When you’re the biggest supplier of energy in the world powerful people want access to you. Do you think the USA wants ME countries buying £100b fighter jet contracts from Russia, China, U.K. France or does it want to be pocketing that for itself? Do you think the U.K. gov wants Qatar investing trillions in Shanghai or does it want that invested in London?
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Yeah, that’s what I meant. Same with Russia and Abramovich and all the other oligarchs,
I tell you what, I feel a lot safer walking around in Dubai than I would in London.
Anyhow, it is interesting that we've not even heard from SJR, someone who was open about purchasing United. Also, no one has even gone and spoke to the Saudi sports minister about an update of any bids for United.
Just all very hush, hush. This is what makes me believe something is going on.
Anyhow, it is interesting that we've not even heard from SJR, someone who was open about purchasing United. Also, no one has even gone and spoke to the Saudi sports minister about an update of any bids for United.
Just all very hush, hush. This is what makes me believe something is going on.
Christ.
I never did this and wouldn't do this. I was referring to the Qatari royal family explicitly.
You could have clarified your misunderstanding instead of going in completely aggro for no reason.
Yeah he was pretty shite the few minutes he had.
Just thinking if Qatar are involved and indeed looking to be in by end of March, now would be good time to recall him so he isn’t connected to a Qatar owned club?
true but that’s half the fun, speculating, it’ll probably nobody anyone thought of knows I.e. some faceless consortium
Fair enough, hadn’t heard that
Your probably right but like I said from what I’ve read there really is no love lost.
It’s not a conspiracy theory I’m just speculating, asking the question, I’m sure I’m well wide of the mark but it’s half the reason for these forums for feck sake.What no?
It was always in Dubravkas contract he could he recalled in Jan.
some of these conspiracy theories is worse rhan soap opera gossip columns
Are you thinking of any country in particular that you really hate, while using whataboutery to defend Arab dictatorships that have people ritually flogged and publicly executed by Sharia courts for any form of political dissent?
It's almost like you have an agenda...
Again, this just doesn't work though does it? Because they spent billions on the World Cup, billions on PSG etc. It's undeniably nation building through football. It's one thing to be a necessary evil to a country because you have resources they need, it's another to be seen in an actual favourable light. It's reputation laundering, look at the power Dubai wields now because of the influx in westerners. Money and resources are the raw power, but how you are able to use that power is dependent on your relationships and how you are perceived.
That's why countries buy football clubs. This isn't even some debatable theory anymore, it's established fact. At this point not knowing how it works is either a lack of education or deliberate misdirection.
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From what I have read he didn't asked to be recalled, Newcastle took that decision as they just lost their on loan back up in Karius and wanted him back there as back up to pope.
They better hope Pope doesn't get injured then.
Only one who is showing ignorance and hatred is you. The last reported execution in Qatar was in 2003! Crimes that can be punishable by death, are Murder, rape, terrorism. Only those with an agenda demonise something without any substance.
Qatar’s death row
Qatar retains the death penalty by firing squad or hanging for crimes including murder, terrorism, rape, drug trafficking, treason and espionage. Those under sentence of death are held at Central Prison, in Doha.
Though executions are rare, those under sentence of death suffer greatly because of “death row phenomenon” – recognised in international case law as the psychological impact of languishing on death row, which amounts to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment. And indeed, our partners, such as Acharya, tell us that those on death row in Qatar live in cramped and cold conditions, with “bed bugs and blood stained walls”, and they are rarely able to contact their families.
The number of death sentences passed in Qatar is slowly increasing; since 2020 at least four people have been sentenced to death per year, as compared to one or two death sentences per year in previous years.
What is more, for foreign nationals facing murder charges, the nationality of the victim may be pertinent. As the World Coalition Against the Death Penalty and The Advocates for Human Rights have noted: “Recent history suggests that a migrant worker may be more likely to be sentenced to death and executed for killing a Qatari national, as opposed to a non-citizen”, suggesting that some lives matter more than others.
