If only the club wasn’t paying off a debt of multi billionaires…..but yeah let’s feck the working class
Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
If only the club wasn’t paying off a debt of multi billionaires…..but yeah let’s feck the working class
That won’t buy you much in M&S
You can get paying customers instead
These aren’t just any vouchers. They’re M&S vouchers!
I just don't see the logic really
probably isn't even doing it to save the money, which is feckall lets be honest, but trying to show everyone who's boss
old school tory twats still think that way
probably isn't even doing it to save the money, which is feckall lets be honest, but trying to show everyone who's boss
old school tory twats still think that way
Should have been a £40 INEOS voucher. Missed opportunity.
Someone on reddit pointed out that this saves around £72k which is one week of Malacia's salary. Cutting the bonus of a cleaner to keep overpaying mediocre footballers is disgusting. Why don't our fans start demanding that these players be forced to take a wage cut instead of ticket price increases or cutting the pay of those who need it the most. It makes me sick.
I can't wait to find out what shithousery Ratcliffe has lined up for next week.
Everyday there's a new tweet about how greedy Jimmy is. But keep in mind that most billionaires are like that, if they aren't doing something greedy, they still benefit from it somehow. What I don't get is the cutting of christmas party, how much would that cost anyway... seems petty to me.
It’s just so destructive to the culture of the club, one to the very few things left from our glory times. No way it’s a net positive to save those 20 fecking thousand pounds. It’s as sad - if not more sad - than our results on the pitch. And it makes me very sad there won’t be another Kath Phipps, that the club employees feel abandoned by the club for the first time in decades. All to save a fraction of a weekly salary of one player or a fraction of what Ratcliff earns daily.
If I were not a United fan I’d probably actively cheer for our further downfall and would welcome the news our management is so out of touch
Will see how serious INEOS are in coming summer when I see them kicking out underperforming players out of the club. Otherwise this staff cut, party cancellation means nothing.
Company I work for nearly always has a Christmas party, well since I’ve been there and costs around €10000 every year and over 400 attend, €10000 is not a lot, This year instead of that, they have allocated money for each team for lunch out or a evening meal out . Much cheaper but at least appreciated, INEOS should have done something like this, keeps morale boosted, appreciation and doesn’t cost a fortune. Morale boosts productivity, productivity boosts results, results boosts winners. Don’t we want to be winners again?
It means nothing anyway. The costs are so small they will make zero difference to our ability to shift or sign players
I think we're dangerously close to failing FFP/PSR, this is us scrambling to ensure we pass adopting a 'any means necessary' approach.
We just paid 2-3m for a sporting director only to sack him after 5 months and pay him additional compensation. That’s at least a hundred to two hundred times the amount saved on cutting Christmas vouchers.
And that is why I feel were dangerously close to failing PSR/FFP, because of the mistakes made and the cost to rectify them.
I do understand the frustration from fans on this but there are multiple ways to look at this.
Staff getting bonuses cut and losing their jobs is never a good sight to see.
Firstly, none of us know how many staff Manutd had, an internal review was conducted and I have been at companies where a new MD or someone comes in and the first thing they all look at is overheads. 90% of new owners will look to streamline an operation.
So for instance if you have 3/4 staff members doing a job 1 can do it, they are obviously going to take the option to become more efficient.
Everyone talking about wages and x number of staff equates to 1 players weekly wage, this is the problem at Manutd under the glazers, the players were all overpaid.
But what we don't look at is that INEOS are also looking to cut players wages, look at the new signings, none of them over 250k, whereas under Glazers everyone joining starts with 200k.
Whilst you cant just rip up a Rashford contract, they are looking to sell, there are various reports suggesting it.
Staff getting bonuses cut and losing their jobs is never a good sight to see.
Firstly, none of us know how many staff Manutd had, an internal review was conducted and I have been at companies where a new MD or someone comes in and the first thing they all look at is overheads. 90% of new owners will look to streamline an operation.
So for instance if you have 3/4 staff members doing a job 1 can do it, they are obviously going to take the option to become more efficient.
Everyone talking about wages and x number of staff equates to 1 players weekly wage, this is the problem at Manutd under the glazers, the players were all overpaid.
But what we don't look at is that INEOS are also looking to cut players wages, look at the new signings, none of them over 250k, whereas under Glazers everyone joining starts with 200k.
Whilst you cant just rip up a Rashford contract, they are looking to sell, there are various reports suggesting it.
That's true and there are strong indications that United indeed did build up quite a lot of overhead. Sacking people due to economical constraints is never nice, but sometimes necessary. After all, United is not a welfare organisation but a profit oriented entertainment business. And while the employees who stay may be sad about losing their esteemed colleagues I think a lot of them would understand that it's necessary to streamline the staff.
However if you look at things like reducing the christmas bonus or cancelling the christmas party, you really have to wonder: These measures might be financially equivalent to sacking four or five employees, but affect hundreds instead. Way to go to destroy the mood for everyone.
I agree, there is also a point of staff motivation right? When you keep seing cuts and a christmas party / bonus reduced, the motivation levels drop, which is also something that INEOS will have to look at.
They can't just go cut monies everywhere and not care about staff, it doesn't give a good look.
all while the mood around the club is plummeting down, surely affecting the team as well in the end. horrible publicity as well.
