Club ownership | Senior management team talk

They have failed the club.

Crazy that the only attacking player we brought in was a player that doesn't score goals. How can you be worse than WW?
 
This brings us right back to the problem with minority ownership though. Unless the Glazers agree to a corresponding dilution of their equity, there's no logical reason for INEOS to invest more money and give the Glazers a free ride.
Yes. I was addressing another point though- JR investing the maximum he could under PSR. There isn't a maximum.
IF the financial well being of the club was uppermost in the thoughts of the principal parties then the deal could have been structured differently- more to the club and less to the other shareholders upfront. INEOS would have been in exactly the same position (economically and control wise). But the Glazers are the Glazers and ultimately they call the shots.
 
I can't believe that just one loan striker was really so much to ask for this window. I was very aware we couldn't do a permanent deal after Dorgu
Yeah I do agree. I don’t think it would have even been difficult to find someone who would become our main goal threat for the next 4 months either.

I’m being really hopeful/deluded and assuming Amorim either wants to get the best out of Hojlund and Zirkzee rather than loan in someone they have to send back in May. Or they will be promoting a player from the youths who they want to develop.
 
I think the turn around can be quick if they target the right areas to improve and the right players to come into those areas of weakness. INEOS's biggest feck up was to neglect the midfield last summer and it seems they didn't realise what the actual problem was with the team and why things weren't functioning. So keeping ten Hag was fine but not understanding what the issues in midfield were, came back to bite them. Ten Hag wasn't going to survive without a functioning midfield because in his 3rd season at the club, we just had to see a more proactive team with and without the ball and the player the club gave him was a reactive midfielder which is why his club at the time wanted him out.

Every player at the club has to be a attacker in possession and a defender out of possession. This is the level a club of our stature needs to adhere to and fixing this will alleviate a lot of the issues within the team. The question isn't the system or formation but the question should be why we as a club have failed for over a decade to be a more proactive attacking team with and without the ball. And the midfield is quite clearly a big weakness and it's why we don't create enough goal scoring chances.

I think if they neglect the midfield in the next transfer window then I think it will be very difficult for Amorim to survive in the job. Signing young wingbacks like Dorgu and Quenda is exciting along with another striker but if the midfield isn't up to the task when it comes to progressing the ball and compacting space against the opponent's transition then I very much doubt the system of play will be very fluid.

So the next summer window is a big one and I'm hoping they get it right and identify the weaknesses in what is holding the team back from playing a more expansive game. You get this right and the rest will fall into place and alot of the anxiety that is built up among some of the fans will be alleviated.
 
I'm not particularly surprised at our situation with the lack of a striker or attacker coming in, but I am disappointed. It's a glaring issue and we've not addressed it. It does put pressure on us to get it right in the summer and should be the top priority. But, in the meantime, we're going to struggle for goals until then. I'm pissed off at Rashford, Sancho and Antony for not being here and doing the business at our club, and putting us in a position where we have to play them elsewhere. I'm pissed off at them, I'm pissed off at the senior managers for putting us in a position where we paid lots of money to these guys with high transfer fees for Sancho and Antony and high wages for all 3 - plus other wasted money on Mount and Casemiro. We've tried to stumble from one window to the next without a plan and it's finally caught up with us and bitten us right where it hurts.

The pressure to get it right in the summer window is huge. Insurmountable, really. There's so much wrong and we're in real trouble if we don't get that one right. The next decade could really hinge on this next window and I don't think that's an exaggeration.

They could have our best window in a long time and still wouldn't win me back over. They burnt away any belief I had in them when keeping Ten Hag after a dreadful league campaign.
 
What is going on at our club??

This feels vaguely like asset stripping at this point. There's so many players we have sold or let go that would improve us at the minute, and we aren't signing ... anyone? I don't understand the rationale. Is it the removal of the entire squad the current objective?

We barely have any attackers left. Whatever else Rashford and Antony were, they were at least bodies to make up a match day squad. Who's left? Mainoo at 10 just feels like it's going to stunt his development as a proper midfielder, the same way shifting Phil Jones to every position seemed to do for his career ostensibly as a centre back.
 
The briefing was that Tel was too expensive as a loan, and Bayern were not willing to give option to buy, which is why we pulled out.

Well, Spurs are currently negotiating and trying to add option to buy for Tel. If this happens, people will be left with eggs on their faces.
 
The briefing was that Tel was too expensive as a loan, and Bayern were not willing to give option to buy, which is why we pulled out.

Well, Spurs are currently negotiating and trying to add option to buy for Tel. If this happens, people will be left with eggs on their faces.

You know what I hope Spurs get that option to buy because it will show these clowns right up
 
The briefing was that Tel was too expensive as a loan, and Bayern were not willing to give option to buy, which is why we pulled out.

Well, Spurs are currently negotiating and trying to add option to buy for Tel. If this happens, people will be left with eggs on their faces.
He's not worth a £5m loan fee, assuming it's also an expensive option on top I think it's a good move to pass.
 
