Club Sale | It’s done!

[sglowrider]

I also loved McQueen although Robbo was probably my favorite from that era.

Supporting United feels pretty hollow already and the megabucks corporate nature of the whole football thing doesn't help. 100 million quid or more for any good player just seems madness but maybe that just makes me an old bloke shouting at clouds.

It probably doesn't help that my son plays pro water polo, a sport where there is very little money. He plays in Greece (probably the strongest league in the world) at clubs just below the very best but not far off (5th this year and qualified for Europe). He will only play 1 or maybe 2 more seasons before retiring at 25/26, as he doesn't want to start trying to earn a proper living in his 30s.

I know where you are coming from. I have just been able to put the whole thing in a 'pocket' in my life nowadays. I am not allowing it to 'define' my life as much as it used to be -- a better balance in some ways or more jaded in life.

Must be so proud to have a son playing a sport or any at the highest level. Best of luck to him.

 

[stw2022]

I’d feck a camel live on tv for that.

For the last time; those aren't tits

 

[Wumminator]

The really odd thing about such a heated debate is that it isn't two clashing ideologies but it seems to be a group of people with concerns and another group just shutting down the concerns.

It's isn't a row between people who think the treatment of migrant workers is abhorrent and another group defending forced labour and non payment. It's one group with concerns and another group shutting down the conversations with mitigation, accusations of racism, platitudes and whataboutery.

It's the language and cant of politics in a public forum. It's very depressing.

It’s because ultimately, no matter what, you can’t defend this.

 

[greenoffpearson]

Gonna need examples for this. The flaw in your explanation here is that Reuters claims this as an exclusive.

You would think at this stage, nearing the end of the selection stage, that both SJR and SJ would not want to reveal their hand.

Obviously Raine can just relay the actual position to either bidder, but with the perception that Raine aren't acting in good faith, if the Reuters leak came from them, then you would as a bidder not want a public auction which would only lead to the price rising.

I would think the Times and Keegan will get scoops once a successful candidate has been selected and in the meantime Reuters are acting as the Glazers bid extraction tool.

Big rumours in the business pages that Musk is sniffing around and mulling about a $8Billion bid, a new Tesla HQ Europe at OT with a new 90,000 seater stadium OT named The Tesla Stadium complete with showrooms.

If true, via Raine?

For Plant and Berbz

Guess who just got back today?
Them thread banned boys that had been away
Nothin’s changed, or so The Times may say
But man, I still think them cats are crazy

They were askin' if Jassim’s around
How he was, where he could be found
I told 'em he was livin' in Doha town
Drivin' old Jim Brexit crazy

The boys are back in town (the boys are back in town)
I said (the boys are back in town)
(The boys are back in town)
The boys are back in town
(The boys are back in town)
The boys are back in town
(The boys are back in town)

You know that Sheikh that used to bid a lot
Every night he’d be on the floor, ‘Sheikhin' what he’s got
Man, when I tell you he was cool, he was red-hot
But I mean, that’s Sportswashin'

And that time over at Sir Jim’s place
Well, Reuters got up and they slapped Jimmy’s face
Man, we just fell about the place
If that Sheikh don't wanna bid, just forget him

The boys are back in town (the boys are back in town)
I said (the boys are back in town)
(The boys are back in town)
The boys are back in town
(The boys are back in town)

Rio spread the word around
Sheikh Jassim’s back in town
Rio just spread the word around

Friday night Plant’s dressed to kill
Gazing in Berba’s windowsill
The bids will flow and blood will spill
And if Man City wanna cheat, the FA will let 'em

That jukebox in the corner blastin' out Plant’s favorite song…
‘Jimmy Jimmy’ by the Undertones
Won't be long 'til summer comes
and those Glazer boys keep us all waitin’

The boys are back in town (the boys are back in town)
(The boys are back in town)
(The boys are back in town)
The boys are back in town
(The boys are back in town) spread the word around
The boys are back in town

Phil Lynott, the story goes, when he wrote Yellow Pearl, added the lines 'Attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, Is what we lack' frustrated at United's attack the early 80's.

