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Plant0x84 said:
Well said that man. I’m with you. Some of the comment on here welcoming state ownership, even in jest, are nothing short of disgraceful.
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I'm trying to put myself in their mindset. Maybe that perhaps it's a different type of fan these days but I just don't understand why anyone would care about a club if they aren't invested in the ethos of its genesis and values. Why would you even celebrate a goal? What does winning even mean?

I hate to gatekeep what being a supporter is, I think anyone can "get it" no matter where they are from. I grew up there and connected with Cantona and the class of 92.. whatever you call them. we were a similar age, It felt like a shared story. I find it harder these days but you still see these echos in the likes of rashford (I was so proud of him) and some of the other foreign players (evra, vidic, Martinez)

Do you think these money guys get it? Do they understand the history of the club and what it means? Their ownership is a dilution and anyone advocating for it confuses me. Guy up there says it's not that deep, then why do you celebrate a goal? Why do you even support?

I'm gonna go and watch Cantona go down that slide again.
 
Scholesgoals said:
I'm trying to put myself in their mindset. Maybe that perhaps it's a different type of fan these days but I just don't understand why anyone would care about a club if they aren't invested in the ethos of its genesis and values. Why would you even celebrate a goal? What does winning even mean?

I hate to gatekeep what being a supporter is, I think anyone can "get it" no matter where they are from. I grew up there and connected with Cantona and the class of 92.. whatever you call them. we were a similar age, It felt like a shared story. I find it harder these days but you still see these echos in the likes of rashford (I was so proud of him) and some of the other foreign players (evra, vidic, Martinez)

Do you think these money guys get it? Do they understand the history of the club and what it means? Their ownership is a dilution and anyone advocating for it confuses me. Guy up there says it's not that deep, then why do you celebrate a goal? Why do you even support?

I'm gonna go and watch Cantona go down that slide again.
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Selling to an oil state would be the final act of vandalism and destruction against our once great club by the Glazers.
Anybody who actively welcomes that needs to take a look at themselves.
 
Whilst taking the moral high ground is admirable, any fans leaving the club won't make a single bit of difference
 
Sviken said:
Saudis or Qataris... It makes me sick that football has come to the point where success is based on who can swing the bigger financial dick. I don't even care about the politics, but it just ruins my enjoyment of football. Something needs to be done about this. Why can't UEFA employ the American system of the draft and wage cap?
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There are too many players, from too many countries, with the option of too many leagues. It’s simply too complicated to tear down… and generally people don’t seem to want them to.

Make no mistake: the Superleague was a step in that direction, aiming for an NFL type model for a single European/British league.

But socialism in sports isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. There are a lot of downsides in terms of the stakes and the excitement when a team is essentially guaranteed a place and an amount of money no matter how they perform.
 
Foolsgold21 said:
The amount of twerking to oil states in this thread is depressing
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Agree this is what the City, PSG have done to football. We don't need oil we need owners who will take charge and add funds but also just let the club do it's thing.
 
Foolsgold21 said:
The amount of twerking to oil states in this thread is depressing
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That’s what a lack of recent success and poor board management will do to you. Some people are happy to be hypocrites if it meant you became successful again.
 
Football is important to millions of people around the world for their mental health. Ultimately its a game to enjoy at the end of the day, so I blame nobody for watching it while there is a massive human rights cloud over it. For me, I dont think I could continue to support the club because I'm to far deep into the idea of what this club is. And a oil ownership essentially owns our history and what I love about Manchester United, and I dont think I can support that. But I dont fault anyone who can continue with it. Its hard to fall out of love.
 
arthurka said:
Agree this is what the City, PSG have done to football. We don't need oil we need owners who will take charge and add funds but also just let the club do it's thing.
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When are you going to open your shop where we can buy those flying pigs you're selling?
 
Foolsgold21 said:
The amount of twerking to oil states in this thread is depressing
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These so called oil states wouldn't have to do what City's owners did though. We already make enough money to buy the top players and compete. Surely they just let the club tick along in that regard?

