Great post you hit the nail on the head. I respect anyone else’s opinion and understand why they might object but for a large number of fans football is our escape and we want to compete. The glazers have represented failure as city and liverpool have lorded it over Utd for far too long. It’s time to get on a level playing field and that means Qatar in my opinion just for the fact they want a full takeover and glazers gone. Also they have laid out plans while Jim has been pretty cagey.
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Yeah, to be fair, if one thing has been clear throughout this whole process it’s that the Glazers are keen for this to not drag on…
Sorry about that mate. I feel very similar and it’s a massive shame.
There will be no announcement about the sale over the weekend.
Go out and do something less boring instead.
Go out and do something less boring instead.
Not at all. His a brilliant man.
He’s*
He’s sporting director at Nice & it’s gone god awful judging by league standings…..
There are two side to this and the people who just take a side and stick to it are not particularly helpful. I am against the Qatari bid and the potential of us becoming a super powered sportswashing project, but I'm also not naieve and am aware of the fact that the UK has blood on its hands historically.
You don't even need to go far back to see some of the atrocities committed by a British leader, yet Churchill is actually held up as a hero by many. That still doesn't mean we have to give oppressive regimes a free pass today.
The damage has already been done by the likes of the Chelsea, City and Newcastle takeovers anyway I guess. We face the choice now of becoming another sportswashing vehicle to stay competitive or likely fading and becoming irrelevant on the world stage. Neither one is particularly attractive, but we can at least see which one has slightly more moral integrity. Some people genuinely don't care and will just root for their favourite 'brand' regardless. I'm sure some fans would be fine with a joint Putin and Trump takeover bid as long as it meant we could sign Mbappe and win something bigger and shinier than the League Cup.
Complete crap, can the media decide which angle they are going for. We have been fed for years the glazers are just money grabbers. Now we are to believe they are sceptical of the source of the money as if they care.
So many stories being printed with a clear angle on the outcome they would prefer.
Thank you for correcting me
I have read a great deal about a method to improve people and he is known to be exceptionally good at this method. I have also read specifically about him and how he wants a process to be. For my own part, I can say that he impresses me greatly.
In my opinion, I think it will be a bit easy to take Nice to judge whether he does a good job or not. We are all aware that not absolutely all projects are always 100% perfect. It is not possible to achieve.
I think Brailsford will fit in very well with Erik ten Hag. I base this on the fact that both are engrossed in details. Improve the little things to get better habits and improvement over time.
Surely they can be skeptical about WHERE this money is coming from? I.e: how long it’s going to take for them to get their money if it’s from a source they don’t believe
If they’d have accepted a bid 3 months ago it would probably be sorted by now
Thank you for correcting me
I have read a great deal about a method to improve people and he is known to be exceptionally good at this method. I have also read specifically about him and how he wants a process to be. For my own part, I can say that he impresses me greatly.
In my opinion, I think it will be a bit easy to take Nice to judge whether he does a good job or not. We are all aware that not absolutely all projects are always 100% perfect. It is not possible to achieve.
I think Brailsford will fit in very well with Erik ten Hag. I base this on the fact that both are engrossed in details. Improve the little things to get better habits and improvement over time.
Doping?
And so we carry on…
Sceptical the premier league released a statement saying that Saudi Arabia kingdom is not involved with the newcastle takeover.
It would be the least of the glazers worries. Let’s not pretend the premier league have any moral standing.
What we need is an announcement the same hour if city win the Chamions League. Would be immense and put their efforts in the shade however unlikely it seems.
Great points made here.
Been trying to figure out who leaked the news yesterday about Nasser Al-Khelaifi meeting with the Glazers.
Glazers/Raine - I can't see the benefit of doing it. Maybe to say to the Qataris (who have come out to publicly to say they are frustrated) that they've tried to push negotiations? Ornstein/Stone articles go on to say that Qatar didn't up their bid post the meeting.
Qatar - Again I don't see the benefit of the news. Maybe part of their exit strategy to show that the sellers are just money hungry by going to an intemdiary to try an extract more money.
INEOS - To me it seems most likely the initial story was leaked by them. Exclusive came from Athletic/Ornstein who we know have links to INEOS. What benefit is it for INEOS to put this out there? To starting pushing the agenda that this is state linked and not a group of private investors. Ornstein's story states that Premier League clubs now want source of funds to be investigated. Does this imply a swing in favour of Qatar and INEOS are starting to get worried? It was interesting that the stories that came out later from James Ducker at the Telegraph contradicted certain points of the initial athletic reports, so you'd imagine that was Qatars rebuttal.
I think that's the point for a lot of fans. Politics and sport rarely mix and a lot of people watch football to get away from the day-to-day nonsense in life.
Too many fans on here try to take the moral high ground and start coming out with things like 'if you support Qatar then you support their regime..'.
No.
I support the Qatar bid because I think it will be the best for United. It doesn't automatically translate that I'm in favour of their human right views. They are two totally separate things and I have the ability to do that.
I've also learned in life that every single person on this planet is a hypocrite by default, regardless of their moral shouting, especially on here, so I completely ignore their BS.
The same people going on about Qataris human rights are the same people buying cheap tut from Amazon made in China. But they never see the connection, or they do but conveniently choose to ignore it.