 

[stevoc]

Is that really far-fetched?

It's obviously possible but we have people buying into the fact he is based simply on him saying so in a press release a few months ago.

 

[Shakesy]

The really odd thing about such a heated debate is that it isn't two clashing ideologies but it seems to be a group of people with concerns and another group just shutting down the concerns.

It's isn't a row between people who think the treatment of migrant workers is abhorrent and another group defending forced labour and non payment. It's one group with concerns and another group shutting down the conversations with mitigation, accusations of racism, platitudes and whataboutery.

It's the language and cant of politics in a public forum. It's very depressing.

The odd thing isn't debate, though. The odd thing is that almost nobody is open to be convinced. This is the most stubborn group of people I've ever met. Feck. I've apologised so many times on here. I guess I'm weak.

 

[Solius]

Quark sized day today.

 

[cyberman]

You would think at this stage, nearing the end of the selection stage, that both SJR and SJ would not want to reveal their hand.

Obviously Raine can just relay the actual position to either bidder, but with the perception that Raine aren't acting in good faith, if the Reuters leak came from them, then you would as a bidder not want a public auction which would only lead to the price rising.

I would think the Times and Keegan will get scoops once a successful candidate has been selected and in the meantime Reuters are acting as the Glazers bid extraction tool.


If true, via Raine?



Phil Lynott, the story goes, when he wrote Yellow Pearl, added the lines 'Attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, Is what we lack' frustrated at United's attack the early 80's.

I’m more in line of the big time publication not caring about every little thing to counter other stories. When the FT get their 6 siblings could stay by watering down their own shares story I didn’t see Reuters etc jump on it.
They either have the story or not. They’re not relying on United for clicks as Lawton and Keegan are.

 

[moses]

The odd thing isn't debate, though. The odd thing is that almost nobody is open to be convinced. This is the most stubborn group of people I've ever met. Feck. I've apologised so many times on here. I guess I'm weak.

I've seen equally stubborn debates, but usually with two dogmas. This is ether.

Nobody is open to be convinced, but convinced of what? There is no counter arguments. Just people undermining thr premise of any concerns.

The only argument other than stfu is that economic cooperation leads to progress. I've never seen that, we've been trading with nefarious stats for decades and they rarely improve. It's a capitalist fallacy. The capitalist truth is that most wealth has been made off the back of oppression and also we as consumers need the cheap labour around the world , but that bleak message is rarely a vote winner.

 

[sglowrider]

For the last time; those aren't tits

 

[Cloud7]

The only argument other than stfu

 

[giggs-beckham]

So what do we think of the Reuters report the other day. We're they being fed lies or are we going to see a real development in some way soon. As without one, the report doesn't seem to be worthwhile

 

[kouroux]

Perfect example of what I was talking about. We have some absolute cnuts in our fan base who have no concept of comradery.

Camaradie isn't me catering to a view I don't agree with nor caring about things that don't move me. If you're looking for therapy, the Caf ain't the right place, sort your life out first.

 

[Wumminator]

Many of my PSG fans friends have gone depressed basically. They say their team is souless and the club uses propaganda to quel any sort of protest (they pay off influencers).

Camaradie isn't me catering to a view I don't agree with nor caring about things that don't move me. If you're looking for therapy, the Caf ain't the right place, sort your life out first.

Hope you have more compassion for your depressed friends who hate Qatari owners.

 

[cyberman]

You guys are playing word games now. The report's written in a way that is obvious the sources were asked about the reuters news and they were responding to it.

Responding to it with a non answer? Where the denial? There has to be a denial for there to be denial.

 

[fergieisold]

It’s because ultimately, no matter what, you can’t defend this.

Stuff like this I just don't understand - I'm guessing it's more about giving the impression they are all powerful than saving money. It's a pittance to them, yet they detain and deport people to avoid paying them.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

This saga is worse than De Jong/Thiago/Sneijder threads from back in the day.

 

[Ahmer Baig]

What's happening?

 

[Crackers]

This saga is worse than De Jong/Thiago/Sneijder threads from back in the day.

