Absolutely laughable. More pure guesswork to suit your agenda. You're actually shameless (and yet always wrong), it's quite a feat.Club Sale | It’s done!
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Absolutely laughable. More pure guesswork to suit your agenda. You're actually shameless (and yet always wrong), it's quite a feat.Yes it's just that easy
When someone says “I think” it indicates that it’s their opinion
Once again, everyone is guessing. All we can do is speculate at this point in time.
No, that we will be left behind in the arms race if another major club is then owned by a bottomless pit of money.
If our model is SJR and The inept Glazers, we are doomed guys.
Think with PSG it was more about building a brand than a team that could win at the highest level. We are already a world famous name. Whoever buys us needs to realise this and not turn it into an ego trip for their own gratification, but make sensible decisions.
Why does it always end up that this thread turns into two people having an argument for page after page?
I'm curious, have you had a look at our financial reports?
We have no cash, we purchased 200m worth of players last summer with the money for tickets for this summer. We're spending money we don't have and the Glazers were lucky we had so many (maximum amount basically) home games this year to get a few more million in.
We don't just need a best-in-class management because the previous shitshow has left us in a weak position requiring a financial boost just to stay the course which has meant no PL in forever.
Because @pocco thinks he’s a know it all
Maybe Derek Trotter might be our ideal owner.
Except we haven’t. Looking at transfer spend alone ignores the bigger picture, it’s a really naive way of looking at it. City have spent billions upon billions and most of it is hidden. People get surprised at how quickly they can close a transfer while we spend all summer haggling. Then they come out and report a relatively low transfer fee. Wonder how that happens, eh? Negotiations are easier when you can hand black cheques out to anyone that can facilitate a deal.
Whatever you think these oil clubs have spent based on what they report, triple it, hell quadruple it, and you might be closer. It’s all smoke and mirrors, they’re paying millions under the table to anyone with influence to get what they want. And that’s only transfers, they’ve spent a fortune on non-player staff, infrastructure, facilities, everything that goes in to building a successful club.
At least I didn't say vegetables are better than themFruitist.
You can’t come in here radiation shaming like that.
When someone says “I think” it indicates that it’s their opinion
Once again, everyone is guessing. All we can do is speculate at this point in time.
Based on what though? You think SJR is making multi-billion £ offers that he has no intention to honour? You think a guy as successful as him would operate that way? I'm intrigued to hear your insight on this one.
Nice is worse so I prefer PSG.
No, you're making ridiculous claims that rightfully get called out. Meanwhile, you hang your hat on shit sources from twitter or discord chats to make claims that suit the outcome you want.
It is honestly laughable. Every time I check this thread, there's more rubbish from you. I don't see how nobody else is calling you out on it, to be honest.
I believe one of two things will happen. Ratcliffe buys us (50.1%) and keeps some of the Glazers on because not all of them want to sell. I think they do want to sell because I just think it just makes greater sense for them to take the offer and fully cash out.
Either that happens or Jassim ups his valuation once again and beats the INEOS valuation and they all sell to him.
Most likely thing right now is INEOS until Qatar/Jassim makes a more suitable offer.
I’m pretty sure everyone understands that I’m not actually taking them seriously and that it’s a bit of fun when there was absolutely nothing going on. That’s why. Maybe you just misread that.
I’m not actually suggesting that twitter randoms have ITK knowledge
I think it’s pretty obvious that the Glazers don’t want to let go. The optics from Wembley were telling.
I would’ve thought that some encouragement from the Glazers prompted the last bid from Qatar. This Jassim guy is clearly a front but that’s fine. On paper at least, this seems the best option for the club.
My own feeling is that the Glazers won’t sell to ‘Sheikh Jassim.’ We’ll just have to get used to having the combination of the Glazers and SJR running the club long term.
I would’ve thought that some encouragement from the Glazers prompted the last bid from Qatar. This Jassim guy is clearly a front but that’s fine. On paper at least, this seems the best option for the club.
My own feeling is that the Glazers won’t sell to ‘Sheikh Jassim.’ We’ll just have to get used to having the combination of the Glazers and SJR running the club long term.
Yes, because his success as a business man is there for all to see. The finance and funding he has available is there fore all to see. The way he seemingly has approached this whole process with smart moves and professionalism is something I would like our next owners to display.
These are all reasons I am pro-SJR.
Been saying it for agess. Once theres an offer that gives the leeches an opportunity to stay.. all other offers are just pointless. The Qataris are wasting their time and effort now with new bids.. no matter how much it is, they will always go for the one that allows them to cling on to their cashcow in some form..
