Club Sale | It’s done!

[AneRu]

... especially if he doesn't have his 'shields' or 'protectors' in Arnold/Murtough who hired him. The problem is the size of the deal -- you would expect to have some quick wins for this sort of price.

Is a cup silverware enough to keep the top management in place? I cant see us winning the league for another 3-4 years. Pep looks like he will stay about few years; Arteta is building something, much to my surprise.

You just have to look at Arteta as a gauge. They have spent big the past couple of seasons but had the patience to stick with him despite two consecutive 8th-place finishings.

Will a person who has spent £ 5 billion be wiling to wait that long? It becomes an ego problem. He would have to face the humiliation of his peers for spending that amount for some minor silverware at best.

I think Arnold and Murtough are gone within a few weeks of a takeover but ETH will stay. People forget that he is a highly rated manager in his own right and he is just a tier below the Zidane, Pep, Klopp and Enrique bracket and out of that quartet only Enrique is a possibility.

ETH is also performing even though he had a difficult start which was more to do with our notorious recruitment issues. For an owner to commit 5b he wont do it without a few football heads advising him and he would have to pick a really thick bunch if they advised him/them to look beyond ETH.

We have the basis of a strong team now and if we added a bona fide 30 goal striker and a ball playing CM we are right in the mix for a title fight next season.

 

[tenpoless]

Investors huh... so businessmen from those country right..? right?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

How come Liverpool can spend money despite being for sale and we can't? Another Glazer's excuse?

We spent all our money in summer transfer window. They didn't.

 

[JPRouve]

How come Liverpool can spend money despite being for sale and we can't? Another Glazer's excuse?

You are linking things that aren't linked. United spent more this summer, unless United are an endless pit of money, the amount the club can spend is finite. And it has nothing to do with being for sale or not.

 

[stoinz]

I doubt if it would happen. Otherwise what's next? Ban alcohol sold at OT? Only halal food sold on the premises of OT or served at Carrington?

They own stakes in Citibank, BOA which aren't exactly following any shariah laws.

I hope you are right. Probably too early to worry when we dont' have a confirm sale. Would be tragic and funny at the same time if they rebrand Devil holding pitchfork to some Lion holding skewered kebab.

 

[sglowrider]

I hope you are right. Probably too early to worry when we dont' have a confirm sale. Would be tragic and funny at the same time if they rebrand Devil holding pitchfork to some Lion holding skewered kebab.

Put the fear of Allah into our opponents!

 

[UnitedSofa]

The unnecessary fear of middle eastern ideology and it “infecting” & “spreading” in the western world is incredible.

Fear of an oil state potentially Changing the club’s iconography and logo based on religious beliefs (which the owners may or may not necessarily follow themselves) is fecking crazy & has never happened.

Imposing sharia law type beliefs on Newcastle and City hasn’t happened and it won’t happen to us either.

 

[sglowrider]

I think Arnold and Murtough are gone within a few weeks of a takeover but ETH will stay. People forget that he is a highly rated manager in his own right and he is just a tier below the Zidane, Pep, Klopp and Enrique bracket and out of that quartet only Enrique is a possibility.

ETH is also performing even though he had a difficult start which was more to do with our notorious recruitment issues. For an owner to commit 5b he wont do it without a few football heads advising him and he would have to pick a really thick bunch if they advised him/them to look beyond ETH.

We have the basis of a strong team now and if we added a bona fide 30 goal striker and a ball playing CM we are right in the mix for a title fight next season.

Thats why for ETH's sake they need a good finish to the season. I am sure the new bosses/consultants will have their own people already calling them up as soon as the deal is warmer.

ETH maybe highly rated but I suspect for someone who has spend £5billion he will want a 'sure thing' like a modern day Jose. ETH wont be seen as that. Thats why I think if its a ME owner he will want Zidane -- a lot of boxes are ticked with this hire.