Despite the heartbreak that was a brilliant thread. Muppet shitposting at its finest

 

[kouroux]

Hope you have more compassion for your depressed friends who hate Qatari owners.

To be brutally honest, each of us has to find a way to deal with things on their own. Life outside of Man Utd should be the priority to a point where one doesn't get that affected seriously by shitty events. I never go on this site to find some form of compassion (anymore as it used to be the case a while ago) that makes no sense to me anymore. There are more important things than football

 

[Winnie]

I’d feck a camel live on tv for that.

I have no morals

Big rumours in the business pages that Musk is sniffing around and mulling about a $8Billion bid, a new Tesla HQ Europe at OT with a new 90,000 seater stadium OT named The Tesla Stadium complete with showrooms.

Hahaha
Love the bit about the camel

I take it the bit about Musk is just a joke as well??!

 

[Resonance]

This thread is an absolute clusterfeck.

 

[Wumminator]

To be brutally honest, each of us has to find a way to deal with things on their own. Life outside of Man Utd should be the priority to a point where one doesn't get that affected seriously by shitty events. I never go on this site to find some form of compassion (anymore as it used to be the case a while ago) that makes no sense to me anymore. There are more important things than football

I was going to say - I distinctly remember a thread from you about your fathers death and how it had impacted you. There was plenty of compassion shown to you then at a point when you needed it. Now you apparently don’t need it, it’s a bit galling to watch you insult others for posting similar sentiments. It’s not when you need help and compassion that people reveal their true personality but when others need it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I was going to say - I distinctly remember a thread from you about your fathers death and how it had impacted you. There was plenty of compassion shown to you then at a point when you needed it. Now you apparently don’t need it, it’s a bit galling to watch you insult others for posting similar sentiments. It’s not when you need help and compassion that people reveal their true personality but when others need it.

Your comments here really just endorse what he’s saying about people needing a better sense of perspective. You’re comparing the pain of a parent dying with being upset over who owns the football club you support? Seriously?

 

[Ish]

Let me make this clear right now. People who don’t want Qatar 100% have better standards of morals. That is absolutely true. I’m not ashamed to say that at all.

 

[Rood]

The really odd thing about such a heated debate is that it isn't two clashing ideologies but it seems to be a group of people with concerns and another group just shutting down the concerns.

It's isn't a row between people who think the treatment of migrant workers is abhorrent and another group defending forced labour and non payment. It's one group with concerns and another group shutting down the conversations with mitigation, accusations of racism, platitudes and whataboutery.

It's the language and cant of politics in a public forum. It's very depressing.

This seems a very one eyed view of things to me and you won't be surprised to hear that I see a very different picture.

There is the majority (based on polls here) who prefer the Sheikh Jassim bid as it seems the best for the future success and health of the club in terms of debts, the stadium etc.

Then there is a vocal minority who are antiQatar, I don't actually see many arguments in favour of INEOS apart from 'well it's not Qatar'. I can understand some of the worries presented but don't agree with them all.

In this group there is an extreme faction (and it's mostly these posters who turn this into a heated hysterical discourse) so entrenched in their position that they say they will boycott the club with the most extreme saying they prefer the club suffers and even gets relegated or goes bankrupt (not that either is likely) under the Glazers rather than Sheikh Jassim takeover.
These lot also go around claiming some kind of patronising moral superiority - this extremist POV is absolutely mental to me as it quite clearly isn't in the best interests of Manchester United and that is what is most important to me and many others.

Although there are antiJim arguments, I don't see anyone saying they will stop supporting if INEOS takeover so no extreme positions on that side.

Personally I prefer Sheikh Jassim based on the info available to us but, despite what you may think, it's not a strong preference as there are too many unknowns about both bids to be nailing colours to either mast so I'd still take Sir Jim over the Glazers and just hope he has learnt from mistakes at Nice.

The vast majority of fans that I know would sit in this category of just wanting the takeover to be done, either way, as soon as possible so that ETH can get on with his planning for next season. Seems the most reasonable point of view to me too, but obviously the extremists will not agree.

