Yep, and it's usually the same old tropes: gloryhunters versus top reds, sportwashing versus greenwashing, lesser of two evils, PSG versus Nice etc.
Just give me some actual news, damnit!
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Just give me some actual news, damnit!
Only slightly?
Or maybe you just didn’t get the joke obviously
Re-posting this again, but this is the best take on the whole thing for me.
Ratcliffe could probably force the glazers to exit immediately based on the call option. However, he would have to offer the call strike price which would be a strange move to do so early. Glazers wouldn’t mind either as the call price would be more than the 51% purchase price. But then that’s the whole point of SJR’s bid. He doesn’t have to pay up the highest bid of the two immediately.
The risk to the Glazers is that if one party does pull out, the remaining bidder has all the leverage
feck the Glazers. That is all.
Not discrediting his business acumen. I mean he’s a billionaire ffs. Running football clubs on the other hand…
If being a good businessman is all it takes, people would welcome Woodward back with open arms...
If we had a crystal ball right now and there was two timelines, two scenarios as such.
Scenario one - The most likely SJR wins, initially there is some hostility as the 6 Glazers now stay on with 20% between them of the club and they still have voting B shares which are 10 * the voting power of the other shares. Joel and Avram stay on the board but SJR is now the controlling share holder and key decision maker. The Glazers will all leave by 2026/27.
Ineos absorbs the club debts, Stops annual interest payments and dividends are stopped in the short term period while the club regains financial health. SJR speaks to the press and decides to start with a £300m Summer Transfer budget, he employs Paul Mitchel straight away but does not sack Arnold or Murtourgh during the changeover. We buy KMJ, M Mount, R Hojlund, D Rice and Diego Costa In the summer and then spend another £100m in the winter on Kane and D DumFries. Basically ETH is backed and left alone to work on his own project, John Murtourgh is demoted to work under Paul Mitchel or let go. United improve, we come 3rd in the PL with 80 points, win an Fa Cup, get knocked out at 1/4 final CL but the club seems to be more stable and revenue grows to £675m, allowing in year 2 the club to really mount a challenge, The profit made will be used however to pay off the existing debt. No stadium development starts and £400m plan will start 24/25 season to upgrade to 90,000.
Scenario 2 - SJ 9-2 foundation won the bid, they immediately take control of transfers, all board members, Richard Arnold, John Murtourgh are all sacked. The debt is completely paid off, a full plan to upgrade the stadium and build a stadium for youth and woman’s team is shown and put into action. A complete new Executive team are employed by 92 Foundation to oversee all key football and financial decisions.
The Qatari connection with PSG becomes more clear now as they take complete control and the following budget of £325-400m net is put in place, ETH is told he can have 4/5 players of his choice but he will have to work with others from PSG with following which will be transferred to United as the club becomes the main objective of Qatar in European football competitions; Mbappe(150m) Hakimi(50m)and Veratti (Free) will all be transferred to United and Maguire(50), Martial(50m) and Sancho (75m) transferred to PSG.
Yep deals like this will be common practice and a new level of cheating will be at play , we thought City were brazen, yes SJR can also do exactly the same with Nice too for exceptional French talent, it’s why Uefa do not like the same owner for two different clubs in European football.
ETH gets KMJ, Diego Costa, V Oshimen, D Rice, M Mount and the spending gross is £550m but the club sell 9 players for £250m due to inflated values being paid by sister club PSG. United now boast a squad in one to two windows that rivals City, they also have the best front three in World football Mbappe, Rashford and V Oshimen. United come 2nd with 88 points but score over 80 goals in the league for the first time in 10 years, They win the carabo cup and Fa Cup, get to SF of CL but SJ and Qatar are not happy as City regained the PL and CL so they sack ETH and employ Z Zidane or Ancelotti and the cycle repeats, off the field the club is healthy, new stadium is agreed to be built over 2/3 years on the same plot of land which means Old Trafford continues until the new stadium opens and then gets turned into 25,000 all seater second stadium for women and youth team. This is all planned for 26/27 season.
Now it’s quite possible that neither of these scenarios play out after takeover but my point is they both have huge pros and huge cons and both have massive uphill battles to win to cure the club from decades of mistreatment from the Glazers, all any united fan wants is simply for the Glazers to leave the club, yes, relinquish control is a start but leave is the ultimate wish and I for one really don’t care who buys the club as long as the Goblins are no longer able to treat us like their cash cow to abuse at will!