And ETH stays, he wont have the same backing of Arnold/Murtough -- who I am sure went to bat for him to get our record summer transfer window last summer. Thats just how it works in any company -- you just wont back the person you didn't hire yourself as much as the person you hired.

 

[sglowrider]

The unnecessary fear of middle eastern ideology and it “infecting” & “spreading” in the western world is incredible.

Fear of an oil state potentially Changing the club’s iconography and logo based on religious beliefs (which the owners may or may not necessarily follow themselves) is fecking crazy & has never happened.

Imposing sharia law type beliefs on Newcastle and City hasn’t happened and it won’t happen to us either.

Precisely. Its just fear-mongering on the part of a Chelsea fan.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

The unnecessary fear of middle eastern ideology and it “infecting” & “spreading” in the western world is incredible.

Fear of an oil state potentially Changing the club’s iconography and logo based on religious beliefs (which the owners may or may not necessarily follow themselves) is fecking crazy & has never happened.

Imposing sharia law type beliefs on Newcastle and City hasn’t happened and it won’t happen to us either.

It is odd, would someone buying us being a committed Christian want us being associated with a devil. It wouldn't mean anything. Fred the Red isn't exactly terrifying.

 

[oneway]

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I hope you are right. Probably too early to worry when we dont' have a confirm sale. Would be tragic and funny at the same time if they rebrand Devil holding pitchfork to some Lion holding skewered kebab.

Stop worrying guys these are not Islamic leaders, they have statues and pictures of the ruler all over the place which is not Islamic. My wallpaper picture on my phone is the old emblem without the devil only because I like it. Anyway if they want to produce United shirts without the devil as a choice for the customer then who knows it might make a lot of money.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

They only spent £70m in the summer I think. We spent over £200m. We literally have nothing in our bank currently.

The other reason is that their owners are competent, and the Glazers are a disgrace.

There are Liverpool and Red Sox fans that would say otherwise.

 

[Herman Toothrot]

Ornstein might be respected but he's a huge attention whore.

That statement is Romano levels of waffle.

He was talking about the situation on live TV. Is he supposed to not cover the basic details of a story in case someone hitting F5 on an Internet forum has already seen his previous tweets and articles?!

 

[stoinz]

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Stop worrying guys these are not Islamic leaders, they have statues and pictures of the ruler all over the place which is not Islamic. My wallpaper picture on my phone is the old emblem without the devil only because I like it. Anyway if they want to produce United shirts without the devil as a choice for the customer then who knows it might make a lot of money.

I was half joking about the lion and kebab. .

 

[Castia]

Seems to be plenty of rumours about a Q1 sale so there must be a lot of solid interest.

We need it sorting by the summer regardless.

 

[Member 101269]

They only spent £70m in the summer I think. We spent over £200m. We literally have nothing in our bank currently.

The other reason is that their owners are competent, and the Glazers are a disgrace.

Cash and cash equivalents at end of year . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 121,223 (United)

Cash and cash equivalents at May 31st . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 31,535 (Liverpool)

The latest results, under different regs and time periods. I don't get this, we have nothing in our bank

 

[Cloud7]

I think Arnold and Murtough are gone within a few weeks of a takeover but ETH will stay. People forget that he is a highly rated manager in his own right and he is just a tier below the Zidane, Pep, Klopp and Enrique bracket and out of that quartet only Enrique is a possibility.

ETH is also performing even though he had a difficult start which was more to do with our notorious recruitment issues. For an owner to commit 5b he wont do it without a few football heads advising him and he would have to pick a really thick bunch if they advised him/them to look beyond ETH.

We have the basis of a strong team now and if we added a bona fide 30 goal striker and a ball playing CM we are right in the mix for a title fight next season.

I think ETH will stay on regardless of owner as there isn't really a more promising managerial prospect out there than him, and the only manager who might be seen as more of a "sure thing" than him anywhere in football is Zidane, who doesn't seem interested in managing United or indeed anyone right now. For that reason I think he stays on, and I certainly hope he does.

I can definitely see Arnold and Murtough and the rest of that side of the staff being axed.

