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You just know they'll be deleting one of those 2 polar opposite claims once this is all sorted, then claiming they broke the news first/early.
Think if the Glazer don't sell, then if they had any modicum of a good reputation in the business world, it will be shot to pieces.
For all those people talking about selling the soul of the club: until 50+1 fan ownership kicks in, it doesn't matter which billionaire owns us, none of them are what I'd class as ideal owners because they all believe having money in their own pockets is worth more than ethics and morals. If you think Jim has more ethics and morals than the guy leading the Qatari foundation, I'd like to see the details backing that up. I don't see anything showing Jim wouldn't do exactly the same thing as Qatari leaders do if he were able to do it and make money from it. It's not like the Qatari guy has a history of wrongdoings as far as I'm aware. Seems he's been mostly under the radar for the bulk of his life.
Given I think the billionaires are all bad people, I weigh up the options like this:
- Glazers out vs Glazers in
- Debt cleared vs Debt remaining
- Poor history of club ownership vs No history of club ownership
- Lower financial investment vs Higher financial investment
Seems like a no-brainer to me. Jim might be from Manchester but so is Liam Gallagher and if Liam were a billionaire I'd prefer some unknown foreign dude too.
Given I think the billionaires are all bad people, I weigh up the options like this:
- Glazers out vs Glazers in
- Debt cleared vs Debt remaining
- Poor history of club ownership vs No history of club ownership
- Lower financial investment vs Higher financial investment
Seems like a no-brainer to me. Jim might be from Manchester but so is Liam Gallagher and if Liam were a billionaire I'd prefer some unknown foreign dude too.
Tbh that looks like in the 4 seasons before Ineos they averaged 6th and in the 4 seasons since they averaged 7th, and for the lausanne, 6 seasons before ineos 4 were spent in the 1st division, 6 seasons since 3 were spent in the 1st division, which does seem to indicate the teams were the same or better before ineos rather than put the argument to bed
Yeah
Fingers crossed. I'm still cautious. This silence isn't good.
You have. Just not in the way you intended.
Would love it if they could fire the Glazers and bosses of energy companies into space. Using recycled fuel of course.
Ruined? No. But done a poor job? Looking at their results, yes, I would say they've done a poor job. If you haven't improved a club after buying them (and I imagine they would have claimed to intend on improving them), it's poor.
Unless you'd be happy with us staying as we have been these past ten or so years?
So, could Qatar basically say: "Hey, we upper or offer with 5%" or was the final round of bids really "the final bids"? Looks like Jim got it but I guess everything that counts for the Glazers is as much money as possible? Maybe Quatar could put in a last minute offer to the Raine Group or is that not possible?
I didn't use the term ruined them. I said that INEOS aren't very good in football. If a company of that size can't keep a Swiss team from getting regularly relegated then....
I've seen that argument way too many times both on here and Twitter (the latter, mostly). I'm not saying Nice and Lausanne have done better, but people are exaggerating saying that Ineos ruined them.
Running Manchester United is also a completely different animal to Nice and a Swiss club.
What was said is that INEOS hasn't improved them and using your own stats that absolutely seems to be correct
There's nothing stopping late bids.
Yeah that's my hope when it comes to Jim. And the fact he seemingly was or is a United fan which might make it more interesting for him to really invest properly. But looking at these two clubs leaves a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to him. Not that a Qatari takeover wouldn't...for obvious reasons.
Right but that's not how the Glazers are looking at it is it.
Glazers POV
More money for us vs Less money for us
If Jassim loses out to SJR he only has himself to blame for not offering the amount of money from his deep pockets to turn the heads of the Glazers. That isn't Ratcliffe's fault.
I'm not sure what people aren't understanding in this thread, if Ratcliffe wins it's because Jassim's offer just wasn't enough, but people are expecting the Glazers should take Jassim's offer even if it's lower than Ratcliffe's, just because it might be better for the club. They don't care.
JFC, that's Mike Ashley kind of bad even for those leagues.
I don't give a flying feck if he's born in Manchester, in Portsmouth or in Blackpool. The thing that matters is that his sporting ventures have been nothing short of shit. Intentions mean shit unless results are there, and Ratcliffe is nowhere near showing he is good at this business.
This is the Glazers. At any time, if any party offer them a few more quid they'll put them at the top of the queue.
Imagine sacking ten Hag after finishing second in the PL on 95 points and losing the CL final.
Imagine sacking a manager because someone like Mbappé is given too much player power and doesn't fancy the manager anymore.
Imagine having a really solid team, but then forcing some unnecessary signing onto a manager because it's a big name, like Donnarumma replacing Navas, or signing a 34-year old Ramos and a 35-year old Messi, simply because they are huge names.
These are the sorts of things I expect Qatar would be doing.
