Sounds like a lot of fun tbh.
Club Sale | It’s done!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) look forward to a new life under Ruben Amorim. What system will we be playing? What players will impress? and how will it all go? We also say goodbye to Ruud Van Nistelrooy and review United's 3-0 win at home against Leicester City.
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Sounds like a lot of fun tbh.
I get his plan I'm not saying he ought to go toe toe with Jassim but buying the class shares and allowing the Glazers a minority stake...seems to be the best way out if he's desperate enough to buy United.
But he gets the club!
Because he offered more to the Glazers at a huge premium since he had no interest in class A shares nor buying out two Glazers. Now he’s valued the entire club at that inflated price and fecked himself
I find it odd how so many United fans would want our financials hidden away given the interest we have all had in them for many years.
As well as the reactions we get to any time City announce their finances it doesn't really add up (much like like Citys accounts).
It's also definitely the case, probably.
You must be the only one who doesn't know he lives in Monaco.
He’s just pretending to be naive
You poor innocent child.
He has enough asset to use as collateral if needed. And he's using a company, Ineos. I don't think money per se is an issue here. It's just that he's a business man and thinks rationally before making a move.
This could go on forever.
The decision is not now, simply, in the Glazer's hands. The sale/equity consultation is a company (United) consideration.
If the Glazers say we will go with Sir Jim and Sir Jim has an acceptable premium for the Class A shareholders then all Jassim needs to do is canvas the Class A shareholders and offer more to that group who then raise the new offer to the baord.
The board are then compelled to consider the best interest of all shareholders (not just the largest) and we start again.
Especially the poster you quoted.
A prospect that will have m'learned friends sharpening their quills already.
1942 on the timeline. Will the war be over before the sale?
Isn't Ineos completely private. You think they are fudging their accounts?
Edit: also it's not like we were always a PLC. It's funny how some on here are intrigued by a football club being a privately owned entity when that is the norm rather than an exception.
Having watched the numerous pile ons by those favouring Qatar on any poster who posts something they take particular offence to or misunderstand I think myself and others are actually very polite in general.
But I'll start using my P's and Q's going forward if that helps.
Some inter galactic wars will be over by the time
We'll definitely get to the fall of the Berlin Wall
Agree. This tweet is probably the single most revealing post since November…
We now KNOW that the Glazers want to go with Ratcliffe, and they want it to the point of this guy posting this message.
I think it’s pretty clear at this point that the hold up, ETH’s most important window and essentially the future of the club is all down to the Glazers and Ratcliffe trying to get a dodgy, complicated, messy deal through the cracks.
A deal that allows the two spoiled leeches to have their cake and eat it and for Ratcliffe to ‘have a football club to talk to his mates about at the pub’ or whatever garbage he came out with.
Before they’ve even got the deal through fans and the manager of Utd are suffering because of it. But that’s ok, Utd can suffer because these ‘important old men’ need to get what they want.
3 crooks.
They well could be.
As United fans we've sort of got used to being able to see whether or not the club is being shafted so it's just odd in my opinion.
Hopefully bring an end to Red Football
I think it's more a case of putting the two bidders up against each other so that they get the most money possible out of it. I honestly don't think they care about who ends up buying the club, or has a preferred bid. This might hit the 7bn mark by the time we are done, and eventually get sold to the Qataris.
Some of the Glazers.
Thanks for the explanation and it serves the greedy feckers right if it's Cayman Island Law that eventually forces their hand.
United sale... the war years
Should be the thread title until 1946
Should be the thread title until 1946
I have not seen people saying they prefer Jassim's bid because he wants to take the club private. It's more a case of him completely kicking the Glazers out from day 1 that is the biggest draw.
What's more odd is that pro-Jim posters are now comfortable with the Glazers continuing in some capacity while earlier it was always "Glazers out" and not "keep them with limited power".
Not said they prefer it, just that it's a consequence of it.
To answer your concerns, it's more about being against State ownership than anything else. Personally I hope one day, whatever the consequences for United of the Qataris unfortunately take over, or any other club with State owners, that the footballing authorities grow a backbone and remove them from the game. Or, as is probably more likely (though still unlikely), governments get involved and enforce it.
State ownership is the enemy above all else in football right now.
Oh yeah - though I can imagine it's going to be quite hard to win that one for the Class A shareholders. It's more about the threat
It's probably a lot easier to do dodgy stuff like get a bogus inflated sponsorship deal with the hidden owner's corrupt business partner to get round financial fair play. Not mentioning any names....
What’s the story behind this mate?
If Jim comes in confirming that he will kick Glazers out immediately, remove all our debt, ensure not putting debt on us because of this takeover, help us with stadium/training ground renovations, and put in a proper football structure (not putting his brother in charge or some cycling guy), then a lot of people would be totally be on board with him owning us.
However, he is not promising any of that and the only other option right now is Qatar. So people are opting for the less shitty option (there aren't any good ones around either).
I think there's more to it than that. J&A see that if they hold their shares as a minority holding with a solid right to sell later while someone else makes the investment then the shares will massively increase in value. It's a good ploy in theory if they aren't in a rush or up to their eyes in personal debt. From INEOS point of view they are leveraging the purchase with future money, loans and Class A shareholder losses. It's flakey as fek. In the end I think Qatar will get the club but it's by no means certain.
Plenty of public companies go from public to private, in fact plenty of founders opt to take their companies off the stock market.
This is especially useful for a football club in such a competitive environment where we need quick and decisive action to get the best players and not waiting on some Florida moron to finish his lunchtime cocktail, just so he can ask a dumb question about the price when others like Liverpool conclude their business in double-quick time.
If you want to enact change, private ownership makes sense and you trying to spin all the reasons as dodgy sponsorship (although certainly a possibility) is completely disingenuous.
So who’s Muhammod Dillon?
Yeah, the irony is not lost on me.
It's a very negative take. I want to belie that Joel & Avram want to stay and rest of the siblings want full sale.
I have nothing against Sir Jim. I admire his wit in the attempt to beat Qatar. I feel full ownership (whoever is the owner) will be much better for United.
Arsenal are something of an anomaly amongst Kroenke’s sports teams:
LA Rams - 2022 Super Bowl champions
Colorado Avalanche - 2022 Stanley Cup champions
Denver Nuggets - 2023 NBA Champions
Granted their MLS team are a bit shit, the Rapids last won in 2010.
Hopefully Arsenal don’t follow the trend of recent success there.
Ah yes, because they are the same.
No idea honestly. Just saw it posted online. Seems a bit weird.
Probably someone on a WUM
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