 

[phelans shorts]

I think Arnold and Murtough are gone within a few weeks of a takeover but ETH will stay. People forget that he is a highly rated manager in his own right and he is just a tier below the Zidane, Pep, Klopp and Enrique bracket and out of that quartet only Enrique is a possibility.

ETH is also performing even though he had a difficult start which was more to do with our notorious recruitment issues. For an owner to commit 5b he wont do it without a few football heads advising him and he would have to pick a really thick bunch if they advised him/them to look beyond ETH.

We have the basis of a strong team now and if we added a bona fide 30 goal striker and a ball playing CM we are right in the mix for a title fight next season.

Zidane and Enrique

Good one

Fear of an oil state potentially Changing the club’s iconography and logo based on religious beliefs (which the owners may or may not necessarily follow themselves) is fecking crazy & has never happened.

Yes it has. Cardiff City.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Cash and cash equivalents at end of year . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 121,223 (United)

Cash and cash equivalents at May 31st . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 31,535 (Liverpool)

The latest results, under different regs and time periods. I don't get this, we have nothing in our bank

The buggers have emptied the account and legged it.

 

[Skills]

I think ETH will stay on regardless of owner as there isn't really a more promising managerial prospect out there than him, and the only manager who might be seen as more of a "sure thing" than him anywhere in football is Zidane, who doesn't seem interested in managing United or indeed anyone right now. For that reason I think he stays on, and I certainly hope he does.

I can definitely see Arnold and Murtough and the rest of that side of the staff being axed.

Tuchel's on the market.

It'll be down to the new DOF they bring in anyway - that's who ETH will be working for. The new DOF might just want a clean slate and the right head coach to deliver his vision.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

The unnecessary fear of middle eastern ideology and it “infecting” & “spreading” in the western world is incredible.

Fear of an oil state potentially Changing the club’s iconography and logo based on religious beliefs (which the owners may or may not necessarily follow themselves) is fecking crazy & has never happened.

Imposing sharia law type beliefs on Newcastle and City hasn’t happened and it won’t happen to us either.

Didn't exactly this happen with Cardiff?
Not sharia law etc, but changing of iconography, logo, colors etc. based on the owners beliefs and feels?

I don't think it's going to happen either, no matter who buys us, but it's not unthinkable that a megalomaniac surrounded by yes men would be inclined to leave his own footprint on everything (including logo, stadium, colors etc.)

 

[LordSpud]

Better question would be, when have new owners especially sugar daddies come in and stick with the manager for years? ETH is building a project that may not bear fruit for 1-2 years. If we miss out on top 4 I can that being used as an excuse to get rid.

We arent getting Top 4 this season..

 

[Remember the geese]

We arent getting Top 4 this season..

We might do...

 

[DomesticTadpole]

We arent getting Top 4 this season..

Also Newcastle are working on the project basis. Just that it seems to be working quicker. Now it depends how Eddie Howe works in a CL scenario. ETH has experience of the CL.

 

[Cloud7]

Tuchel's on the market.

It'll be down to the new DOF they bring in anyway - that's who ETH will be working for. The new DOF might just want a clean slate and the right head coach to deliver his vision.

True, but Tuchel's last job did not end well. Same with Luis Enrique who I am very fond of.

You may be right in that they may just want a clean slate and this is just me being more hopeful than anything else since there isn't a manager in world football I want more than ETH right now

 

[GaryLifo]

That top 4 race over the next few years is going to see 5 clubs chasing 2 spots. I see City and Newcastle nailing down two of them for years to come. Chelsea, Liverpool, United spurs and arsenal will be killing each other for the other two spots unless United and/or Liverpool get super rich new owners who invest in on-pitch success

 

[Remember the geese]

I see City and Newcastle nailing down two of them for years to come.

Why though? Everyone will have money to spend. Why would they be any better than the others? I get the Pep factor, but he won't be there forever.

