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Club Sale | It’s done!
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Well played
Yes, Mike Keegan, who has been a mouthpiece for Qatar's PR team this whole process reported that Qatar's rival for the bid are proposing something that most of the fanbase would hate. I'm not saying it isn't true, but it's at least worth some skepticism.
And really, at the end of the day, the only reason we don't like the Glazers maintaining 20% is just out of spite. It would have no great or lesser effect on the club than if they were bought out completely. Except, perhaps, if it makes it easier for Ineos (or Qatar under the above hypothetical), to allocate money to the stadium/training ground updates that would have otherwise gone to Joel and Avram's pockets.
It's just an annoyance having the names of such distasteful dickheads registered as part owners. But you know what? We will have distasteful dick heads as the majority owners even in a full sale, whether that be Ineos or Qatar. As long as the Glazer fecks lose all power and control over the running of the club, I will be content and the club will be better off.
Yeah, but we don't know how the A/B shares thing actually works.
If it were as simple as you suggest, we wouldn't be talking about Joel and/or Avram.
Because no buyer would have to worry about them - they could just buy out the others and presto.
ETA Joel and Avram are minority share holders as such. And they also own a minority of the shares owned by the Glazer family as such (the other siblings own a majority of the Glazer family shares).
So, again - just buy the shares not owned by Joel and Avram...and presto.
Only - not presto. Because it doesn't work like that. Or it may not work like that.
Based on what we know about the A/B thing, if Joel and Avram refuse to sell - they can actually remain in control of United even if the others decide to sell.
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Yes!
Rude.
Im pro-INEOS, of the options we have now, never pro-Glazer.
Never lived in an INEOS town have you pal?
SJR's an aresehole.
I can think you can show disdain for Sir Jim teaming up with the Glazers and still prefer it to the status quo. Just being it's a shit option, doesn't mean it's not better.
We're hardly talking about bastions of virtue with any of the parties involved. Arsehole in the grand scheme is probably about as positive a word toucan use to describe any of the proposed bidders.
There are far, far worse words that can be used for some and the current mob in charge.
What’s an INEOS town?
A nightmarish place where kids joy ride in F1 cars and gangs of cyclists race on pavements. Then after dark, the All Blacks come out to heap misery on residents.
It's not all bad though, some say it's Nice enough.
Agreed, it's best to be practical. Also two of the Glazers isn't the Glazers as a whole. I think most of us have enough experience to know that when family is involved you don't necessarily do what you want to do, we know that the others only care about money when it comes to sport but we don't know what Joel and Avram would do or want to do if they don't have to take into account the majority of their family.
I get that people will likely take that negatively because as a family the Glazers have been a nuisance but Ratcliffe leading United while two Glazers are beside him as minority shareholders is a good enough outcome for me.
Fecking bastards, doing their Haka all hours of the night and knocking wheelie bins flying chasing their eggs!!
Announced on the 30th to make the fan protests moot. Guaranteed!
We can't have progress within our club without a full sale.
The problem with this thinking is that it is based in the past. The oil money simply was not around when Busby and Ferguson bult their teams, it arrived in the latter part of SAF reign but the impact was still only beginning to be felt. The very real fear that all United fans are grappling with is that we are dealing with City already and now have Newcastle to contend with also. Clearly Qatar wants a PL club and if it is not us then it will most likely be Liverpool or Spurs and as we already know they will ultimately find a way to outspend and outbid us at every turn. I don't want to be an oil club but then I don't think any club should be owned as a sportswashing project but the reality is that what I want and what is going to happen are two entirely different things.
We have no divine right to be at the top of the game and if we have 3 or 4 domestic rivals with spending power beyond our wildest dreams we face the prospect of having to be content with moral superiority and the occasional cup run.
I may actually batter one of those reporters some day. You have to be a special kind of moron to call this takeover, protracted.
Yes to A and C. Only time will tell whether B happens, however I feel we'll be far more decisive in the transfer market.
This would be one of the biggest perks of this deal for me. Making all you Qatari apologists mad whilst the Glazers lose control of the club anyways.
You don't speak for everyone
Glazers + SJR = putting more rats back to Manchester United.
Woodward says hi.
Correct, there is supposedly something where if a Glazer sells their shares to people outside the family, they conver to A shares, as has happened when some of them have done just that.
HOWEVER, thats not government regulation. It's the company's rules which can be changed. If this is something SJR is actually proposing, then it is clear that he is working with Joel and Avram on this, too, because for him to have +50% and Joel and Avram to maintain 20%, would require buying a few of Joel and Avram's shares as well (they own more than 20% combined now).
I think we can be certain that such a deal would be structured so that that rule is voided and that SJR is buying control.
You would have thought so but clearly the ones who detest state ownership haven't been swayed at all by Ratcliffe joining Glazers
We’ve won very little since 2013 because we have been run appallingly by a bunch of clueless goons. We have made some shocking signings and terrible decisions, and poured good money away after bad.
Financially even with paying for the Glazer debt and dividends we have still matched our opponents. We have broken numerous transfer records - just generally on the wrong players. Our managers have all been backed but they have been the wrong managers.
This influx of state money has achieved very little so far - even city struggled until they got Pep. A fat bank balance is nice but it’s not the decisive factor.
You'd have to think that if the Qataris thought the Glazers would only sell for £6bn, they'd have simply put the money up in full long ago. History shows that when the Qataris really want something, they have both the desire and resources to get it pretty much every time.
Thing is though, he isn’t. If he’s going to spend billions to buy control of the club then he will be calling the shots - guaranteed. That’s a very different prospect to minority investment propping up the Glazers ownership and leaving them in control.
Why does the "Sir" carry so much weight? So many in here are seemingly tied to some kind of dated etiquette rule that forbids them calling the guy Ratcliffe.
SJR, fine. I don't want to have Dallas flashbacks. Sir Jim? That's just . But of course, I wasn't raised in a society that inexplicably decides to entitle someone for something.
SJR, fine. I don't want to have Dallas flashbacks. Sir Jim? That's just
. But of course, I wasn't raised in a society that inexplicably decides to entitle someone for something.Sir Jim is = Sheikh Jassim. They both have their titles. We can’t refer to them both as SJ!!Why does the "Sir" carry so much weight? So many in here are seemingly tied to some kind of dated etiquette rule that forbids them to call the guy Ratcliffe.
SJR, fine. I don't want to have Dallas flashbacks. Sir Jim? That's just
I know a title when I sees 'em
Why not Dick1 and Dick2?
Ratcliffe is a chancer. I don’t trust him at all, he just looks like the kind of person who would run us into the ground.
I have nothing to base this on. Just a hunch.
I have nothing to base this on. Just a hunch.
If you were made a sir, you'd be Sir Mr.
Wow.Good post.
Theoretically the Glazers will have no more power than any other minority shareholder, and they won't get special treatment on dividends (I'm assuming).
I'd even throw in a board seat for each of them. For all their faults, they've done some great commercial deals and we can surely use them on that side. As long as they're not leeching off the club or holding any actual power, I'm fine with it.
You know exactly where I’m going with a post like this. I can’t help myself!!
Such a one track mindYou know exactly where I’m going with a post like this. I can’t help myself!!
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