Ineos are getting the gold medal because both bids are a record-breaking valuation for a sports franchise but Ineos is either higher based on the rumours.
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The hypocrisy, you can almost touch it
Just so everyone knows. This is wrong, completely wrong.
I'm sure others have already explained why, I'm just catching up with the thread.
Of watching sport? I would say a pretty large part. The main point is entertainment, but part of the entertainment is banter with friends and rivals. Watching football by yourself, and then never talking about it in public with anyone seems rather pointless.
It's almost certainly Sir Jim at this point, the info is coming from multiple angles.
I know that it's not the case for me, bragging rights is an extremely small part of why I watch a sport.
Yes, we know this. It still doesn’t translate to Qatar not being serious, which is the point I was contesting. People can’t just expect them to pay ludicrous sums. They’ve gone through this process and made a world record bid ergo they’re serious.
What angles?
Is it though?
The Sun posted an article suggesting it. The only other articles I have seen have all referenced the sun.
It's coming from one very shitty angle called the sun.
Sigh...
They are selling their voting rights. Which is why there shares command a premium compared to the current market value of the A shares.
I'm responding specifically to the poster comparing City's owners to INEOS. Owners who cheat are bad owners and their owners are objectively cheaters.
EDIT: If you condone cheating for the sake of winning, you deserve to be shamed.
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That’s just not correct though
They are less important that having cheaters as owners. The key word in what you quoted is "that"
This whole serious point is a misnomer. You either win the race (get United) or you might as well be 5th, 6th or 7th in the process. Same as the league (beyond CL qualification).
And this would apply to us if Brexit Jim buys us. We will compete, his Brexit fans will be happy with the plucky United label and City, Newcastle and whoever Qatar (as I eventually believe they will) buy will keep racking up titles.
And frankly (and this is the for anti-Qatar folk), the bullshit about sustainability can go to hell. We live one life and waiting another 20 years, so we marginally miss out on the title in the style of Arsenal this season has to be the most pathetic attitude I've ever witnessed. It's literally the same dumb argument as Brexit - we'll ruin your life but in 20 years it could be better but we cannot promise anything.
No.. it does. Because it's what these types of owners do...
Source: Every single example of State ownership.
So when you watch Real vs Barcelona, who are you rooting for or bragging to?
Not sure I understand what you’re saying. I think those motivations apply equally to all bidders. Vulture funds might have other goals that I didn’t list, such as obtaining control when an owner defaults on payments, but they aren’t going to be interested in dividends of 25M a year, it’s peanuts on a deal of this size.
Not saying you're a glory hunter, as I don't know you, but generally speaking, if the point is bragging rights and banter, then wouldn't everyone just support one of the top teams?
Either way, your assertion doesn't work for me. Maybe because I grew up in a time before the internet where you didn't come across opposing fans very much, but I generally don't like interacting with opposing fans. I have some good friends that are Liverpool and Chelsea supporters, but we don't really do bragging rights. Maybe some jokes in general (like just yesterday I was telling them that I refuse to ever drink a Carlsberg beer), but not really bragging and rubbing it in about wins and stuff.
Ability to identify with the club is a point regularly missed by the Qatar In side. All the we/us language in football is about identifying with the club. Bragging to City/Liverpool/Chelsea fans is all about saying the thing that I am part of is better than the thing you are part of.
When the club becomes a vehicle to whitewash the crimes of the Qatari state, when thousands of United fans are engaged in Twitter battles denying or minimising these crimes ala City and Newcastle fans, I cannot see those fans as being on my side. Bragging rights are very hollow then.
Every day United fans sink a little deeper...
It's not a conscious choice at all, it's the backbone of their entire business model. Every single one of them.
City are cheats
PSG are cheats
Newcastle are cheats, they've already lied from day one about their ownership
Every. Single. One.
Stop living in denial, stop trying to convince yourselves and others that it would be different at United. Qatar don't care about United, we are nothing but a vessel for them to advertise to the world they are not backwards human rights abusing authoritarian dictators and like the Saudis and the Abu Dhabis before then, they will stop at nothing to push this falsehood.
They work on peoples naivety. You've fallen for it and are already shilling for them...
Can taste it, it's disgusting. Some United fans really do have no shame...
And if he manages to buy out Joel and Avram then point 6 is is walking by the grave of Ian Curtis each week.
When it's signed we will all know pretty quickly. Until the Glazers sign anything it's all just posturing and negotiating tactics from all sides.
Ineos make money, no one wants cash sat in the bank though. So they're using cash/ spending power via loans to buy United with the mindset it will double in value in 10 years. Just a long term investment.
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You are literally spreading bullshit and presenting it as fact and have the audacity to lecture others.
We are going to have to wait and see for the outcome and then what it means for the club. The ones who say they care about the club and would quite happily see it fail as long as we are not owned by Qatar, do not care about the club, it is themselves they care about and being on their moral highhorse. So let's just stop beating about the bush.
Not sure which part of me being surprised if the pro Qatar fans are a majority is being presented as fact.
How would you gauge whether they have a majority?
That is right, so what's the 'sigh' in recongition for?
However the other concern is the quorum and the need to balance and satisfy the Glazers needs to maintain that quorum whilst SJR lacks the voting rights to maintain a quorum.
Hard to count from so high up on that moral high ground.
I am simply saying I would be surprised.
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At least give me some sort of metric to indicate?
Twitter is overwhelmingly pro-Qatar. I think it’s safe to assume most social media is.
Twitter and reality are almost always opposites. Social media in general amplifies the loudest, most obnoxious voices and almost never represents the majority.
So I mean, if that's your basis for Qatar being the majority...
Personally I don't know, but I'd always lean towards anything I read on twitter is probably written by an idiot.
Pretty sure the majority opinion is that either Qatar or INEOS would be fine actually. It's those of us who have a strong opinion who are the minority more than anything.
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