 

[UnitedSofa]

Didn't exactly this happen with Cardiff?
Not sharia law etc, but changing of iconography, logo, colors etc. based on the owners beliefs and feels?

I don't think it's going to happen either, no matter who buys us, but it's not unthinkable that a megalomaniac surrounded by yes men would be inclined to leave his own footprint on everything (including logo, stadium, colors etc.)

Slightly less controversial than “just because he liked red better than blue” than based entirely on religious beliefs.

Red was used by Cardiff in 1910 and he made the bluebird more prominent on the crest than the dragon. Which both featured on the crest. While the colours got changed back, the blue bird remains the prominent logo on the crest than the dragon. Similar to our logo which has had slight changes over the years, such as the removal of “Football Club”

Not as radical as you may think. But nontheless the point still stands that nothing has changed on religous beliefs. While Cardiff’s was based on personal tastes it still technically remained true to the clubs ideology. As red has historically been used as the away kit, with blue being the home kit. the change was made in 2012.

Cardiff Kits throughout the years -https://www.footballkitarchive.com/cardiff-city-kits/#2000s

Guardian article on the revert of colours;https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/09/cardiff-red-to-blue-kit-vincent-tan

 

[Plant0x84]

Nearly there.
Q1 For Man Utd Ends Sept 30th each year. Q1 results have already been reported. Q1 of a calendar year is Q3 of Man Utd'S reporting year.
Yeah...that probably doesn't help.

So is it still a game of 2 halves?!! I’m confused!

 

[pacifictheme]

No offence to Cardiff but its not really a fair comparison to one of the most famous football clubs in the world. Very unlikely we would get the same treatment. Feel like users are trying to find anything to fret about at this point.

 

[SouthMancRed]

When there’s potentially half a billion to be made if we change our name to the Crypto arena? That name will change quicker than the new paint drys or the renovations get finished.

Name changes/sponsorship only really works with new stadia. It will forever be Old Trafford to most people no matter what it's officially changed to.

I don't think it's going to happen either, no matter who buys us, but it's not unthinkable that a megalomaniac surrounded by yes men would be inclined to leave his own footprint on everything (including logo, stadium, colors etc.)

So another Woodward. Please God, no.

 

[GaryLifo]

Why though? Everyone will have money to spend. Why would they be any better than the others? I get the Pep factor, but he won't be there forever.

Because they'll likely make another smart managerial appointment. Someone like Enrique and not much will change. Replacing De Bruyne is going to be a huge thing for them though.

 

[phelans shorts]

That top 4 race over the next few years is going to see 5 clubs chasing 2 spots. I see City and Newcastle nailing down two of them for years to come. Chelsea, Liverpool, United spurs and arsenal will be killing each other for the other two spots unless United and/or Liverpool get super rich new owners who invest in on-pitch success

Top 4 becomes irrelevant next season with the CL changes, and the drop off from Pep will be humongous.

No offence to Cardiff but its not really a fair comparison to one of the most famous football clubs in the world. Very unlikely we would get the same treatment. Feel like users are trying to find anything to fret about at this point.

Someone made the very silly statement that it’s never happened, Cardiff situation did exist ergo it has happened, even if the owner later saw an element of sense and changed back.

 

[Remember the geese]

Because they'll likely make another smart managerial appointment. Someone like Enrique and not much will change. Replacing De Bruyne is going to be a huge thing for them though.

They will likely just be one of four or five teams with money, a good manager and top players. Replacing Haaland will be difficult too.

 

[cyberman]

Because they'll likely make another smart managerial appointment. Someone like Enrique and not much will change. Replacing De Bruyne is going to be a huge thing for them though.

They never really made one pre Pep?

 

[Skåre Willoch]

Slightly less controversial than “just because he liked red better than blue” than based entirely on religious beliefs.