Meanwhile the UN notes several human rights concerns about the Qatari criminal justice system. These include inadequate access to legal counsel and legal assistance in a language that the defendant can understand (which is particularly relevant to foreign nationals); restrictions on defendants’ ability to address the courts; and the use of trials in absentia.
Both the UN and Amnesty International reported claims by those under sentence of death in Qatar that their confessions were made under duress and torture and “in many cases, those raising allegations of torture were not Qatari nationals”.
And they broke that hiatus in 2020, your info is out of date
https://www.barrons.com/news/qatar-executed-nepali-man-ending-20-year-hiatus-amnesty-01619018414
Wrong thread.
I was wrong they executed someone in 2020, the first since 2003. Funny you didn’t call out @glazed for spreading a genuine lie and speaking as it Qatar has public executions on a daily basis for petty offences.
Capital punishment is a whole different subject. But again another one that brings out the double standards.
Glazed said "Arab dictatorships", the Saudi regime undoubtedly qualify as an Arab dictatorship and do all of those things. You said Qatar hadn't executed anyone since 2003, you were wrong and I corrected you. Please don't throw a tantrum about it.
I was speaking about Qatar. The post he replied to was clearly me speaking about Qatar. To throw every Gulf country into the same box says more about you and Glazed than you realise.
I didn't throw anything in anywhere, I simply actually read what someone else wrote. I wish you'd extend the same curtesy to my posts before you replied.
You should read beyond the one post to understand the context of what is being discussed. Then you would have known that I was speaking about Qatar, and Glazed comment about Arab dictatorships that publicly flog and execute people was completely irrelevant to any point I was making.
I did read the full exchange prior to Glazed's post. I really just think you need to accept that someone corrected you on a factual error and move on.
I was referring to Wahabi regimes in general and I had saudi arabia in mind. If i was refering to Qatar I woul have focused on corruption, the death of migrant workers, persecuting homosexuality, women's rights etc
It's pretty clear you are an apologist for Arab dictatorships with a side order of hostility to Israel. Are you Jeremy Corbyn?
Pretty clear you’re a racist. I think after your unfounded accusations I can say that.
You can say what you like but it doesn't make it true. Have fun from your seat on the moral high ground applauding the half time crucifixions at Old Trafford once your saudi friends are in charge.
I did. I think you need to accept that glaze’s comments below speaks for itself and proves my point. The man/lady has a problem against all Arabs. Thus he threw Qatar in the same box as all Gulf states simply because I defend Qatar. For what it’s worth, I know those with prejudice can’t be reasoned with, I don’t think Qatar is perfect. But my point is the language used about Qatar doesn’t match the reality of Qatar.
And if people really think Qatar is an evil, murdering, bastardoues state based then what on earth must they think about other countries? Including U.K. & USA
I’ve never spoken about Saudi. But I suppose I’d prefer them than your fellow KKK members.
I am sorry but I'm done engaging with people who make this argument. The UK and US states are awful too, they shouldn't be allowed to own football clubs either, find me where I've suggested they should or please just stop.
Is the comparative liberal credentials of the UK and Qatar really the hill you want to die on? Be my guest..
Where did I say anything about you? Like I said if you read more than one post you would understand the context of “evil, murdering, bastardoues Qatar” and wouldn’t throw your toys out the pram thinking someone put Nutella in your bed when really you just had an little accident.
I’ve stayed very quiet on the matter, but I do think it’s sad. Not that people don’t care about the sports washing or human rights arguments, hey, each to their own.
What I find sad is that some posters are being mocked, ridiculed or jeered for having the audacity to mention that it’s an uncomfortable situation to be in morally that the club you support and love may become a play thing of some Arab state when the vast, vast majority had those same opinions when it was City being taken over, when it was PSG, when it was Newcastle.
People are being called hypocrites for having an issue with Oil state ownership but putting petrol in their car, when the real hypocrites are the hundreds of posters who were appalled by the Oil states buying City and Newcastle but are now like “hey, it’s the world we live in” or “it’s the only way to compete.”
