simply put The Glazers want that as well, they couldn’t care less about future investment for United!
Ineos has 3 investors. So if it's Ineos buying us, who are these investors reporting to?
https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.u...-listed-shares-helping-qatar-bid-1020098.html
Quite a nice summary except being London based he does not delve into the mechanics of the NYSE which would have been helpful.
Quite a nice summary except being London based he does not delve into the mechanics of the NYSE which would have been helpful.
They are usually worse.
Haven't seen any anti Jim talking about eternal damnation, high morals ect. That kind of self-righteousness is way worse.
SJ is a Director for Nine Two UK Holdings Ltd, and not "Nine Two UK Investments Limited".
WUM alert.
Like everyone can see how badly the glazers have handled everything apart from the initial buyout. Why the feck would anyone support a bid that loads more debt onto us and keeps them owning 20% of the club. They are by far the biggest disaster in the modern history of the club and they will continue to dig in their heels and hold us back and dither and let standards slide so long as there is still a dollar to be squeezed from the asset. Total and utter Cnuts.
Yeah looks like it mate
Some seemingly do want to sell, two apparently don't. Don't forget the Glazers aren't a single entity and can probably legally each do as they wish with their shares.
According to Ratcliffe, they are speaking to him in private. It is possible that they intend for the four to sell their shares to him and for J&A to remain. Where this would leave the Class A shareholders is anybody's guess, or certainly somebody more knowledgeable than me. But, as others are suggesting, the hold up could be them working all of those details out.
They can. J&A just say we don't want to sell out shares.
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Just thinking out aloud, but I would say the class A shareholder could say:
1. The company enters into a stategic plan to seek out sale/investments options.
2. That is now public and people/investors see this and on that info make decisions on whether to buy and sell shares
3. The company can't quitely forget about 2 above and withdraw or allow other board members to sell their holding - the sale of some shares being a directly linked to 2 above, without the company deciding
4. Then if the company decide it must go to the board
5. We know that the board are being threaten by the big class A investors and would need to fully explain their decision and how it benefits all shareholders?
Just thinking out aloud, but I would say the class A shareholder could say:
1. The company enters into a stategic plan to seek out sale/investments options.
2. That is now public and people/investors see this and on that info make decisions on whether to buy and sell shares
3. The company can't quitely forget about 2 above and withdraw or allow other board members to sell their holding - the sale of some shares being a directly linked to 2 above, without the company deciding
4. Then if the company decide it must go to the board
5. We know that the board are being threaten by the big class A investors and would need to fully explain their decision and how it benefits all shareholders?
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Yeah same here
No CAP bro. Same 4 me forsho bro. No RATS or 3l53 bro.
Glazer`s holding out while Rat and INEOS borrow more money to buy the club and not clearing debt or spend money on fixing Old Trafford or Carrington.
Glazer`s 2.0 basicly OH JOY!
Why would anyone support a bid to be state owned? People have different opinions and priorities. There's so much misinformation out there anyway. Mostly anti-Ratclife. He already said the debt would be moved to INEOS so not on the clubs books any more but everyone conveniently ignores this to parrot some lie about loading the club with more debt.
New debt, nothing about the huge old debt.
To preface, I have no preference on buyer and assume both would be shit in their own way.
I completely understand why debt is a dirty word around these parts. But the debt didn't need to destroy us as much as it did, that was down to the Glazers being incompetent. If managed by people who know what they're doing and who have United's interests at heart, the debt shouldn't hamper us as much as it has.
There's also healthy debt and then there is Glazer debt
What’s stopping him from moving it back onto the club? Both his companies. He’s done a shite job in France and wants to keep the glazers on as a way to cheapen the deal. He’s another rat.
If (or when, imo) that happens I will be very disappointed, but will hope that I’m proven wrong and hope for the best for Utd as a club.
I hope you guys will do the same.
I’d also suggest accepting that this is the most likely outcome abd not getting our hopes up any further for a Glazer-free Utd.
What do you mean, bogus? I, for one, have always loved VisitQatar.com
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Do you actually believe this?
Anything that lets any of the the glazers stay on and control our future is toxic to put it mildly. Their priorities are there for all to see. They don’t give a toss about the club, the community or the fans.
I would never accept it. There wouldn’t be much I could do but I would NEVER accept such wealthy people putting so much debt onto our club and holding us back. To me Jim is the 7th Glazer. Jassim is a fresh start, a new era and the brightest future. I’ll shut up now as I’ll probably be disagreed with and shot down.
Now we're on to D-Day 
Okay. You're entitled to that opinion, of course.
But they won't be in charge, or even have a say once they are no longer majority shareholders. And I VERY much doubt SJR wants them to stay on. That's a ridiculous statement. As for calling the guy a rat, that seems largely based on your false assertions about him. I get that you may have picked a side in this, but we really don't know what's going on behind the scenes(at all... nothing concrete from either side...NOTHING), so maybe chill out on the rhetoric?
edit: whose idea was that stupid autocorrect?
I completely agree to be honest. Ratcliffe will just be a continuation of the Glazers and quite possibly be even worse. I’d really fear for us if he takes over, I think we’d end up in terminal decline.
Are you 12?
On the timeline. On the night of March 30/31, 1944, RAF Bomber Command launched a raid on Nuremberg. It was a bright, moonlit night and the bomber stream was picked up over the Belgian coast and was attacked all the way to the target. Officially, 96 bombers were lost. Rumours spread that the target had been leaked and in the 1970s, in a book called 'Bodyguard of Lies' the author interviewed a high-ranking wartime intelligence officer who stated that a raid target had been leaked through a highly-placed Allied agent so that future information from this source about D-Day would be given weight by the Germans. Conspiracy theory? Well another author managed to get his hands on the original raid plot. On it was written 'They knew we were coming. Careless talk costs lives.' More British airman died during that raid than during the whole Battle of Britain. My dad piloted a pathfinder Lancaster to Nuremberg and back that night so I thank my lucky stars he came through unscathed.
Yep, this. It's like supporting a hobbled horse.
You still want and hope it'd win the race but you know it's unlikely, so there's only ever so much you can feel excited about it participating in any competition.
Nothing he just needs to raise the same valuation or more that was offered by SJ which is 50 million shares at $38 which is $1.9billion and they would expect payment within a 3-4 month time frame if he does this then he owns 80% of the club and Joel and Avram get what they want, but the bonds and loans he’s agreed are potentially about to have a rate increase which means it’s going to put an awful lot of pressure on INEOS?
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