I did have an inkling Sir Jim could end up teaming up with the Glazers, it's part of the reason why Qatar is the preferred option. We want those leeches out of the club.
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Really weak and pathetic argument. I would be against China, Russia, the USA, etc. any country buying us. Qatar is run by some of the most horrible humans on this planet, just like the countries I mentioned.
Likely an attempt to smoke out mega money from Qatar. However, as long as the chuckle brothers are not in control of the club, I will take it. Especially if the alternative is them staying in control.
I'm pretty sure that was a London Stock Exchange thing.
This is true, but if they are out of control they would fade away I think.
Bet the cnut keeps the debt and does nothing about the stadium situation.
Interesting. Where does it say the debt isn’t paid off and the glazers still have a controlling stake?
Oddly enough 12 months ago when the protests involved SJR masks it was on the basis of his spokesperson saying he wanted to buy a stake with a view to controlling the club. So it seems it was glazers minority shareholders back then…maybe we’re letting perfect be the enemy of good here and have all been bought off by the promise of unlimited funds.
I don't know if they can or they can't, but the Glazers hanging around with a non controlling stake would be the same as them fecking off as far as I'm concerned.
This. I expect Qatar to offer something similar, knowing they'll probably lose to SJR if they don't.
I suggested this was a likely outcome a couple months ago and was ripped up and down for it.
The way I interpret it is that Ineos would pay about £2.5bn now for a controlling stake. Then buy the remaining 20% off the Glazers once the capital investment is done
Means Ineos have more money to spend on improvements in the short term, and the Glazers make more money in the long term
Glazers would be pretty much done at United I think, they’d just be waiting to sell the remaining shares
The Glazers being minority shareholders would have no impact on whether he is competent or not. It might be only way they’ll sell, his preferred option would be for them to be gone I’m sure as they contribute nothing.
If things go well people would quickly lose interest in the Glazers being minor shareholders, if it’s a disaster SJR will get all the heat either way as he’s in control.
It actually shows Qatar's strength where Jassim had to pander to the Glazer's preference, as INEOS couldn't match Qatar's full take over bid.
They'd still have voting rights and they'd still receive a dividend. I'm not sure we can afford to do that with Sir Jim refusing to remove the debt that's currently on the club and not yet mentioned how he's going to pay off the new debt he's collecting from buying the club.
I doubt people were ready to accept the reality back then mate
But the way SJR kissed the glazers ass last summer should have had people considering it.
Oh my god, a single individual with his company behind him couldn't compete with a whole fecking state!
Qatar, so strong!
I'm not an expert on board governance by any means, but my understanding is if INEOS has 51% of the voting rights, the Glazers might as well not even have a say. I don't think the dividend policy would remain in place either, at least not until our finances are under control.
There are, of course, nuances to this, such as certain legal protections for minority shareholders - but again, not something I'm qualified to discuss.
There’s absolutely zero point in a new owner coming in, glazers staying and the debt not being removed 
Looks like this makes Ratcliffe the front runner. PL clubs will be happy with this, club will remain much the same.
Qatar needs to massively over pay now to oust all the Glazers, not sure they will. Shame really.
Qatar needs to massively over pay now to oust all the Glazers, not sure they will. Shame really.
There’s no question any more, this is Jimmy boy’s account.
Not necessarily. Usmanov did not sit silently even though Kroenke had a controlling stake at Arsenal. He became an activist shareholder and kept blocking privatisation of Arsenal and stirring up conflict. How is that good for the club?
Can easily see the same happen with us if this deal were to go through. Additionally, how are they going to raise funds for the stadium redevelopment without clearing the debt? The club’s current debt position makes it difficult to take on any significant amount of more debt.
Yeah that Radcliffe is a proper egit!
Keegan is stating again - as he has all the way through - that they are only interested in 100%. What this does do is make their bid very interesting…how high will they go? The Elliot stuff has always seemed unviable to me but this is a genuinely attractive option that will suit all Glazers.
Oh right? Fair enough.
Like I said in one of my my previous posts, I expect the Qatari group to go down the same route and offer the Glazers a non controlling stake if it comes down to it.
I'd rather the club is sold fully than the Glazers staying in any capacity. But I would prefer to see the Glazers with a non controlling stake than a controlling stake in the club if it came down to it.
The 6 Glazers have between 10-14% each if I remember correctly.
IIRC, Kroenke had the largest stake but not a majority. So nobody had 51% of voting rights. Significantly different situation.
That’s billionaire p.o.s to you!
Finding excuses for modern day slavery is fine, like we have seen dozens of posters do that in the last few months. Staying level headed about this news is where you draw the line.
Alexa, show me how a proposed new owner can lose all the support of the entire fan base…
Probably by the Xenophobes here
British Glazer X American glazers
Terrible outcome, we are fecked
Terrible outcome, we are fecked
I wouldn't be suprised if the Qatar group ups their offer considerably..
Who says Qatar is the preferred option?
Whataboutism, excellent, we really are in a political thread now.
Jim a fecking dreamer, don’t think he had the cash in the first place for a complete a takeover let alone invest in the club, our situation won’t get any better under him. It’s either Qatar or stick with the Glazers at this point.
I'd certainly question some of Jim's morals, but it's hardly racist to question Qatar's morals with their atrocious human rights record.
This is why sportwashing works, but whatever.
I would have been happy with either SJR or SJ before, but this pushes me fully into the Qatari camp.
Glazers remaining as minority shareholders wouldn’t be a disaster, but I just want them gone.
Glazers remaining as minority shareholders wouldn’t be a disaster, but I just want them gone.
Kroenke had increased his stake to 67% with Usmanov left with 30% in 2011. Even though Kroenke had the control of the board from then, things did not become smooth till he acquired the remaining stale in 2018.
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