I'm sorry but this isn't happening, like I said, I'm done engaging with people who make that argument. If you had anything sensible to say you wouldn't have needed to make it.
You can have a liberal society and still commit war atrocities. You can have a liberal society and still have one of the most prejudicial custodial systems in the world (USA) , you can have a democracy and still have corruption at the highest level, you can have a liberal society and still treat parts of your society like crap.
Bill Gates was also a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein.
All very true.
This is just Corbynista whatabouterry. The middle eastern Arab regimes contain among their number some of the most barbarous in the world. Some are better than others but none are on a democratic par with a Western European country or the USA or even Israel. You know, places where you can vote out the government and say what you like without getting thrown in jail or worse. I don't want those regimes running Manchester United. Clearly you make common cause with them and are happy to throw perfomative tantrums about racism when they are called out for what they are.
The saving factor for Qatar is that it is so tremendously rich while having a really tiny population (350k). Hence their population is largely content (compared to for example the Saudi’s). They have an almost tenfold amount of residents due to all migrant workers, and they have very few rights although it improved a bit lately. With the system they have, the lack of safe guards or whatever, it is well known that you always gets violations and that it would be really really bad if that type of society faced some real adversity. How to tackle women’s rights are quite frankly not easy. It is a big issue, you could claim that they hold half of their population hostage. At the same time, that is not a view that is shared by half of the population. In a way, I do think change in this field must come from within. You can’t roll in with Tanks and set it right, so to speak. Probably.
I would however say that the ‘sports washing’ angle of being owned by Qatar is just dumb. It’s quite frankly a term taken by people who don’t understand it or our society and then applied to a situation on which it does not fit. Everyone that matters declared Qatar sufficiently clean decades ago. We don’t blockade their energy products. We don’t prevent them from investing in the West. They want to buy Heathrow, go ahead, will the politicians say. In the private sector, nobody would shy away from letting them invest in infrastructure, real estate or whatever. It’s the opposite, everyone are tripping over each other to do business with them. What is there to wash?
I would however take a stance against the Saudi. Simply because you got an issue there that is outside of religion and recent tribal way of life. Their most powerful leader is a tremendously evil man who out of spite had a journalist murdered and slaughtered. It is also a stance supported at least in some way by the western community. Have something like this happened in Qatar? We can of course assume that bad things happen there, it always does when you don’t have the safe guards. But they don’t have the same level of problem with an unsatisfied part of the population and have not been caught red handed. Should that really matter? Of course it should. If there is a punishment for doing something like that, it’s preventive.
If it was up to me, I would certainly prefer us getting bought by Jimmy Ratcliffe even if it meant that we mostly had to live of self generated money. But some infrastructure investment is needed. But we could get far by just having a competent management. But it’s not up to anyone of us. It’s up to the Glazers. Who decided not to ask us at all what we think about a new buyer. Which isn’t surprising.
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Haven’t you got a Gert Wilder’s and Robert Spencer meeting to be attending? I have no problem and enjoy debating rational people who make logical points based on reality. But you’re not one of them.
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Nobody knows for sure, but a rational educated guess of when we will be in the latter stages of selling would be…..?
Great points. I too feel the same about Bin Salmon lots of Saudis are going missing/getting killed for basically “getting in his way” , plus what Saudi Arabia & UAE are doing in Yemen is years of non stop war atrocities.
I would be against Saudi state ownership, I wouldn’t like UAE state ownership due to the war against Yemen but I’ll be honest I’d accept it.
I’d distinguish between investors / owners individuals from Saudi/UAE and the state. But obviously I know multibillionaire Saudis are most likely related to the royal family, I also know it works by connection to the 1st king. So 99% of people called “princes” really have no power and are 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousins of the current King or Bin Salmon those that have become very wealthy like bin Talal have done so through business.
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Wish this had happened sooner so we could invest massively in the current window, could have maybe actually had a chance to win the title then. 
That's one of the ways we can get rid of unwanted players on silly salaries
I am joking btw
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