Scenario one - The most likely SJR wins, initially there is some hostility as the 6 Glazers now stay on with 20% between them of the club and they still have voting B shares which are 10 * the voting power of the other shares. Joel and Avram stay on the board but SJR is now the controlling share holder and key decision maker. The Glazers will all leave by 2026/27.
Ineos absorbs the club debts, Stops annual interest payments and dividends are stopped in the short term period while the club regains financial health. SJR speaks to the press and decides to start with a £300m Summer Transfer budget, he employs Paul Mitchel straight away but does not sack Arnold or Murtourgh during the changeover. We buy KMJ, M Mount, R Hojlund, D Rice and Diego Costa In the summer and then spend another £100m in the winter on Kane and D DumFries. Basically ETH is backed and left alone to work on his own project, John Murtourgh is demoted to work under Paul Mitchel or let go. United improve, we come 3rd in the PL with 80 points, win an Fa Cup, get knocked out at 1/4 final CL but the club seems to be more stable and revenue grows to £675m, allowing in year 2 the club to really mount a challenge, The profit made will be used however to pay off the existing debt. No stadium development starts and £400m plan will start 24/25 season to upgrade to 90,000.
Scenario 2 - SJ 9-2 foundation won the bid, they immediately take control of transfers, all board members, Richard Arnold, John Murtourgh are all sacked. The debt is completely paid off, a full plan to upgrade the stadium and build a stadium for youth and woman’s team is shown and put into action. A complete new Executive team are employed by 92 Foundation to oversee all key football and financial decisions.
The Qatari connection with PSG becomes more clear now as they take complete control and the following budget of £325-400m net is put in place, ETH is told he can have 4/5 players of his choice but he will have to work with others from PSG with following which will be transferred to United as the club becomes the main objective of Qatar in European football competitions; Mbappe(150m) Hakimi(50m)and Veratti (Free) will all be transferred to United and Maguire(50), Martial(50m) and Sancho (75m) transferred to PSG.
Yep deals like this will be common practice and a new level of cheating will be at play , we thought City were brazen, yes SJR can also do exactly the same with Nice too for exceptional French talent, it’s why Uefa do not like the same owner for two different clubs in European football.
ETH gets KMJ, Diego Costa, V Oshimen, D Rice, M Mount and the spending gross is £550m but the club sell 9 players for £250m due to inflated values being paid by sister club PSG. United now boast a squad in one to two windows that rivals City, they also have the best front three in World football Mbappe, Rashford and V Oshimen. United come 2nd with 88 points but score over 80 goals in the league for the first time in 10 years, They win the carabo cup and Fa Cup, get to SF of CL but SJ and Qatar are not happy as City regained the PL and CL so they sack ETH and employ Z Zidane or Ancelotti and the cycle repeats, off the field the club is healthy, new stadium is agreed to be built over 2/3 years on the same plot of land which means Old Trafford continues until the new stadium opens and then gets turned into 25,000 all seater second stadium for women and youth team. This is all planned for 26/27 season.
Now it’s quite possible that neither of these scenarios play out after takeover but my point is they both have huge pros and huge cons and both have massive uphill battles to win to cure the club from decades of mistreatment from the Glazers, all any united fan wants is simply for the Glazers to leave the club, yes, relinquish control is a start but leave is the ultimate wish and I for one really don’t care who buys the club as long as the Goblins are no longer able to treat us like their cash cow to abuse at will!
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Which scenario has the better morale high-ground?
I like that you're trying to be optimistic but I think both of these are best-case options in either case (maybe except some of the Qatar fan-fiction).
I think the likeliest scenario is Ratcliffe winning, keeping the team in place for the summer because it's too late to change now and spending about what we were going to spend i.e. 200-250m with the same targets.
Ratcliffe has explicitly said he wants organic growth and that's generally a synonym for slow when it comes to established businesses.
Wow, we have now seen this thread morph wannabe corporate finance guys with transfer muppet scenario guys. If we can just combine that with the Swedish fake M&A expert I can finally reach nirvana.