And as for SJR, for me its certainly an improvement on what we currently have, but worries me that its simply a vanity project for him, where he just wants his name on the club. The issue of the debt is what really worries me. His plan going forward doesnt seem to take care of that side of things too well.. The Qataris were not ideal either but at least they promised to wipe that issue clean.
The Glazers always gonna lean towards SJR offer, but now with this new Qatar bid, I feel this is only gonna drag things out longer again. Not that they will consider the new bid, but more use it now to drag it all out and attempt to squeeze INEOS for even more ££. thats just how they work
And as for SJR, for me its certainly an improvement on what we currently have, but worries me that its simply a vanity project for him, where he just wants his name on the club. The issue of the debt is what really worries me. His plan going forward doesnt seem to take care of that side of things too well.. The Qataris were not ideal either but at least they promised to wipe that issue clean.
The Glazers always gonna lean towards SJR offer, but now with this new Qatar bid, I feel this is only gonna drag things out longer again. Not that they will consider the new bid, but more use it now to drag it all out and attempt to squeeze INEOS for even more ££. thats just how they work
Yeah because they’ve all been attending matches for the last 18 years. Or is it only suddenly during this selling process?
Call me cynical and I’ll call you naive
Just surmising, but I think SJ’s bid is slightly more nuanced than we are giving him credit for.
The man is obviously not a simpleton and has his own experience and experienced team around him.
He, obviously, is aware of more than we are, and we can only speculate, however, it seems to me that he is aware of the division amongst the siblings.
Given his previous posturing he has in excess of £6 billion at his disposal, sure we have never seen it, but the Raine group must have seen at least 5 billion plus.
Clearly he has the means to buy the club and offer more than SJR is offering, currently.
If he really wants the club he could just use that extra finance, available, and undertake some of the plans at a later stage.
Accordingly, the question is why hasn’t he done that? I think he knows his offer is acceptable to some members of the sibling group. However due to their own internal arguments and possibly J and A looking more favourably at staying on he is being frustrated by the Raine group and hence the continuing delay.
He has now raised the ante-and put a deadline on his bid so that they engage with him and is sweetening the deal with more money.
If you are one of the siblings and you wanted out but knew you would receive less money today because A and J want to stay on and that they will receive more money in three years for doing nothing then for any business minded person this is quite hard to accept.
However if all six of the siblings stay on, the rewards of hanging around will then be divided between them, but this means less for A and J, not 18% between them.
If all of them share 18% of the shares then each of them gets 3%. If you think about it, hanging around for 9% makes good business sense but hanging around 3% is much less attractive.
I think, SJ realises this and is now putting a gun to their head to accelerate the process.
The man is obviously not a simpleton and has his own experience and experienced team around him.
He, obviously, is aware of more than we are, and we can only speculate, however, it seems to me that he is aware of the division amongst the siblings.
Given his previous posturing he has in excess of £6 billion at his disposal, sure we have never seen it, but the Raine group must have seen at least 5 billion plus.
Clearly he has the means to buy the club and offer more than SJR is offering, currently.
If he really wants the club he could just use that extra finance, available, and undertake some of the plans at a later stage.
Accordingly, the question is why hasn’t he done that? I think he knows his offer is acceptable to some members of the sibling group. However due to their own internal arguments and possibly J and A looking more favourably at staying on he is being frustrated by the Raine group and hence the continuing delay.
He has now raised the ante-and put a deadline on his bid so that they engage with him and is sweetening the deal with more money.
If you are one of the siblings and you wanted out but knew you would receive less money today because A and J want to stay on and that they will receive more money in three years for doing nothing then for any business minded person this is quite hard to accept.
However if all six of the siblings stay on, the rewards of hanging around will then be divided between them, but this means less for A and J, not 18% between them.
If all of them share 18% of the shares then each of them gets 3%. If you think about it, hanging around for 9% makes good business sense but hanging around 3% is much less attractive.
I think, SJ realises this and is now putting a gun to their head to accelerate the process.
I think it's pretty clear Jim will win with some kind of phased takeover, giving the Gazers a best of both worlds type bargain where they realise large sums now but also benefit from any increase in club value over the next few years.
Qatar will have to navigate back to the character generation screen and see if they can reroll a Liverpool or Spurs fan and try playing the game on an easier difficulty setting.
Qatar will have to navigate back to the character generation screen and see if they can reroll a Liverpool or Spurs fan and try playing the game on an easier difficulty setting.
Not everyone it seemsI’m pretty sure everyone understands that I’m not actually taking them seriously and that it’s a bit of fun when there was absolutely nothing going on. That’s why. Maybe you just misread that.
