You have no say. Glazers will accept the highest bid and won't care about fans like you who don't want that.
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I’ve been wondering this. Would certainly be some soul searching to do. I don’t know if a state owned oil club would be something I could support, personally.
It would definitely be the death of the great club we knew and loved from the past.
It's either Arab state or American consortium. There's also no guarantee the club won't be bought with debt attached by either party but it's far less likely with the Arabs and far more likely with the Americans.
It really depends on the incentive for buying the club, we could stay exactly the same with owners that aren't hands on or we could end up like PSG who have owners who meddle too much, and become a total corporate plastic mess, there's also the moral dilemma of being owned by an Arab state that flouts human rights.
Either way, with all things considered, the best thing for the club and for the fans is most likely an owner like City's.
That’s the reality, some people just don’t like to admit it.
God I don't want a US consortium who puts debt onto the club. That would be a nightmare. Really want the club to become debt free from a takeover. Surely an Arab State will beat a US consortium to buy the club if they are serious though. An Arab State is way richer than a US consortium and will bid the highest. Glazers will accept the highest bid. I am 100% sure about that.
What's not to love? In unrelated news I'm about to enjoy a sandwich made out of bigotry and a double portion of useless pieces of shit.
If we are going with a bunch of religious fanatics, i'd rather we go for the one that doesn't murder people in an Embassy and then use their family as a prop for state TV and hugs the son of the assassinated man.
Low bar, but I cannot stomach a Saudi government investment.
Low bar, but I cannot stomach a Saudi government investment.
Why does it feel like all the bad people in the world have all the money ?
I'm just thinking who would I want as an owner and tbh out of all the people linked to a takeover, I wouldn't really be pleased with any of them....
I'm just thinking who would I want as an owner and tbh out of all the people linked to a takeover, I wouldn't really be pleased with any of them....
If you have as much money as these people you can do whatever you want and get away with it.
Oil money will bring some much needed investment in the summer.
Bench is not ideal with some deadwood and injury prone players but that can probably wait until the winder window.
Costa
Hakimi - Gvardiol - Martinez - Shaw
Casemiro
Frenkie - Bellingham
Bruno
Gakpo - Mbappe
Bench: DDG - Dalot - Varane - Malacia - Eriksen - Enzo Fernandez - Sancho - Antony - Garnacho - Rashford - Martial
Hakimi - Gvardiol - Martinez - Shaw
Casemiro
Frenkie - Bellingham
Bruno
Gakpo - Mbappe
Bench: DDG - Dalot - Varane - Malacia - Eriksen - Enzo Fernandez - Sancho - Antony - Garnacho - Rashford - Martial
Bench is not ideal with some deadwood and injury prone players but that can probably wait until the winder window.
Capitalism baby
It's always interesting that people who quote human rights are quite happy to have American owners.
Another 650m and we golden
The Glazers are not the government. A potential Saudi/Qatari investment is a direct investment by government. And we know what the Saudi's have been up to they are all too happy to show what happens when you cross them
Are the Glazers likely very exploitative in their companies, I wouldn't doubt it for a second. But they are not the US government.
I know I am nobody, and that the Glazers only sell to the highest bidder, no matter who that is.
Call me a fairweather fan all you want, but I'd be delighted if it is Qatar. We'd have the best in class for everything - stadium, squad, facilities.
Sick of watching a bunch of parasites hold us back while City are becoming the most elite footballing institution in world football, completely undeservedly too.
Sick of watching a bunch of parasites hold us back while City are becoming the most elite footballing institution in world football, completely undeservedly too.
A good point. All this virtue signalling about women's rights and nothing on the US' stance on abortion, racist police, and the fact they were happy to elect a misogynist and racist not too long ago who was the pride of white supremacists.
The truth is no prospective owner is going to be a bonafide, altruistic example of a human being. I'd include that Brexiteer charlatan Ratcliffe too.
We're going to end up with mega cnuts either way, I'd just prefer them to be loaded and willing to invest heavily in the club without taking too much money out of it.
I really don’t think we do.
If it were 2005 I'd agree with you. The fact is because of the Glazers' mismanagement and neglect we're going to need billions of upfront investment - notably in a new stadium, revamp of our facilities as well as bolstering our squad. We aren't going to have the finances to be able to deliver that, at least not in a timely manner which wouldn't see us fall behind our rivals and the likes of Newcastle in the meantime.