Red was used by Cardiff in 1910 and he made the bluebird more prominent on the crest than the dragon. Which both featured on the crest. While the colours got changed back, the blue bird remains the prominent logo on the crest than the dragon. Similar to our logo which has had slight changes over the years, such as the removal of “Football Club”

Not as radical as you may think. But nontheless the point still stands that nothing has changed on religous beliefs. While Cardiff’s was based on personal tastes it still technically remained true to the clubs ideology. As red has historically been used as the away kit, with blue being the home kit. the change was made in 2012.

Cardiff Kits throughout the years -https://www.footballkitarchive.com/cardiff-city-kits/#2000s

Guardian article on the revert of colours;https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/09/cardiff-red-to-blue-kit-vincent-tan

His preference for red is deeply rooted in cultural beliefs (red is considered a lucky color in hus culture), so while not religious, it's the same mechanisms in play. If our new owner is a chinese businessman who considers the devil to be "unlucky", he might just change it, even though it's not based on religious beliefs per se.

Also you got it mixed up - he made the blue bird a footnote on the crest, and the dragon the main symbol. Not exactly a slight change.
However, he backtracked after a while, after both severe fan pressure, as well as underperforming on the pitch. So now they're back to their regular blue shirts and the blue bird again their primary emblem.

Do you think it's a "slgiht change" if we changed our home kits to green and gold becuase we used the same colors more than 100 years ago? Or if we replace the devil with a locomotive becuase we had that as an emblem more than 100 years ago?

(That said, changing a club logo is a lot more common than you'd think. In most cases it's the usual 6 months backlash until people are used to it. Juventus, West Ham, Man City, Brentford, Bristol City, Inter Milan +++ just in the last couple of years.)

 

[stepic]

If a journalist speaking to mainstream public says Q1 of 2023 he means Jan-Mar. He’s not talking to accountants.

 

[sugar_kane]

Genuinely would have rather they’d held off a couple of years before selling to allow the post-Woodward structure and Ten Hag fully bed in.

It’s annoying that them selling now means we won’t get what we need in Jan, but also I’m concerned about the uncertainty this causes behind the scenes while we’re making some positive progress.

 

[UnitedSofa]

His preference for red is deeply rooted in cultural beliefs (red is considered a lucky color in hus culture), so while not religious, it's the same mechanisms in play. If our new owner is a chinese businessman who considers the devil to be "unlucky", he might just change it, even though it's not based on religious beliefs per se.

Also you got it mixed up - he made the blue bird a footnote on the crest, and the dragon the main symbol. Not exactly a slight change.
However, he backtracked after a while, after both severe fan pressure, as well as underperforming on the pitch. So now they're back to their regular blue shirts and the blue bird again their primary emblem.

Do you think it's a "slgiht change" if we changed our home kits to green and gold becuase we used the same colors more than 100 years ago? Or if we replace the devil with a locomotive becuase we had that as an emblem more than 100 years ago?

(That said, changing a club logo is a lot more common than you'd think. In most cases it's the usual 6 months backlash until people are used to it. Juventus, West Ham, Man City, Brentford, Bristol City, Inter Milan +++ just in the last couple of years.)

I stand corrected on both and misunderstood the Guardian article, thank you.

In regards to changing the clubs kit to green and gold that would be a drastic change yes, but because Cardiff were using red as the away kit and blue as the home kit anyway, 06/07, 08/09, 04/05, 01/02 just to name a few. Whether or not it's just a coincidence, they were using red as one of their primary kits (home/away) so not as drastic as imposing sharia law type rules on the club. That was the point I was trying to make. I would argue the logo one is not as stark as the examples you give as dragon/bluebird were on the logo anyway and not something added to it.

 

[Swedish_Plumber]

Genuinely would have rather they’d held off a couple of years before selling to allow the post-Woodward structure and Ten Hag fully bed in.

It’s annoying that them selling now means we won’t get what we need in Jan, but also I’m concerned about the uncertainty this causes behind the scenes while we’re making some positive progress.

Try not to fret about hypotheticals. New owners may already see the positives from the ten hag reign and want to do everything in their power to allow him to continue. They might even want to implement strategies that allow him to prosper quicker and longer!