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Rood said:
This seems a very one eyed view of things to me and you won't be surprised to hear that I see a very different picture.

There is the majority (based on polls here) who prefer the Sheikh Jassim bid as it seems the best for the future success and health of the club in terms of debts, the stadium etc.

Then there is a vocal minority who are antiQatar, I don't actually see many arguments in favour of INEOS apart from 'well it's not Qatar'. I can understand some of the worries presented but don't agree with them all.

In this group there is an extreme faction (and it's mostly these posters who turn this into a heated hysterical discourse) so entrenched in their position that they say they will boycott the club with the most extreme saying they prefer the club suffers and even gets relegated or goes bankrupt (not that either is likely) under the Glazers rather than Sheikh Jassim takeover.
These lot also go around claiming some kind of patronising moral superiority - this extremist POV is absolutely mental to me as it quite clearly isn't in the best interests of Manchester United and that is what is most important to me and many others.

Although there are antiJim arguments, I don't see anyone saying they will stop supporting if INEOS takeover so no extreme positions on that side.

Personally I prefer Sheikh Jassim based on the info available to us but, despite what you may think, it's not a strong preference as there are too many unknowns about both bids to be nailing colours to either mast so I'd still take Sir Jim over the Glazers and just hope he has learnt from mistakes at Nice.

The vast majority of fans that I know would sit in this category of just wanting the takeover to be done, either way, as soon as possible so that ETH can get on with his planning for next season. Seems the most reasonable point of view to me too, but obviously the extremists will not agree.
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Nail on head.
 
Wumminator said:
@Pogue Mahone - you really think this is the way to speak to someone who is anxious

This is the post I’m talking about. People come to this site with a lot of complex needs. The pain of a parent dying or suffering with depression (in my head koroux has done both here) is massive - but so is the pain of anxiety. Anxiety (as you know) can develop from anywhere. I certainly think if you’ve supported a club for generations in your family and now you find them morally reprehensible there is a state that can cause anxiety. And for someone who has struggled with this in the past, slight compassion for someone else going through it would be a much kinder position. Telling him to get off the caf and sort his life out - very unfair.
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However the current situation makes you feel in terms of anxiety, the Caf isn't the place to deal with it IMHO. There are specialists who are better suited for this.
 
Ted Lasso said:
Just because he was so unliked, untruthful and unsuccessful in ownership of other football clubs doesn't mean he can't help Man United to glory. He's a Manchester United fan and local. He wasn't a Nice fan. So that should fill the gap.

It's not like Sheik has any football expertise either. So what about him, huh?

And you can't forget about Biden either. At lease Ratcliff isn't as sleepy as Sleepy Joe.
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Sorry, Monaco is now local :lol:

Learn something new every day.
 
kouroux said:
That's exactly why I precised that I used to be like that and you can certainly imagine that I lost more people since then, close relatives and all but I didn't make a thread about it because I learned since then that I shouldn't have dealt with grief the way I did.
With different events happening in one's life, there is an evolution in terms of perspective. We're not all the same people we were 4-5-6 years ago
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You are absolutely correct here. The loss of dear ones will put a perspective on life.

Football isnt greater than life. Its just a part of it and if we have any learnt perspective, we wouldn't be putting as much energy into this thread or even the discussions on it. We have ZERO control over it.

So why get so heated or upset over something that we have ZERO control over? Better to focus the energy on things that really matter in real life.

The only choice or control you have is whether you want to continue supporting the club despite your misgivings or just not bother anymore and focus on other things that matter as much if not more in life.

Or unless you have £6billion sitting around some where...
 
sglowrider said:
You are absolutely correct here. The loss of dear ones will put a perspective on life.

Football isnt greater than life. Its just a part of it and if we have any learnt perspective, we wouldn't be putting as much energy into this thread or even the discussions on it. We have ZERO control over it.

So why get so heated or upset over something that we have ZERO control over? Better to focus the energy on things that really matter in real life.

The only choice or control you have is whether you want to continue supporting the club despite your misgivings or just not bother anymore and focus on other things that matter as much if not more in life.

Or unless you have £6billion sitting around some where...
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I can understand venting after games, it is part of a ritual basically. However the sale of a club is such a long process, it gives you time to think about things.
 
moses said:
Yeah, Rood defending unelected authoritarian government with human rights issus and casting people who object as extremists. You couldn't make it up.

What nail exactly?
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What are you going to do about it? Start a revolution in Qatar?

This discussion has taken up at least 80% of this thread. So the excuse that 'this is a forum' has way outlasted its purpose like 1200 pages ago. You can accept it when it happens or just stop supporting the club. Thats your only choice.
 
kouroux said:
I can understand venting after games, it is part of a ritual basically. However the sale of a club is such a long process, it gives you time to think about things.
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There are a few things that happen in life that change you. Death to relatives/family or friends are certainly one of them.

United getting bought out by people you may disagree aint one of them.
 
Imagine how ETH must be right now
- comes in to the club after the shitshow of the prior season,
- is (presumably) told the need is Top 4 and then to push on,
- manages that and gets a trophy in his first season
- is then told he’s got next to nothing (in relative terms) to spend because ‘we’re too busy trying to get 30 pieces of silver instead of 20 for the club sale.’