Please point to where you have seen this?
The only thing I have seen confirmed is that Ineos bid will not be leveraged on the club but on Ineos. There is no suggestion he is clearing the club's debt or even renegotiating it.
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/16/sir-jim-ratcliffe-manchester-united-bid-ineos
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That's not what I said... the argument was Jassim would be better because he fell in love with United as a kid, my point was so did SJR so that's a stupid argument to make. I didn't say anything else about money or how he is as a businessman, which Jassim may have over him.
Probably say that about every mainstream newspaper in the country to be honest.
It's a mental argument.
It'd be like trying to extrapolate how well a millionaire is going to look after his brand new Ferrari based on the care and attention he's given to his '16 Ford Fiesta parked up outside the driveway. It's juvenile analysis at best.
And to continue on with the analogy, it's even more mental to twerk for Jassim to take patronage of the Ferrari when we know he's never owned any car before and we don't even know if he can drive.
What a way to move the goal posts.
I think midtable to relegation is considerably worse than EL/UCL despite considerable drop in success in the last decade if memory serves me rightly we only missed out on Europe once and that was 7th under Moyes. Apart from that we’ve been a consistent team in Europe. However you want to spin it, that’s MUCH better than taking a midtable team to relegation. Even being champions to relegation!
SJR will be an absolute disaster
No millionaire would own and drive a Fiesta. Hell, the kids of said millionaire wouldn’t even drive a Fiesta. They’d all want Audis, Beeners and Evoques. Spoilt brats the lot of them!
I can only laugh at this post.
Just as a note, the 4 seasons before Qatar bought psg they finished 16th, 6th, 13th and 4th. Worse than Nice's finishes, so they were kinda the equivalent of a fiesta and they were turned into a Ferrari pretty quickly
Lets say you own Microsoft and are about to hire a new managing director. You get suggested a dude who has previously been managing two 7eleven stores. He hasnt really managed them well.
Are you going to trust him to manage Microsoft?
Also there is no chance our lads would be doing anything dodgy like these lads https://www.redcafe.net/threads/citys-sponsors-do-not-exist.473135/page-7#post-30530405
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I still don’t know what is best for the club. Don’t want state ownership, don’t know if Jim will invest enough in infrastructure.
But how has Jim less love or passion for the club than Jassim has? Jim grew up in the Manchester area and supported the club his whole life. Oke his remarks about the Chelsea season ticket are weird.
But Jassim started supporting the club when they had succes and decided to support them. No problem there ofcourse, but how does that make him more passionate or more in love with the club than Jim?
We have al sorts of strange arguments now, just because no one knows anything.
I still don’t know what is best for the club. Don’t want state ownership, don’t know if Jim will invest enough in infrastructure.
But how has Jim less love or passion for the club than Jassim has? Jim grew up in the Manchester area and supported the club his whole life. Oke his remarks about the Chelsea season ticket are weird.
But Jassim started supporting the club when they had succes and decided to support them. No problem there ofcourse, but how does that make him more passionate or more in love with the club than Jim?
We have al sorts of strange arguments now, just because no one knows anything.
It's hard to keep up here, so can someone summarize for me, who is winning the take over bid?
Irrelevant note as there wasn't any history of Qatar owning another club prior to their takeover of PSG.
Ratcliff owns Nice and we know they are terrible. Suddenly expecting the same owner to be a great onwer just because we are United is laughable to say the least.
No one knows.
By their logic, yes because the dude's skillset would magically upgrade when he takes over at Microsoft.
You're missing my point, to say that Ratcliffe shouldn't be judged on what he's done buying a midtable club is bizarre, when the other bidders also took over a midtable club in the same league and turned them into the best side in the league within about 2 seasons, and champions league finalists in under a decade.
Meanwhile Ratcliffe took over a team in a better position than 2011 psg and so far hasn't improve then at all
Ratcliffe is just an English Glazers. That’s why they get on so well.
He’ll be the same, if not worse than, the Glazers.
Another crap, hands off, out of touch, nepotism over excellence owner. It’s all right there.
He took over Nice, Qatar took over PSG… where was each club before? Where are they now?
It’s blatantly obvious and some of you are deluding yourselves.
He’ll be the same, if not worse than, the Glazers.
Another crap, hands off, out of touch, nepotism over excellence owner. It’s all right there.
He took over Nice, Qatar took over PSG… where was each club before? Where are they now?
It’s blatantly obvious and some of you are deluding yourselves.
I'm sure the folks on Twitter with Qatar flags who have been tying themselves in knots to excuse an oppressive regime are taking this well.
you arent reading the room. Many Utd supporters dont want to be like PSG at all.
PSG fans dont seem overly harmonious at the moment anyway
Gotcha. My bad.
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