Great post. I agree entirely. Far too level headed for this thread!
Club Sale | It’s done!
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I've not followed the thread for a while as nothing seemed to be happening but last time I did, it was becoming more and more apparent Joel and Avram wanted to remain involved, and at that point, pushing for a full sale seemed futile.
As @Adnan said a few pages back, donytt be surprised if Qatar end up offering a similar deal and then watch how some posters suddenly open their eyes and see the game plan
Hurrah for Zilliacus!
If Ratcliffe even countenances letting those 2 leaches stay on it's a sure sign he'd be a shite owner in the short and long term.
Jimmy over Qatar any day.. do it Avram.
Jim can get fecked
I knew his bid was dodgy from the start
Enemy of the club now that cnut
I knew his bid was dodgy from the start
Enemy of the club now that cnut
Including peddling every possible lie on the Qataris despite being continuously called out on it.
Reasonable as always.
Jim and The Glazers can go club together buy Liverpool, along with their leeches. A match made in heaven
For example….??
Always said he was a rat.
He made the same mistake as the every other journo when he mistakenly reported bid had been placed and he also had to backtrack.
It is though, because 2 of them seemingly do not want to sell, so with that in mind, a full sale at this point seems unlikely.
It's easy to suggest other bidder's just chuck a another billion at them to make them budge, but things aren't really that simple. You can't force them to sell from a starting point of zero. But you can force them out if you gain control and majority ownership.
Yeah, my read on the situation is that Joel and Avram believe there is still room for significant growth in the market due to the inevitability (in their eyes) of the Super League. As such, they'd like to retain some of their stake in the club, and not miss out on the growth in the club's valuation. However, the club needs a capital injection due to its financial situation. So to them, a partial sale that guarantees this injection of capital into the club would be preferable to a full sale, unless the full sale occurred at a significant premium ($6B is the number that's been cited).I've not followed the thread for a while as nothing seemed to be happening but last time I did, it was becoming more and more apparent Joel and Avram wanted to remain involved, and at that point, pushing for a full sale seemed futile.
As @Adnan said a few pages back, donytt be surprised if Qatar end up offering a similar deal and then watch how some posters suddenly open their eyes and see the game plan
Source?
This is a man that championed Brexit but lives in Monaco. This is a man that swore he would build factories in U.K. but went back on his word.
He wants the Ineos name attached to United for greenwashing, doesnt actually care about the club.
No potential owner who cares about the club would countenance any deal that lets such deeply unpopular owners cling on.
The Glazers...
Dont be unreasonable mate
My problem is the thought of the Glazers allowing INEOS total control of the club and their investment. Going from owners to that doesn’t make any sense at all. Why wouldn’t they just accept investment and stay on as controlling owners?
None of this makes any sense. There isn’t a chance the Glazers are keeping their investment in the club and not having a role in how it’s run.
Agree.
The Malaga angle for example, and several others. You know very well how you have been operating in this thread while at the same time making calls for people to objective. I don't think I have ever seen a user being called out so many times on this forum yet continue with the same behaviour. Maybe that popular Spurs fan who I don't think is here anymore.
I thought he was a UTD fan? Why the feck would he even consider this!
But they wouldn’t be clinging on. They would cede control of the club. It’s would be INEOS to do with as they please.
You trust that snake
you would be blinkered to think they wouldn’t have any influence still and expect to get their dividends. At least now they would know to just do without.
It is quite amusing people still trying to defend him after this latest development.
Deplorable character.
If true it looks a very smart move by Jim to get himself into the hotseat where he can then force the remaining Glazers out which he surely would.
The man knows his business
The man knows his business
For me, the key to this being acceptable, basically the only way I'd support it is that Ratcliffe or indeed anyone else gains control of the club.
The two Glazers having 10% each but not being able to make decisions or influence the club is absolutely vital. Otherwise it's no different to a hedge fund investing in the club.
Beyond that, I would expect Ratcliffe or anyone else to turn the screw and force them out.
Again, needs to be stressed that all of this is hypothetical seeing as we have no real evidence of this even being offered by Ratcliffe.
He's the billionaire Bojo. He's doing his best, local lad and a bit of a laugh.
I support the Qatar bid and have no illusions what's it about. But the hypocrites calling this development good have shown themselves to be pretty shameless/delusional/naive, select as appropriate.
It is quite sobering that we are seemingly staring down the barrel of the worst of both worlds, the questionable new and old owners.
I cited Malaga simply as an example that Qatari ownership isn’t automatically the carefree utopia some have it pegged as. It is entirely possible that Jassim proves to be a terrible
owner.
In fairness as such an example, it probably has as much importance as the Nice/Lausanne rubbish the pro-Qatar lobby keep pushing but there we are.
In terms of being called out, I prefer the term ‘conversation’.
Quite appropriate
Ratcliffe couldn’t afford to get the Glazers out anyway without incurring more debt so we would be stuck with them for a long while. All the same time they’ll probably continue to push for United to be in the European Super League as well.
It's still better than the likes of the Carlyle Group. Qatar will pay up though.
Really? I would never have guessed!!
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