He must be absolutely fecking fuming!
 
sglowrider said:
There are a few things that happen in life that change you. Death to relatives/family or friends are certainly one of them.

United getting bought out by people you may disagree aint one of them.
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I agree.

I get why people are upset, but there's more important things pertaining to your own life that carry more importance to get upset about.
 
Rood said:
This seems a very one eyed view of things to me and you won't be surprised to hear that I see a very different picture.

There is the majority (based on polls here) who prefer the Sheikh Jassim bid as it seems the best for the future success and health of the club in terms of debts, the stadium etc.

Then there is a vocal minority who are antiQatar, I don't actually see many arguments in favour of INEOS apart from 'well it's not Qatar'. I can understand some of the worries presented but don't agree with them all.

In this group there is an extreme faction (and it's mostly these posters who turn this into a heated hysterical discourse) so entrenched in their position that they say they will boycott the club with the most extreme saying they prefer the club suffers and even gets relegated or goes bankrupt (not that either is likely) under the Glazers rather than Sheikh Jassim takeover.
These lot also go around claiming some kind of patronising moral superiority - this extremist POV is absolutely mental to me as it quite clearly isn't in the best interests of Manchester United and that is what is most important to me and many others.

Although there are antiJim arguments, I don't see anyone saying they will stop supporting if INEOS takeover so no extreme positions on that side.

Personally I prefer Sheikh Jassim based on the info available to us but, despite what you may think, it's not a strong preference as there are too many unknowns about both bids to be nailing colours to either mast so I'd still take Sir Jim over the Glazers and just hope he has learnt from mistakes at Nice.

The vast majority of fans that I know would sit in this category of just wanting the takeover to be done, either way, as soon as possible so that ETH can get on with his planning for next season. Seems the most reasonable point of view to me too, but obviously the extremists will not agree.
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Well said.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
I agree.

I get why people are upset, but there's more important things pertaining to your own life that carry more importance to get upset about.
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My life has gone to absolute shit in the last week, and I come on the caf to get away from it, get a bit of distraction.
It actually makes me feel weirdly better seeing people losing their minds over something that fundamentally means bugger all to them in the grand scheme of things
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Imagine how ETH must be right now
- comes in to the club after the shitshow of the prior season,
- is (presumably) told the need is Top 4 and then to push on,
- manages that and gets a trophy in his first season
- is then told he’s got next to nothing (in relative terms) to spend because ‘we’re too busy trying to get 30 pieces of silver instead of 20 for the club sale.’

He must be absolutely fecking fuming!
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You dont see him venting on the cafe though!
 
Rood said:
The vast majority of fans that I know would sit in this category of just wanting the takeover to be done, either way, as soon as possible so that ETH can get on with his planning for next season. Seems the most reasonable point of view to me too, but obviously the extremists will not agree.
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Yes, but Rood,, you are not the vast majority of fans even if you share this viewpoint here and now.

You have been loudly and consistently banging a Qatari drum for a while now.

Just own it.
 
This a question for those accusing others of being morally bankrupt.

I have had no say in who United is owned by, or which players they buy, and sell. Basically, no say in the running of the club. I am just a person with deep feelings for the club. To the point, it spoils my mood when they lose. I spend hours reading and writing about the club and the players. These feelings are difficult to explain to anyone without having been in this situation and they just can't be switched off.

I'd love nothing more but for things to change for the better in Qatar and the club. What are my options?
 
Rood said:
This seems a very one eyed view of things to me and you won't be surprised to hear that I see a very different picture.

There is the majority (based on polls here) who prefer the Sheikh Jassim bid as it seems the best for the future success and health of the club in terms of debts, the stadium etc.

Then there is a vocal minority who are antiQatar, I don't actually see many arguments in favour of INEOS apart from 'well it's not Qatar'. I can understand some of the worries presented but don't agree with them all.

In this group there is an extreme faction (and it's mostly these posters who turn this into a heated hysterical discourse) so entrenched in their position that they say they will boycott the club with the most extreme saying they prefer the club suffers and even gets relegated or goes bankrupt (not that either is likely) under the Glazers rather than Sheikh Jassim takeover.
These lot also go around claiming some kind of patronising moral superiority - this extremist POV is absolutely mental to me as it quite clearly isn't in the best interests of Manchester United and that is what is most important to me and many others.

Although there are antiJim arguments, I don't see anyone saying they will stop supporting if INEOS takeover so no extreme positions on that side.

Personally I prefer Sheikh Jassim based on the info available to us but, despite what you may think, it's not a strong preference as there are too many unknowns about both bids to be nailing colours to either mast so I'd still take Sir Jim over the Glazers and just hope he has learnt from mistakes at Nice.

The vast majority of fans that I know would sit in this category of just wanting the takeover to be done, either way, as soon as possible so that ETH can get on with his planning for next season. Seems the most reasonable point of view to me too, but obviously the extremists will not agree.
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I might be wrong but I think I read that polls elsewhere (UWS maybe?) were in favour of SJR.
 