I’m not actually suggesting that twitter randoms have ITK knowledge
Ok hypothetically if you have bid a final , final take it or leave bid and everyone is under strict NDA’s, if you are SJ and the Qatar consortium would you want SJR to feel confident, so he has no need to bid again?
You might actually bid higher than what’s reported, maybe nearer the £5.6/5.7bn threshold but deliberately leaked to the press that the the bid was $7.5bn including $1bn for future investment, infrastructure and team development when they actual bid might be nearer $8.5bn including future investment.
Maybe, Just maybe the Qataris have finally learnt to play dirty Like SJR?
What's stopping Ratcliffe buying out the Glazers when he hits 51% ownership? Isn't that how the Glazers originally bought the club themselves?
It's almost impressive how the Glazers continue to find new ways for me to thoroughly despise them. If (big if) they sell, they will have presided over a total shit show once the history books are written on their era. And now to top it all off they've smashed a horrific amount of uncertainty onto the club at a time when we need to be backing our first world-class manager since Fergie left.
Bunch of total fecking cnuts is an understatement.
Bunch of total fecking cnuts is an understatement.
The Qatari are out of this now, don't see the point in discussing it much further. Ever since the first bids went in, it always seemed like INEOS were ahead. The Qatari misunderstood and underestimated the process.
You reckon INEOS will be announced over the weekend or next week? Will they be allowed to put money in this transfer window, if they intend to do so, or is it much too late now? The handover will probably take quite some time, no?
You reckon INEOS will be announced over the weekend or next week? Will they be allowed to put money in this transfer window, if they intend to do so, or is it much too late now? The handover will probably take quite some time, no?
it sounds like they'll implement put and call options, which means he'll get the option to buy them out for a premium yeah
You couldn't be more wrong.
Then poster I was referring to said Jassim is nothing to do with Qatari law when I pointed out his Dad used to be in charge of the country and pass these stupid and unfair laws.
This is not a private bid.
Oh wellNot everyone it seems
They haven't though. Jassim has apparently never heard anything back from the Glazers and has had to bypass the Raine Group to try to make an offer. It's just a case of Jassim getting desperate and trying to force himself back into the picture.
Oh no, master Jassim is getting frustrated. Whatever will we do?
It's possible. Feels like he's checking down the side of the sofa at this stage for spare change.He hasn't said anything, but you have made a lot of negative assumptions. So I'm being slightly facetious and saying that it is still possible that he will fund everything (which is actually possible).
Are PSG's finances made public? I'd be interested to know if they have turned over a profit each year since Qatar took over.
Not everyone it seems
Give over. A while back he was making claims based on twitter sources, but refusing to tell us where he was getting this info from. Just because he was wrong and is now pretending it was all a joke, it wasn't.
We've only won the league cup trophy in the last 5 years and failed to advance past the quarter finals of knockout phase in the CL, provided that we even make it into the CL.
PSG has gotten to the CL final and obviously won multiple titles and cups in their own domestic league, while signing some of the best players in the world.
I'd trade for that "shambles" any day.
Could not agree more. Also depressign to see Fergie sat next to one of the leaches at Wembley. He is complicit in their destruction of the moral fabric of the club
He has said that is exactly what he will do. Way before this bidding process and Qatar's involvement, he was on TV predicting that this is exactly how the sale of the club would go when the Glazers decided to sell.
I think it will be a long process from this point, whoever buys the club (if it is sold). The reports of next season seem likely, so where that will leave us this summer I'm not sure. Probably some investment but largely relying on sales to fund purchases.
Plus the state owns a share of QIB, Jassim's employers. It's clear what is happening here.
Its been reported that they will be bought out completely within 3 years time, via expiring put/call options.
The fact that the glazers get to stay on is just semantics.
From the glazers perspective, SJRs bid is the highest. But Jassim is willing to pay more upfront AND has pledged to spend a billion on improving the club. Not that the glazers would give a toss about that.
Contract to say he can’t feck them over?
First of all, how is Ratcliffe playing "dirty"?
Secondly, if hypothetically Jassim wanted to keep the amount of his last bid a secret from everyone, when in reality it actually beats Ratcliffe's offer, what is stopping the Glazers from telling the latter: This is Qatar's last bid, better it or we are going with them.
So even if this was the case, which I doubt, there's 0 incentive for the Glazers not to let Ratcliffe and Ineos find out about it, because they'd likely just better it. Negotiations seem pretty advanced on the Ineos side, so they very likely won't back out now, even if they had to increase their offer, but it probably won't even come to that.
All these imaginary scenarios made up by the Qatari stans seem to be a form of coping mechanism to me.
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