Out of all them Berrada strikes me as a serious guy but how has he allowed this to happen? You could see this disaster coming a mile off and they’ve done nothing. Loans are achievable before anyone mentions money.
 
Out of all them Berrada strikes me as a serious guy but how has he allowed this to happen? You could see this disaster coming a mile off and they’ve done nothing. Loans are achievable before anyone mentions money.
Was there a reason we didn't look at Morata on loan? He would have seemed an obvious experienced stop-gap striker.
 
What is going on at our club??

This feels vaguely like asset stripping at this point. There's so many players we have sold or let go that would improve us at the minute, and we aren't signing ... anyone? I don't understand the rationale. Is it the removal of the entire squad the current objective?

We barely have any attackers left. Whatever else Rashford and Antony were, they were at least bodies to make up a match day squad. Who's left? Mainoo at 10 just feels like it's going to stunt his development as a proper midfielder, the same way shifting Phil Jones to every position seemed to do for his career ostensibly as a centre back.

Honestly wish I knew, how I wish there were more buyers for this club than the fake sheikh
 
Out of all them Berrada strikes me as a serious guy but how has he allowed this to happen? You could see this disaster coming a mile off and they’ve done nothing. Loans are achievable before anyone mentions money.
It’s not numbers that are the problem but quality. I don’t think we could have got a more talented player than Rashford in on loan, so why spend the money just for the sake of it?

We have been trying to reduce the wage bill so even without a loan fee it’s still pointless to load up the squad with warm bodies and undo the work of moving Rashford wage.
 
I guess this is the route we are taking to start this cultural reset. I'd imagine everyone this year has essentially written off the season. I guess that's why we haven't been linked seriously with a forward. It is disappointing as all I really want to see is enjoyable attacking football. There is literally no experience up front which is probably why we are so ineffective up top. If there was to be a purchase up front it was either going to be a panic buy or a situation that presented himself out of nowhere.
 
It’s not numbers that are the problem but quality. I don’t think we could have got a more talented player than Rashford in on loan, so why spend the money just for the sake of it?

We have been trying to reduce the wage bill so even without a loan fee it’s still pointless to load up the squad with warm bodies and undo the work of moving Rashford wage.
Numbers are absolutely a problem. Might want to check that again.
 
Was there a reason we didn't look at Morata on loan? He would have seemed an obvious experienced stop-gap striker.
AC Milan wanted a purchase option/obligation for him, and I doubt that United would accept that as part of the deal.

He's not worth a £5m loan fee, assuming it's also an expensive option on top I think it's a good move to pass.
Correct. If Spurs are successful in inserting the purchase option, it'll be for the €60m package that they offered earlier.
 
I guess this is the route we are taking to start this cultural reset. I'd imagine everyone this year has essentially written off the season. I guess that's why we haven't been linked seriously with a forward. It is disappointing as all I really want to see is enjoyable attacking football. There is literally no experience up front which is probably why we are so ineffective up top. If there was to be a purchase up front it was either going to be a panic buy or a situation that presented himself out of nowhere.

Bit depressing writing off season in February, however have definitely switched off in League until August, so may as well rest players for Europa League in March
 
Numbers are absolutely a problem. Might want to check that again.
Nah, we have 4 players who can cover the 9 position. We have players to cover the 2 tens, and we have a couple now who can play false 9 if we need it. Wing backs were our greatest need (especially left) and we have addressed that at least. They are key to the way Amorim wants to play.
 
AC Milan wanted a purchase option/obligation for him, and I doubt that United would accept that as part of the deal.
Apparently Galatasaray paid a €6m (£5m) loan fee, which does seem too pricey for half a season. The option wouldn't be a problem as we could just decide not to trigger it.
 
So the party line is that making the team worse in January sets us up to give Amorim what he needs in the summer.

So then we should be expecting 6-7 first 11 player signed to give him a near total revamp that he needs to play his formation.

Anything less than that and they are lying. But we all already know they are lying already
 
Apparently Galatasaray paid a €6m (£5m) loan fee, which does seem too pricey for half a season. The option wouldn't be a problem as we could just decide not to trigger it.
According to their official statement, it's a year-long loan from February 2025 to January 2026. The fee is for that whole year instead of the 6 months. Even then, AC Milan wanted to sell Morata, originally, so United wouldn't have been in a favourable position from the start. The only reason this deal includes a purchase option is because Galatasaray added an option to extend the loan for another 6 months after the initial year.
 
Ruben Amorim said this was the worst United squad in (PL?) history. So the natural move was to move out two attackers, get in a kid to play left wing, and see if that works. :lol:

No way this gets ugly from here, right?
 
He's not worth a £5m loan fee, assuming it's also an expensive option on top I think it's a good move to pass.
The loan fee was always going to be something like that - loan fees for first team players between clubs the size of United and Munich aren't going to be much lower.

Also, if the 'option to buy' was high, we didn't have to insist on it. We needed someone to tide us over to the summer before reassessing more than we needed a long term signing right now.