Nobody lives in a perfect bubble. Even if you lived vegan, carbon, human rights free in a small white room with nothing purchased from kid abusing sweat shops, there would still be some fecker who would point out 'the rooms all white, there's nothing black in it, so you're racist..'
Feck off.
I support Qatar all the way and I don't give one flying feck who it offends and if that triggers anyone then I've only one thing to say.
Awww...diddums, get a life.
It's just a theory but it's possible
Jim has been on record as having met the Glazers in the past and his comments obviously didnt go down well with many United fans
"I've met Joel and Avram and they are the nicest people, I have to say, they are proper gentlemen."
We should lock this thread over the weekend as nothing is going to happen due to stock exchange closure.
saves us having to troll through about 30 pages before Monday when nothing else will happen
saves us having to troll through about 30 pages before Monday when nothing else will happen
A "parody" has to inject some humour or piss taking. That is just someone pretending to be someone else. I'd ban that sort of shit if I was Elon Musk.
Not a bad call.
Then why ask him to raise his bid? For shits and giggles?
Yeah, who gives a feck about meaningless shit like human righta when you could have Mbappe and Greenwood ripping up the league at the Qatar Airways Arena. feck off back to Twitter.
This is how the cnuts of the world get away with it. Stupid whataboutery from the willfully ignorant.
He was probably on a charm offensive at the time. In retrospect, it was the right way to proceed, knowing how complex negotiations with the family would end up being.
Can people stop with this tripe too?! Do you expect us to just take the summer off if we are not sold? This deal only feels like it is dragging on to some as they have attached some sort of made up significance in the process to the transfer window (unsurprisingly) - a window that continues to come around twice a year until the end of time. Whenever a deal goes through, there will be a transfer window on the horizon.
Fantastic show. May decide its worth rewatching.
Imagine Michael Scott is Nasser and the old man is Ratcliffe
You've smashed it with the posts in this thread lately mate.I see this comment but seriouslywhat other countries can competewith the likes of UAE/Saudi?,
Maybe the Qataris have learned the trend Brexit Jims team have put out.
This is an uncomfortable truth a lot of people cant accept so look to deflect and say "look at the other country they are bad" forgetting their own countries history- How conveniant eh. Thankfully, despite the biased british media narrative angle, its looking promising still for the Qataris or else the Glazers would have accepted Brexit Ratty Jim cowardly bid weeks ago.
Ye I don't personally have an issue with it, he's hardly going to show up on TV and call them a bunch of cnuts
However, I think this was the start ( these comments came at the time of his late bid for Chelsea) of sections of our fanbase turning against Jim when initially he was painted as the Red Knight saviour of the club
The fact people keep bringing up Brexit as a stick to beat Jim with shows just how out of their depth they are with this debate.
Qatari policy in their own country makes Brexit seem like Disneyland. You'd know this if you actually bothered to read about it.
I can understand wanting the debt gone and the Glazers totally gone. That's all perfectly sensible. However these BS arguement about Brexit and other such things are such a front and BS excuses. You just want that Qatari oil / gas money. That's all it's about so don't pretend it's anything else.
I have more respect for the pro Qatar lot on here who are just honest about their intentions and don't hide behind this nonsense.
Qatari policy in their own country makes Brexit seem like Disneyland. You'd know this if you actually bothered to read about it.
I can understand wanting the debt gone and the Glazers totally gone. That's all perfectly sensible. However these BS arguement about Brexit and other such things are such a front and BS excuses. You just want that Qatari oil / gas money. That's all it's about so don't pretend it's anything else.
I have more respect for the pro Qatar lot on here who are just honest about their intentions and don't hide behind this nonsense.
Nobody is forgetting Britain's history. It's simply irrelevant to the sale of United. This is because Britain's government isn't trying to buy us. Qatar's autocratic regime is.
In Britain you can remove the government via democracy. Brexit, despite being shit, was also democratic (I voted remain and still would). To attempt to remove the Qatari regime is to incur either a lengthy prison sentence or death. Even speaking out about them is dangerous.
When you provide your 'whataboutery' (a device created to subvert fact by rendering it an opinion), that is all you are doing. It's incredibly transparent.
Unbelievably depressing a sizable portion of our support care more abour the summer transfer market than actual human rights. Qatar's state bid triumphing will be a deeply shameful episode in our club's history which will taint us forever.
Why do I get the impression you were masturbating when you wrote that
Uhhh... that picture of Avram Glazer.. it's just a coincidence..
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To be fair I think a fair few of us have said we don’t care about the morality side in our sports teams and just want to compete and the glazers gone. If sir Jim had come in and laid out his plans openly and not got into bed with the glazers I’d be all for him. I think keeping glazers around in any capacity was a red line for a large number of fans and not clearing the debt or making any reassurances around the stadium and facilities was the cherry on top. Like I have said before either he is very bad at PR or he is deliberately holding back such information because he knows it won’t go down well when compared to Qatars promises. I’m inclined to believe it’s the latter because the man is obviously no fool.
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Surely, at worst, the source of the funds will be no worse than City's or Newcastle's owners?
The problem is if they trace the funds back and it becomes apparent it is state backed it becomes an issue due to the fact they already own PSG. That said Ratcliffe also owns Nice but nobody seems to care about that, although the latest tweets suggest he may sell up if his bid to buy us is successful.
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