 

[BarstoolProphet]

I've seen equally stubborn debates, but usually with two dogmas. This is ether.

Nobody is open to be convinced, but convinced of what? There is no counter arguments. Just people undermining thr premise of any concerns.

The only argument other than stfu is that economic cooperation leads to progress. I've never seen that, we've been trading with nefarious stats for decades and they rarely improve. It's a capitalist fallacy. The capitalist truth is that most wealth has been made off the back of oppression and also we as consumers need the cheap labour around the world , but that bleak message is rarely a vote winner.

Well that's your, in my opinion, extremely biased view of the events. If only it was 'concerns being raised', then we probably wouldn't have had this polemic debate. Also no counter argument? Once again extremely biased.

You never seen integration with the West leads to progress? You only have to look a few miles down the road from Qatar for empirical evidence (maybe not as fast as you like). Multiculturalism (ie not only influx of migrant workers) has led to that country being more progressive and liberal than before. Like the West was before and after multiculturalism hit them.

Whilst I understand that many has the initial reaction is to boycott, it's not on my opinion the way to go to achieve progress. For a boycott to work, we need full consumer power. With Qatar that will never happen considering their position in the global market. As for them, they are now opening up for foreign investment (like Dubai has done for a while) and also are spending heavily to put Qatar on the map as a tourist destination. UAE is now one of the countries who earns the most from tourism in the world (top 3 I think) - that would never happen if they hadn't started to be more liberal and progressive. The same goes for Qatar in the future.

 

[Tarrou]

To be brutally honest, each of us has to find a way to deal with things on their own. Life outside of Man Utd should be the priority to a point where one doesn't get that affected seriously by shitty events. I never go on this site to find some form of compassion (anymore as it used to be the case a while ago) that makes no sense to me anymore. There are more important things than football

vey well said

 

[Bosws87]

Wish half of you had this passion to get the glazers out in the first place would of been a hell of a lot easier.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Wish half of you had this passion to get the glazers out in the first place would of been a hell of a lot easier.

I don't think whining on a football forum equates to having passion.

 

[Melville Red]

For the last time; those aren't tits

 

[Zora]

Wish half of you had this passion to get the glazers out in the first place would of been a hell of a lot easier.

How would they have got rid of the Glazers back then? With a drive-by posting?

 

[Wumminator]

Camaradie isn't me catering to a view I don't agree with nor caring about things that don't move me. If you're looking for therapy, the Caf ain't the right place, sort your life out first.

@Pogue Mahone - you really think this is the way to speak to someone who is anxious

Your comments here really just endorse what he’s saying about people needing a better sense of perspective. You’re comparing the pain of a parent dying with being upset over who owns the football club you support? Seriously?

This is the post I’m talking about. People come to this site with a lot of complex needs. The pain of a parent dying or suffering with depression (in my head koroux has done both here) is massive - but so is the pain of anxiety. Anxiety (as you know) can develop from anywhere. I certainly think if you’ve supported a club for generations in your family and now you find them morally reprehensible there is a state that can cause anxiety. And for someone who has struggled with this in the past, slight compassion for someone else going through it would be a much kinder position. Telling him to get off the caf and sort his life out - very unfair.

 

[Isotope]

I’d feck a camel live on tv for that.

I have no morals

Big rumours in the business pages that Musk is sniffing around and mulling about a $8Billion bid, a new Tesla HQ Europe at OT with a new 90,000 seater stadium OT named The Tesla Stadium complete with showrooms.

Spoke truly like a man of culture.

After all those kids he has and overpaid that texting company, Musk's probably short in monies.

 

[Blackbeard]

This thread needs burning with a flamethrower and burying far out in the desert somewhere.

 

[VP]

This seems a very one eyed view of things to me and you won't be surprised to hear that I see a very different picture.

There is the majority (based on polls here) who prefer the Sheikh Jassim bid as it seems the best for the future success and health of the club in terms of debts, the stadium etc.