What these owners would be able to do however is clear the debt and massively improve the infrastructure at the club which makes us a far more desirable choice for players to join.

Pandora's box has already been opened by City n Chelsea. Newcastle have now jumped in too. We either join in or get left behind. That's how I see it.
 
I‘ve just accepted it as the next step of evolution in football, after it started to become corporate and sterile at the 80s and 90s. Literally the only people who can afford major football clubs are these types of people. Business people who looking to make profit will tear their hair out at trying to maintain a football club for a long period of time. The only people who can are those with a bottomless pit of cash to burn. The likes of Joel Glazer and John Henry were counting on that ESL going through to keep it going for them but now that’s failed, they're cashing out.
 
FujiVice said:
Football is important to millions of people around the world for their mental health. Ultimately its a game to enjoy at the end of the day, so I blame nobody for watching it while there is a massive human rights cloud over it. For me, I dont think I could continue to support the club because I'm to far deep into the idea of what this club is. And a oil ownership essentially owns our history and what I love about Manchester United, and I dont think I can support that. But I dont fault anyone who can continue with it. Its hard to fall out of love.
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Yes, a more mature way of putting a point across.

Manchester United for me means a lot more than the owners. Manchester United helped me integrate with a circle of friends I didn't have. At the age of 6, I was given a Manchester United player card, dont remember who, but this helped me have the same interests as my friends, and put me on the journey of Manchester United being my first love (corny, I know).

So yeah, as yiu say, Manchester United runs a lot deeper for some than others, and we can all respect each others views, even if we don't agree.
 
Samid said:
Oil money will bring some much needed investment in the summer.

Costa
Hakimi - Gvardiol - Martinez - Shaw
Casemiro
Frenkie - Bellingham
Bruno
Gakpo - Mbappe

Bench: DDG - Dalot - Varane - Malacia - Eriksen - Enzo Fernandez - Sancho - Antony - Garnacho - Rashford - Martial

Bench is not ideal with some deadwood and injury prone players but that can probably wait until the winder window.
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Over how many windows are you seeing this kind of investment take place because IMO it is mind bogglingly unrealistic? Costa maybe. Hakimi is a maybe. Hasn't Enzo Fernandez signed a pre agreement with Liverpool? There is certainly lots of tabloid talk of it and we are notoriously slow in terms of sealing deals. Gvardiol is a maybe and I would personally prefer Kim (Napoli) but linked to Real and no doubt many others in Europe. Frenkie? Not happening. Bellingham? See previous. Gakpo? Another maybe and the one with the best chance overall from that group.

Slysi17 said:
In regards to Qatar, I have never understood why they bought PSG in the French League. I don't watch the French league because PSG win it so easily every season and I imagine hardly anyone watches the French league because its so boring. The only time I watch PSG is in the champions league. It made no sense to me why they didn't buy a premier league club instead. The premier league is so popular worldwide and Qatar are missing out on that.
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Sportswashing was always my view.
 
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Elcabron said:
Thats not what I said. Haven't you run out of daily posts by now?



Yeah I think some sort of co ownership is entirely possible given our valuation. Keeping some ownership allows Joel and Avram to benefit from the euro super league when it inevitably happens. I think they hate selling without benefiting from that.
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What are you saying then. Because you're post clearly said why aren't people ruling out a partial sale. A partial sale is literally the Glazers just getting investment and retaining control. That scenario won't happen. As posters have said no one in their right mind will give the Glazers money. So they will sell. If I have misunderstood your post then I am happy for it to be clarified. Plus why mention my daily posts running out. What has that go to do with anything.
 
red thru&thru said:
Yes, a more mature way of putting a point across.

Manchester United for me means a lot more than the owners. Manchester United helped me integrate with a circle of friends I didn't have. At the age of 6, I was given a Manchester United player card, dont remember who, but this helped me have the same interests as my friends, and put me on the journey of Manchester United being my first love (corny, I know).

