Our horrific decade was set up by the chronic underinvestment of our club for the many years prior.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) are here to give their reaction just hours after the news has broke. Where did it all go wrong for ETH? What's next for United? and what were the highlights?
They also react to United's loss away at West Ham, including a breakdown of that ridiculous VAR decision.
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Btw, I would love to see a quote directly from the Glazers in the last 17-18 years where they explicitly say they are in it just for the money.
Not really. Our horrific decade was set up by terrible management during those decades. Football is a short term, quick turnaround business.
Once again oil money or whatever you want to call it does not mean you have to financially cook the books and cheat.
That’s a conscious choice.
That’s a conscious choice.
For multi billion £ purchase you need bankers negotiating. The sporting people are irrelevant, in fact it’s more worrying if a group already has sporting people taking a look. Ideally you want new owners to come in, assess, then hire best in class
So a world record bid isn’t “serious”? That doesn’t make sense
He says not. He seems to think there would be ways around that.
Ironic thing is INEOS make more money from oil than Qatar. Just shows the ignorance of the anti Qatar agenda
Yeah you wouldn’t want them prepared to hit the ground running when they come in.
It’s incredible how defensive some posters here are of the Qatari bid. You’re like Gollum with a shiny gold ring ffs.
Exactly. If I owned United and had oil money I would sponsor the club in every aspects while respecting market value. And market value for United happens to be equal or slightly above the highest deals.
Shaming people for wanting the club to be successful seems like a very odd hill to die on. Moreover, just because City owners cooked their books it doesn’t mean it would happen here.
If two speedsters run the 100m and both break the world record, does the guy in second still get the gold?
There's your answer.
Let me know if you find one.
Perhaps not. But it would be a surprise if they bought a football club valuing it at £5-6 bill with a plan of making a profit in the form of dividend/rent. That makes no sense.
What do make sense was that a flagship like Man Utd, as the spearhead of a multiclub model, was always Ineos’ objective. In a multiclub model having that flagship will be crucial for Lausanne and Nice, but even more so for Ineos to achieve their targets.
If you want the club to have best in house facilities and stadiums then the Qataris is the best option in the short term.
Ineos could do all this but realistically you are looking at a lot longer timeline for this to be completed 10-20 years.
Ineos could do all this but realistically you are looking at a lot longer timeline for this to be completed 10-20 years.
We need some perspective, City we’re bought by Abu Dhabi in 2008 and they are for all their wealth still waiting to win a champions league 15 years later. Yes they won 6 PL titles and 6 Carabo cups and 2 Fa Cups so basically all that money for a trophy every single year but they have not not won the big one unless they do it this year. PSG are the exact same. Newcastle will also take time to win trophies and when you have all the PL clubs state run, they can’t win all the time.
FFP and FSP will have a huge impact on football clubs going forward and The Glazers model is now simply untenable however a new owner will have the Chance to wipe the slate clean and simply run the club in a much more efficiency way.
If we look at that same 15 year period for Man United, the club has won 10 major trophies, all be it most of them 2008-13, that was the blueprint so we need to find a modern formula of that version of Man United who could and can compete with Man City. We need great payers on the pitch it’s that simple and a great coach.
FFP and FSP will have a huge impact on football clubs going forward and The Glazers model is now simply untenable however a new owner will have the Chance to wipe the slate clean and simply run the club in a much more efficiency way.
If we look at that same 15 year period for Man United, the club has won 10 major trophies, all be it most of them 2008-13, that was the blueprint so we need to find a modern formula of that version of Man United who could and can compete with Man City. We need great payers on the pitch it’s that simple and a great coach.
You just ignored my whole post and only repeated your original quote. Can you find one quote from the Glazers during their tenure where they said they only want to make money off of United and are not interested in our on-field performances. Why would any businessman alienate an entire fanbase stating they are in it for the money.
I understand you are pro-Ineos and anti-Qatar. However I didn't expect you to blindly trust any businessman based on what they said when they have done nothing to back it, on the contrary they have shown with previous 2 clubs they own that they haven't really made any major strides in them.
But there are rules that stop clubs being pumped full of cash by state owners and the like. That’s why city did what they did - to circumvent the rules.
You either dope financially or play by the book. There is no halfway house.
And how does this apply to the conversation I was having or answer my question?
Genuine question - if we assume it is between SJR and Sheikh Jassim (i.e. not the minority investment route) - does anyone know how quickly a deal is likely to be wrapped up once the exclusivity period starts between the preferred bidder and Glazers?
I was very calm about the situation but feel like its cutting it fine now.
I was very calm about the situation but feel like its cutting it fine now.
A better question would be whether the second contestant lacked seriousness.
Thats not true though as you can invest into infrastructure with the owners cash and having the best in class when you get to elite sports that 1% can be all the difference.
So if you have an owner with deep pockets who can modernise all your facilities without any hindrance to the clubs finances that’s a huge advantage?
If you can invest in better facilities and bigger stadiums will that not bring more money into the club allowing them to spend more via the rules? It’s not as cut and dry as you either cheat or don’t cheat, advantages can be made.
If you can no longer do this via FFP then It’s different, but I don’t keep up on the in’s and outs.
And yet that is exactly what the Qatar supporters are doing.
You’re being quite combative, but I asked a genuine question in good faith. I don’t understand why more questions aren’t being asked, even by the most biased fans.
I’m not super interested in a back and forth about INEOS this and Qatar that, just trying to understand why people are so wary of one party (with a sporting background/experience) but are totally hanging on the word of a second party who have little to no sporting experience and who we know VERY little about.
Don’t think anyone knows really. I think we might be looking at another month.
Does anyone know if Qatar / Jassim still has a chance?
A choice that Qatar has made again and again, at PSG and in bribing multiple officials to get the votes to host the World Cup.
Nobody knows anything. If The Sun had a scoop the usual ITKs would have been all over it by now
What is the industry usually referred to as?... Oil and... oil and....
Such a pointless nitpick. It's a small country with a high GDP per capita based on the extraction of a single commodity, and nothing useful to spend that money on. Gas, oil, or any precious metal would be about the same. It's an extractivist economy.
Obviously.
Nobody (other than the Glazers) buys a football club for the short term money it generates. Clubs spend whatever money they earn. If they earn more they will spend more. They are bought for the prestige (fun, sportswashing, greenwashing etc.) or for the asset appreciation over the longer term.
Sir Jim has clearly said that he has INEOS to generate cash, and his other sporting ventures back this up.
I think this is accurate. It’s not necessarily about total value of investment, but about timescale in which this amount is invested.
So why would we accept those motivations for Ratcliffe but not other bidders?
There’s always a chance. It’s not over until it’s over.
It’s already beginning!
Haha, the coat he wears on match days is a pretty parka looking too. Erik gets it.
Are they not to you? Isn't that the whole point?
What kind of fanbase pushes out their horrible owners after 18 years and then starts protesting the new one immediately, because it's not the one the majority wanted?
The Qatar fans are vocal and visible but I would be very surprised if they were anything but a minority just banging on bin lids.
It’s probably 50/50 atm. Jacobs was suggesting that both parties are talking to the glazers.
So you have completely changed your tune.
Bragging rights are the whole point?
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