Then there is a vocal minority who are antiQatar, I don't actually see many arguments in favour of INEOS apart from 'well it's not Qatar'.
In this group there is an extreme faction (and it's mostly these posters who turn this into a heated hysterical discourse) so entrenched in their position that they say they will boycott the club with the most extreme saying they prefer the club suffers and even gets relegated or goes bankrupt (not that either is likely) under the Glazers rather than Sheikh Jassim takeover. These lot also go around claiming some kind of patronising moral superiority - this extremist POV is absolutely mental to me as it quite clearly isn't in the best interests of Manchester United and that is what is most important to me and many others.

Although there are antiJim arguments, I don't see anyone saying they will stop supporting if INEOS takeover so no extreme positions on that side.

Personally I prefer Sheikh Jassim based on the info available to us but, despite what you may think, it's not a strong preference as there are too many unknowns about both bids to be nailing colours to either mast so I'd still take Sir Jim over the Glazers and just hope he has learnt from mistakes at Nice.

The vast majority of fans that I know would sit in this category of just wanting the takeover to be done either way as soon as possible so that ETH can get on with his planning for next season. Seems the most reasonable point of view to me too, but obviously the extremists will not agree.

I mean for someone who supposedly doesn't have a strong preference you have a strange way of showing it ( e.g. accusing me and others of "virtue-signalling" for raising questions about Qatar in the other thread).

 

[moses]

This seems a very one eyed view of things to me and you won't be surprised to hear that I see a very different picture.

There is the majority (based on polls here) who prefer the Sheikh Jassim bid as it seems the best for the future success and health of the club in terms of debts, the stadium etc.

Then there is a vocal minority who are antiQatar, I don't actually see many arguments in favour of INEOS apart from 'well it's not Qatar'. I can understand some of the worries presented but don't agree with them all.

In this group there is an extreme faction (and it's mostly these posters who turn this into a heated hysterical discourse) so entrenched in their position that they say they will boycott the club with the most extreme saying they prefer the club suffers and even gets relegated or goes bankrupt (not that either is likely) under the Glazers rather than Sheikh Jassim takeover.
These lot also go around claiming some kind of patronising moral superiority - this extremist POV is absolutely mental to me as it quite clearly isn't in the best interests of Manchester United and that is what is most important to me and many others.

Although there are antiJim arguments, I don't see anyone saying they will stop supporting if INEOS takeover so no extreme positions on that side.

Personally I prefer Sheikh Jassim based on the info available to us but, despite what you may think, it's not a strong preference as there are too many unknowns about both bids to be nailing colours to either mast so I'd still take Sir Jim over the Glazers and just hope he has learnt from mistakes at Nice.

The vast majority of fans that I know would sit in this category of just wanting the takeover to be done, either way, as soon as possible so that ETH can get on with his planning for next season. Seems the most reasonable point of view to me too, but obviously the extremists will not agree.

I have a one eyed view, based on the idea of equality and human rights. Unashamedly, and I will defend it on merit with no side stepping, obfuscation or slim hopes for the future based on nothing.

 

[moses]

I mean for someone who supposedly doesn't have a strong preference you have a strange way of showing it ( e.g. accusing me and others of "virtue-signalling" for raising questions about Qatar in the other thread).

Supposedly doesn't have a strong preference my hole. It's the dishonesty that contributes to this sham of a conversation.

 

[alexthelion]

Perfect example of what I was talking about. We have some absolute cnuts in our fan base who have no concept of comradery.

 

[kouroux]

I was going to say - I distinctly remember a thread from you about your fathers death and how it had impacted you. There was plenty of compassion shown to you then at a point when you needed it. Now you apparently don’t need it, it’s a bit galling to watch you insult others for posting similar sentiments. It’s not when you need help and compassion that people reveal their true personality but when others need it.

That's exactly why I precised that I used to be like that and you can certainly imagine that I lost more people since then, close relatives and all but I didn't make a thread about it because I learned since then that I shouldn't have dealt with grief the way I did.
With different events happening in one's life, there is an evolution in terms of perspective. We're not all the same people we were 4-5-6 years ago