In regards to Qatar, I have never understood why they bought PSG in the French League. I don't watch the French league because PSG win it so easily every season and I imagine hardly anyone watches the French league because its so boring. The only time I watch PSG is in the champions league. It made no sense to me why they didn't buy a premier league club instead. The premier league is so popular worldwide and Qatar are missing out on that.
it’s really not a good point though. It’s totally ignoring the entire point of being against state ownership. The Glazers or whatever consortium aren’t a state.
Politics, they agreed to put x amount of money into France in return for Sarkozy supporting their World Cup bid. Mission accomplished now.
How are people still trying to make a comparison between American citizens and an actual state owner?
It’s utterly absurd.
It’s utterly absurd.
Yeah, I can't see them keeping PSG. That partial sale idea was bizarre, though.
Because they personally don’t have any issue with state funding as long as it’s their club, so want to deflect and make out that it’s everyone else who is in the wrong
Certainly seems that way.
Throwing in the use of “virtue signalling” paints a picture, too.
Oh yep I see. Now the world cup is over. Is it really worth it now. I imagine the French league is so behind the premier league in terms of worldwide popularity.
Certainly. If state ownership comes in, there's no bidding war with any consortium. Its a non-starter.
Absolutely bang on. Give us our oil money come up, god knows we need it. Decade plus of the Glazers draining every drop out of us while putting us 700m in debt and we have facilities that were already starting to be outdated in 2009. I support the badge and the players that wear the badge, not the owners. There isn't some Mother Theresa out there with 10bn to buy the club, improve the facilities and the squad. You're gonna get some type of cnuts either way because that's who has the money to own a club worth 4bn+
Just a reminder Ed Glazer donated money to and had fundraisers for Donald Trump
Because it doesn't stack up for a partial sale.
If the Glazers teamed up with an oil state and remained in control, that would absolutely end me
I know it’s unlikely though
I know it’s unlikely though
What if we combined the two and had USA as a nation take us over?
People would no doubt be split down the same lines as they are over state ownership already. Let’s not pretend the US government is in any way popular or held up as any kind of moral authority.
Not that it would ever be on the cards, of course.
I agree it's not a straight-forward comparison but the Glazers themselves have 'donated' to people that are guilty of a lot of what the post talks about.
Also, if the Saudis were to buy us, it would technically be a 'private' investor and then we need to start distinguishing between private in different countries. It might even be the same for Qatar to allow them to circumvent the PSG issue.
After reflection, I've come to the conclusion that if Utd aren't competing at the top, they're suffering in misery because they will always be expected to compete at the top.
And the safest way to secure competitiveness at the top is to have an owner that can compete financially with the other state run clubs, and have no barriers to investing in first rate infrastructure. If we get some consortium of yanks hoping to sell us on for profit in years to come, I fear the handbrakes that accompany that business model will inevitably hold us back, particularly over a 10-15 year timespan. Without a billionaire owner who's willing to pump his own cash into the club, I feel we'll get left behind not only by City, but also by Newcastle.
It's sad that it's come to this as I don't believe state ownership should ever have been allowed in the first instance, but we are where we are and we have to do what it takes to compete.
And the safest way to secure competitiveness at the top is to have an owner that can compete financially with the other state run clubs, and have no barriers to investing in first rate infrastructure. If we get some consortium of yanks hoping to sell us on for profit in years to come, I fear the handbrakes that accompany that business model will inevitably hold us back, particularly over a 10-15 year timespan. Without a billionaire owner who's willing to pump his own cash into the club, I feel we'll get left behind not only by City, but also by Newcastle.
It's sad that it's come to this as I don't believe state ownership should ever have been allowed in the first instance, but we are where we are and we have to do what it takes to compete.
I think opposition to state ownership is a bit of a pedantic bone to pick. Would it be more palatable for you if it were a genuinely independent and wealthy Qatari?
Easily. Genuinely independent being the key part.
Thats not what I said. Haven't you run out of daily posts by now?
Yeah I think some sort of co ownership is entirely possible given our valuation. Keeping some ownership allows Joel and Avram to benefit from the euro super league when it inevitably happens. I think they hate selling without benefiting from that.
To be fair they have made donations to both political parties. This is fairly common as wealthy individuals and entities have to ensure they can curry favour with those who hold political power.
Probably true but I just don't think there's all that much in terms of nastiness, really.
There is no such thing as an independent wealthy Qatari or Saudi, just like there is no such a thing in China. You're always subject to the state's whims.
So what many are saying is that they want another US consortium to buy and I really don't
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