T00lsh3d said:
My life has gone to absolute shit in the last week, and I come on the caf to get away from it, get a bit of distraction.
It actually makes me feel weirdly better seeing people losing their minds over something that fundamentally means bugger all to them in the grand scheme of things
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Hope your life turns around soon, but yeah I agree with you.

I can't control who the owner is of my favorite club. Am I 100% thrilled on either option? No. But I've hated the Glazers for years too and I still support the club. I also use football/redcafe as an escape/distraction from life too. But as one gets older and goes through life, you get a sense of priorities. I don't beat myself up over losses or bad sporting news like I did 10-15 years ago and let it ruin my mood.

If Jassim/Qatar becoming the owners is a huge problem for people and they don't want to keep supporting their boyhood/favorite club, I feel bad for them, but it's so minuscule compared to what can actually happen to an individual.
 
moses said:
Yeah, Rood defending unelected authoritarian government with human rights issus and casting people who object as extremists. You couldn't make it up.

What nail exactly?
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Shame you don't actually stay on topic and respond to what I posted rather than construct straw men based on things I've never said
 
Sultan said:
This a question for those accusing others of being morally bankrupt.

I have had no say in who United is owned by, or which players they buy, and sell. Basically, no say in the running of the club. I am just a person with deep feelings for the club. To the point, it spoils my mood when they lose. I spend hours reading and writing about the club and the players. These feelings are difficult to explain to anyone without having been in this situation and they just can't be switched off.

I'd love nothing more but for things to change for the better in Qatar and the club. What are my options?
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For some, it seems to get angry or pontificating at fellow fans are natural viable options.
 
moses said:
Supposedly doesn't have a strong preference my hole. It's the dishonesty that contributes to this sham of a conversation.
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And now you throw insults and accuse me of lying?

I voted INEOS in March, changed my preference more recently - make the poll public and see for yourself, I guess that doesn't fit with the straw man you built though
 
Isotope said:
If Qatar government give you $10 million when your visit there, just to say "I love visiting Qatar" on TV, would you accept it?
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10 million to say a line on tv? Who the feck wouldn't take it
 
Rood said:
And now you throw insults and accuse me of lying?

I voted INEOS in March, changed my preference more recently - make the poll public and see for yourself, I guess that doesn't fit with the straw man you built though
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I'm basing it on your cheerleading during the World Cup and now, and on the reports and concerns of other posters.

I stand over every partisan post I've made on this subject. That you don't is telling. So yes, dishonest is how I categorise that.
 
Rood said:
This seems a very one eyed view of things to me and you won't be surprised to hear that I see a very different picture.

There is the majority (based on polls here) who prefer the Sheikh Jassim bid as it seems the best for the future success and health of the club in terms of debts, the stadium etc.

Then there is a vocal minority who are antiQatar, I don't actually see many arguments in favour of INEOS apart from 'well it's not Qatar'. I can understand some of the worries presented but don't agree with them all.

In this group there is an extreme faction (and it's mostly these posters who turn this into a heated hysterical discourse) so entrenched in their position that they say they will boycott the club with the most extreme saying they prefer the club suffers and even gets relegated or goes bankrupt (not that either is likely) under the Glazers rather than Sheikh Jassim takeover.
These lot also go around claiming some kind of patronising moral superiority - this extremist POV is absolutely mental to me as it quite clearly isn't in the best interests of Manchester United and that is what is most important to me and many others.

Although there are antiJim arguments, I don't see anyone saying they will stop supporting if INEOS takeover so no extreme positions on that side.

Personally I prefer Sheikh Jassim based on the info available to us but, despite what you may think, it's not a strong preference as there are too many unknowns about both bids to be nailing colours to either mast so I'd still take Sir Jim over the Glazers and just hope he has learnt from mistakes at Nice.

The vast majority of fans that I know would sit in this category of just wanting the takeover to be done, either way, as soon as possible so that ETH can get on with his planning for next season. Seems the most reasonable point of view to me too, but obviously the extremists will not agree.
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Spot on. Well said.
 
pocco said:
I might be wrong but I think I read that polls elsewhere (UWS maybe?) were in favour of SJR.
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Yes there was, I don't know how many voted and if it would be the same result today as a lot changed since the early polls when the 2 bidders first emerged
 
Sultan said:
This a question for those accusing others of being morally bankrupt.

I have had no say in who United is owned by, or which players they buy, and sell. Basically, no say in the running of the club. I am just a person with deep feelings for the club. To the point, it spoils my mood when they lose. I spend hours reading and writing about the club and the players. These feelings are difficult to explain to anyone without having been in this situation and they just can't be switched off.

I'd love nothing more but for things to change for the better in Qatar and the club. What are my options?
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Have you considered nihilism?
 
T00lsh3d said:
My life has gone to absolute shit in the last week, and I come on the caf to get away from it, get a bit of distraction.
It actually makes me feel weirdly better seeing people losing their minds over something that fundamentally means bugger all to them in the grand scheme of things
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Sorry to hear that my man. Hope things get better soon. Stay strong buddy.
 
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