I'm happy for that player not to have been Tel. People are now pointing out all the reasons why he wasn't the answer - the worry is that the club seem to have spent all the window thinking he was, and pretty much having him (and maybe Nkunku) as the targets.

If he's definitely not the answer, and the club were right not to opt for a raw 19 year old on loan - why did they seemingly spend the window settling on him as the first / only choice? Only to finally come to the same conclusion as others as late as transfer deadline day.
 
The biggest f up they’ve made was keeping ETH on in the summer, this led to us buying his players yet again, Zirkzee, Maz, De ligt, another 100 mil spent.

INEOS have seen the error which was caused by Ashworth and fecked him off.

In terms of January recruitment, I think there aren’t many players available who would improve us who we can afford right now. I mean we can’t even manage a 5 mil loan fee for tel.

I think they are doing the right thing not rushing into things. This season is over anyway. All it’s about now is getting the players accustomed to Ruben’s system. There’s gonna be pain lots of it from now until the end of the season. But I feel it’s the right way to go.

By the summer Ruben and the Ineos will know who suits the system and is willing to adjust. The others can be phased out, sold from the summer onwards. This is when we can start our proper recruitment.
Ashworth wasn’t at the club at that point and it was Brailsford that pushed hard to keep ETH in the job even though Brailsford is not in any way at all a football man and his speciality is meant to be as a data crunching performance director and is a cycling coach who became close to Ratcliffe through the Ineos cycling team.

So we simply repeated the fecking mistakes of the past by allowing non footballing people to make the biggest decisions in Brailsford keeping ETH on and Berrada pulling rank and bringing Amorim in, we brought Ashworth in to be the “head of the footballing department” and then let Brailsford and Berrada pull rank over him and go with their choices.

Ashworth wanted Thomas Frank or Eddie Howe to replace ETH as Ashworth’s job was to assess what was needed, decide on a style of play, an identity and then implement that from the first team all the way down to the academy and set up our scouting network to find players to fit so all the head coach would do is coach the squad and pick the team and formation wise as well as PL experience wise he decided they were the best two choices to lay the foundations.

Berrada wanted Amorim even though he knew Amorim was married to 3-4-2-1 and we neither had the players to play that nor the money to bring players in for Amorim’s system to work, Berrada as CEO had no right at all to choose the head coach just like Ed Woodward and Richard Arnold didn’t either but pulled rank and convinced Ratcliffe that Amorim was the man.

That’s why Ashworth left as he’d seen Brailsford convince Ratcliffe to keep ETH on which was a massive and costly mistake as we then gave ETH another £180 million to spend then brought in RVN and Hake then just a couple of months later fired them all then Ashworth saw Berrada bring Amorim in against his advice and cost us a load more money so Ashworth obviously saw his job as pointless as he wasn’t listened to even though he was meant to be head of the footballing department and they were his decisions to make.

Where do you think we’re going to move players on to so we can bring money in to fund giving Amorim the players he needs to play his system ? Rashford on his wages isn’t going anywhere for £40 million whilst the likes of Antony, Sancho, Casemiro, Zirkzee and Malacia will at best cover their PSR book value and then there’s those out of contract like Lindelof, Eriksen and Evans.

Then there’s the money to fire ETH, RVN, Hake and all of the staff to be taken into PSR account as well as the money to bring Amorim and his staff in and that’s before you even look at the fact that we could only bring in a young left wing back from a relegation bound Lecce on the back of loaning players out to get them off the wage bill which allowed us to make an initial instalment payment with the fee for Dorgu spread over 5 years.

This idea that we’re going to do what we always do and spend £150-£200 million in the summer is unlikely as we’ve got low cash reserves and close to the limit for PSR and years of mismanagement have finally caught up to us, we’ve been using a credit card facility to fund our transfer business for a few years which should tell you enough about where we are now financially.
 
According to their official statement, it's a year-long loan from February 2025 to January 2026. The fee is for that whole year instead of the 6 months. Even then, AC Milan wanted to sell Morata, originally, so United wouldn't have been in a favourable position from the start. The only reason this deal includes a purchase option is because Galatasaray added an option to extend the loan for another 6 months after the initial year.
Ok, that's more reasonable. I guess we weren't interested for some reason — I think he's had a lot of personal problems recently. Plus poor form.
 
The loan fee was always going to be something like that - loan fees for first team players between clubs the size of United and Munich aren't going to be much lower.

Also, if the 'option to buy' was high, we didn't have to insist on it. We needed someone to tide us over to the summer before reassessing more than we needed a long term signing right now.

I'm happy for that player not to have been Tel. People are now pointing out all the reasons why he wasn't the answer - the worry is that the club seem to have spent all the window thinking he was, and pretty much having him (and maybe Nkunku) as the targets.

If he's definitely not the answer, and the club were right not to opt for a raw 19 year old on loan - why did they seemingly spend the window settling on him as the first / only choice? Only to finally come to the same conclusion as others as late as transfer deadline day.

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