So yeah, as yiu say, Manchester United runs a lot deeper for some than others, and we can all respect each others views, even if we don't agree.
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Great post, mate.
 
Some people just have enough on their minds and in their lives, rightly or wrongly, to interrogate the mechanics behind the football they watch. Speaking for myself, I just want to watch the football, and have no desire to politicise it, generally speaking. Not unless I’m slapped in the face by something. I could put the telly on and watch random football matches from random leagues as I do all the time and have zero idea about who owns the clubs, what they represent, who the players pray to or anything else of that nature.

A lot of people simply don’t care. And it isn’t even simply born out of some huge greed because these guys might buy a zillion players for us. Many people didn’t really care about the Glazers either. I mean, we all know that the consensus is that they are poor owners, but what difference does that make at 3pm on a Saturday? A few walked away, but most people continued watching every week for the last 20 years, and will likely do so with different owners too. Certainly, I am one of those people. People don’t approve of certain practices in Qatar, yet they watched and enjoyed the World Cup, because they like football and it helped them.
 
red thru&thru said:
Yes, a more mature way of putting a point across.

Manchester United for me means a lot more than the owners. Manchester United helped me integrate with a circle of friends I didn't have. At the age of 6, I was given a Manchester United player card, dont remember who, but this helped me have the same interests as my friends, and put me on the journey of Manchester United being my first love (corny, I know).

So yeah, as yiu say, Manchester United runs a lot deeper for some than others, and we can all respect each others views, even if we don't agree.
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Good for you to find some friends because of United. I have only made enemies because of it. Basically if this club didnt exist, at least 30% of my daily problems would go away (no co-worker mocking me when we're shite or signed a meme player or when the manager is failing spectacularly). Sometimes I wonder why do I do this but then I remember van Gaal's quote "It is only allowed in sex masochism" and I find peace.
 
Wondering what percent of virtue signalling champions in this thread will actually drop the club when they're sold to oil money. Thinking 5%. Maybe 10%. And those will probably rejoin under different names to protect the virginity of their unblemished souls.

I'll light a lighter for you all while I'm rocking that new kit. Ok actually that's a lie but someone may remember you all fondly.
 
Look I’m definitely not condoning any actions of the oil states but you’d have to be beyond naieve to think that they don’t have their fingers in a lot more pies than just football.

From the computers and software we use day to day to the very country we live in , there is a lot of Middle Eastern wealth and investment funding it to some degree.

In the grand scheme of things a football club is small fry and doesn’t influence how we live our lives. I’m interested in United competing and enjoying the ride.

If you are staunchly against Middle Eastern money I suggest you look up what they invest in (including uk gov) and maybe consider boycotting those things also.
 
People saying they'll stop supporting the club, I look forward to seeing them in the very first match day thread post takeover.
 
Boondog said:
Wondering what percent of virtue signalling champions in this thread will actually drop the club when they're sold to oil money. Thinking 5%. Maybe 10%. And those will probably rejoin under different names to protect the virginity of their unblemished souls.

I'll light a lighter for you all while I'm rocking that new kit. Ok actually that's a lie but someone may remember you all fondly.
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What a terrible post
 
Dion said:
Of course there is, have you ever been to an FCUoM match? There's still hundreds of regulars there who haven't stepped foot in OT in 17 years. The guy and his son who sat behind me for 3 years in the North Stand in 2003~ ish still has a season ticket there and I don't think he's even watched a United game in the pub in that time.
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That is a 100 fans compared to thousands who went back to watch games. And the same will happens whoever buys us
 
devilish said:
If we do end up being bought by these people then I hope that you would reconsider. We are like one big family in redcafe
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I'd never consider leaving Redcafe, but in the case of an oil state takeover, we might have a bit of a civil war going on in here
 
Boondog said:
Wondering what percent of virtue signalling champions in this thread will actually drop the club when they're sold to oil money. Thinking 5%. Maybe 10%. And those will probably rejoin under different names to protect the virginity of their unblemished souls.