Now, I'm all for getting rid of half or three quarters of the squad. And I think we need to. Hence why I am actually hoping we finish outside the Europa spots this season, lest we actually win the Europa and qualify for the CL (which is impossible to not want). Then we can carry a lighter squad next season.
But I don't think briefing that almost all the squad is sellable - like we did numerous times last season - is a wise strategy now that negativity surrounds the whole club and we're trying to get something out of these players. I think it's a very long shot that we could get rid of many this January. This kind of thing would be better briefed around May or so.
Or even better: Never. Announcing to the world that you want/need to sell loads of players doesn't help you in transfer negotiations. We have seen the conditions of the Sancho loan to Dortmund which were quite terrible for United, we will see more of such deals when the vultures come to prey on United's squad knowing that United needs to get rid.
- All staff toilets are now paid. Costs £3.78. Coins only. No change given.
- Daily emails for the next couple of weeks to passive-aggressively imply that you're a cnut for not donating/not donating enough to the whip-round in memory of Kath the receptionist. All proceeds to the INEOS Foundation.
- On-site catering now provided by Subway. Limited menu featuring tuna and that type of bread nobody orders. Motorway service station pricing model.
- Silly hat hour at the end of every third Friday to boost morale. Attendance mandatory. Time unpaid. Silly hats not provided.
And you’d still have people saying how shrewd they are and how where we are is a collective responsibility of all Man Utd employees.
Company I work for turnover about 15 billion a year and we only get a £20 voucher for Xmas, which I'm fine with. Utd employees still getting more than most people get
Can’t help but think this is Ashworth leaking it. People said he looked angry as he left after the Forest game. Realistically if this is true, who would know? INEOS, Berrada, Wilcox, Amorim and Ashworth. Who is most likely to leak it ?
Morale around the club must be so low at the moment. They should be thinking of ways to lift things and get everyone going, not more cost-cutting and tinkering around the edges.
INEOS were never going to have more support than the year or so following their buy in. Feels like that has been botched at this stage.
INEOS were never going to have more support than the year or so following their buy in. Feels like that has been botched at this stage.
I really do worry about morale. The players are told they might not fit in and there's a possibility of being sold. Staff are sacked and those that remain have long standing perks removed. Fans are subject to immediate or future price increases. Even the directors aren't safe. Is there anyone this man hasn't pissed off. If Fred the Red gets downsized, I'm done......
I am not a UTD fan, but am coming here in peace. You can be rivals on the pitch, but these clubs are also businesses with employees and I dont think anyone rational hates the other ¨company¨if that makes sense??
It's really bizarre - most (elderly) owners getting into football do it as some sort of vanity project or leaving your mark. You have all this money, now you want to be loved/known/respected/relevant....
You look at the Thai guy who bought City earlier - was skint but did it for ego
Michael Knighton and his keepy uppies
The Middle Eastern owners more recently buy clubs and then throw money at them, and promise fans all sorts of new toys. They dont want confrontation, they want that new owner glow
SJR seems to have said fck that, and gone to war. You could make a legitimate argument that he has attacked every single group:
match going fans, honorary club guests, club employees, senior management and also players.
The guy is 73 now - this (very) tough love approach might work, but it would be a 5 yr plan at least. So he will be the bad guy for 5 yrs, approaching his 80s?
I just dont get it
It's really bizarre - most (elderly) owners getting into football do it as some sort of vanity project or leaving your mark. You have all this money, now you want to be loved/known/respected/relevant....
You look at the Thai guy who bought City earlier - was skint but did it for ego
Michael Knighton and his keepy uppies
The Middle Eastern owners more recently buy clubs and then throw money at them, and promise fans all sorts of new toys. They dont want confrontation, they want that new owner glow
SJR seems to have said fck that, and gone to war. You could make a legitimate argument that he has attacked every single group:
match going fans, honorary club guests, club employees, senior management and also players.
The guy is 73 now - this (very) tough love approach might work, but it would be a 5 yr plan at least. So he will be the bad guy for 5 yrs, approaching his 80s?
I just dont get it
I don't think it's a great strategy from INEOS to publicly let our squad know that they're mostly trash who we would sell in a heartbeat, even if it's true. We can't really afford any further dip to morale.
Glazers must be laughing their cocks off. Getting Ratcliffe as a firewall was a stroke of genius.
That £40 M&S gift voucher is going to be split between 20 staff members.
Can you point me to where INEOS let this be known publicly?
If we win our next 5 games, everyone will forget about Radcliffe’s “shithousery”.
What’s he said now ?
Scrooge McRatcliffe
Makes sense. Watching a few a Ashworth interviews from his time at Newcastle, Brighton and just in general. It struck me how he always emphasised his duty involved with men’s & women’s team, amongst all the other things he did.
At the same time I kind of understand Ratcliffe. The men’s team are the ones struggling, it’s the men’s team that brings in the majority of the revenue. That’s not to say you ignore the women’s team. But clearly as a business and a sports club it’s the men’s side that needs fixing.
At the same time I kind of understand Ratcliffe. The men’s team are the ones struggling, it’s the men’s team that brings in the majority of the revenue. That’s not to say you ignore the women’s team. But clearly as a business and a sports club it’s the men’s side that needs fixing.