Read my posts I don’t care who wins if anything I probably favour marginally SJR I’ve been consistent throughout so jumping on one post to form an opinion is pretty standard on how the selling of the club has affected united fans and their ability to finally pipe up with a considered, oops make that a non considered opinion, we just need to hate don’t we, I don’t hate, and I don’t care who owns the club going forward providing it’s not the Glazers!
Yep but he needs a big win this summer first out the door to move attention from keeping the Glazers and his poor performance of owning Nice into showing a confident new improved Man United.
So it genuinely could be a big day tomorrow then?
Very frustrating. Sums up last 10 years or so.
Which scenario has the better morale high-ground?
He’s playing Dirty because there is no way he’s keeping the club listed on the NYSE he will move the club to London stock market, he could tell register the club at any point which means any potential future buy out price could result in the Glazers paying capital gains tax on their shares which currently they do not. Kieran Maguire who I do value, also suggested that SJR will not want the club registered on the NYSE, all these are considerations that the Glazers will have to make, I’m sure the lawyers will look at an air tight contracts but I predict that if the Glazers get in bed with SJR, then he will have a very clever clause in the contract that will sting them later on.
Playing dirty, originally no one considered either of SJ or SJR keeping any Glazers on, let me be clear here I hope if SJR wins he f…ks them proverbially up the A.S later on, nothing would give me greater joy !
I mean if the reports are true and SJR is the favourite and they are deep in talks, nothing going to change tomorrow until they're ready to announce the deal with SJR
We’re defo going to get news of some sort tomorrow as that’s when Sheikh Jassim has set his own deadline. If news breaks that he’s pulled out of the running then it’s safe to assume the Glazers are going with INEOS or the dreaded minority investment option.
Good to hear about the Qatari deadline of tomorrow, they've had enough of this charade of being pissed about endlessly.
Shame these leeching fecks couldn't give the club one iota of respect during all of this, but of course that would be asking for too much.
Why worry about being respectful custodians of the club when there's an opportunity to make 10 times what you borrowed from the bank, instead of the 9.5 you've already been offered.
Shame these leeching fecks couldn't give the club one iota of respect during all of this, but of course that would be asking for too much.
Why worry about being respectful custodians of the club when there's an opportunity to make 10 times what you borrowed from the bank, instead of the 9.5 you've already been offered.
HUGE !
Nah, the deal has already gone through and SJR is the new owner.
The press release from SJ is just to save face and show the public that it was him that walked away and not the Glazers rejecting him.
...I know nothing
The press release from SJ is just to save face and show the public that it was him that walked away and not the Glazers rejecting him.
...I know nothing
I'm in the SJR camp now. This guy giving deadlines after underbidding for the 5th time smells very fishy
What's glorious about the prospect of a partnership between Ratcliffe and those two leeches
Woodward would probably make a decent owner somewhere, his problem was the input into the footballing side.
Well for one thing, putting forward a bid that keeps Joel and Avram on board gives him an advantage over the Qatari bid, given that's what they want.
Really hope SJR has one more trick up his sleeve, he can use to massively railroad the Glazer family and take them down once and for all.
100% convinced it will be the latter and the rest of us can say well we did try to tell you
Woodward didn’t intentionally harm the club, he just didn’t know what he was doing half the time.
Let's be real here, the Glazers have set a price and Qatar have failed to bring funds to the table... The only ones pissing about are them, coming back with derisory increases in their bid whilst each time still been below the other bid on the table.
They could have simply just rocked up and matched SJRs offer on their own terms and be done with it.
Just go you ginger twats!
They spent 20 plus billions for 30 days Worldcup. Do you think if the Qatari state want to buy united will do it for business?
There is little indication that Jassim's bid is by any mean state backed. People must use their brains to make their own conclusions, not believe whatever the stupid journalists say.
It’s a record breaking bid for an asset that’s been run into the ground.
Newcastle was bought for $418m, Jassim is offering the Glazers more than 6 billion dollars more than that.
This process has been dragged on by Glazer greed, nothing else.
He knew what he was doing for his own, and the parasites, financial benefits.
Like the parasites, money is the only motivation, the club can rot and fall behind.
He will never get me in his camp unless he grows a set and boots them out PRONTO
If you consider the Glazers and an AI Qatari man simultaneously telling each other to feck off as a big day, then absolutely.
So you think he's a fake Sheikh then?
He has absolutely zero intention of doing that
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