I'll light a lighter for you all while I'm rocking that new kit. Ok actually that's a lie but someone may remember you all fondly.
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Anyone who uses the term virtue signalling is 100% a Tory.
 
Nero said:
People saying they'll stop supporting the club, I look forward to seeing them in the very first match day thread post takeover.
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I put myself in that bracket last year and now I’m at the point where I realise that new American/European owners are just going to bleed the club where they can or load it with debt. I can’t abide the idea of us being an Arab state’s crown jewel for sportswashing but at least we’ll be competitive and relevant again, and ultimately I’m here for the escapism and enjoyment factor more than anything else. I won’t stop supporting the club but I think I’ll focus more on the football than anything else.
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
Look I’m definitely not condoning any actions of the oil states but you’d have to be beyond naieve to think that they don’t have their fingers in a lot more pies than just football.

From the computers and software we use day to day to the very country we live in , there is a lot of Middle Eastern wealth and investment funding it to some degree.

In the grand scheme of things a football club is small fry and doesn’t influence how we live our lives. I’m interested in United competing and enjoying the ride.

If you are staunchly against Middle Eastern money I suggest you look up what they invest in (including uk gov) and maybe consider boycotting those things also.
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Dirty money has been propping up Western society for ages, in fact the loot from slavery and colonization could be the major difference between the standard of life between a boy born in Congo and one born in Manchester.

Some of the people frowning on Middle Eastern money on here are probably still employed because their firm survived sorely because of Middle Eastern investment, a big Chinese order or some Russian under the table dealing their bosses made that they are completely aware of but yeah lets draw a line on them owning United.

Another thing is that all these M.E dictatorships are in power because of the direct support from Governments you consistently vote for. My point is we cant pick and choose things we find morally repulsive when, for example, we know that by buying that cheap Chinese phone, we are effectively funding the oppression of millions.
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
Look I’m definitely not condoning any actions of the oil states but you’d have to be beyond naieve to think that they don’t have their fingers in a lot more pies than just football.

From the computers and software we use day to day to the very country we live in , there is a lot of Middle Eastern wealth and investment funding it to some degree.

In the grand scheme of things a football club is small fry and doesn’t influence how we live our lives. I’m interested in United competing and enjoying the ride.

If you are staunchly against Middle Eastern money I suggest you look up what they invest in (including uk gov) and maybe consider boycotting those things also.
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Spot On. If you take Qatar for an example the QIA either own or have massive shares in our banks, supermarkets, properties, travel network, the list just goes on really.

I would go as far saying we’re being hypocrites here for taking their money to build our infrastructure but then kicking up a fuss when they want to buy our football club.
 
hp88 said:
Spot On. If you take Qatar for an example the QIA either own or have massive shares in our banks, supermarkets, properties, travel network, the list just goes on really.

I would go as far saying we’re being hypocrites here for taking their money to build our infrastructure but then kicking up a fuss when they want to buy our football club.
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Have you seen how they run PSG? It's a shitshow. There is no way we could challenge City, Liverpool or even Newcastle if they run us in the same way. If you have to be owned by a state, at least make it a competent one, otherwise what is the point? Being a sportswashing project in exchange of finishing 4th?
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
Look I’m definitely not condoning any actions of the oil states but you’d have to be beyond naieve to think that they don’t have their fingers in a lot more pies than just football.

From the computers and software we use day to day to the very country we live in , there is a lot of Middle Eastern wealth and investment funding it to some degree.

In the grand scheme of things a football club is small fry and doesn’t influence how we live our lives. I’m interested in United competing and enjoying the ride.

If you are staunchly against Middle Eastern money I suggest you look up what they invest in (including uk gov) and maybe consider boycotting those things also.
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Pure deflection again. You’re talking about things people have no say in vs something they currently do. You’re talking about British people who spend lots of time in the CE forum complaining about the government and the shit they do. You’re also talking about basic necessities of modern life, vs football.

I suggest you try to come up with something better if you want a gotcha.
 
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