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God forbid someone would get rid off that debt and the Glazers and invest proper money in the club
The biggest f up they’ve made was keeping ETH on in the summer, this led to us buying his players yet again, Zirkzee, Maz, De ligt, another 100 mil spent.
INEOS have seen the error which was caused by Ashworth and fecked him off.
In terms of January recruitment, I think there aren’t many players available who would improve us who we can afford right now. I mean we can’t even manage a 5 mil loan fee for tel.
I think they are doing the right thing not rushing into things. This season is over anyway. All it’s about now is getting the players accustomed to Ruben’s system. There’s gonna be pain lots of it from now until the end of the season. But I feel it’s the right way to go.
By the summer Ruben and the Ineos will know who suits the system and is willing to adjust. The others can be phased out, sold from the summer onwards. This is when we can start our proper recruitment.
INEOS have seen the error which was caused by Ashworth and fecked him off.
In terms of January recruitment, I think there aren’t many players available who would improve us who we can afford right now. I mean we can’t even manage a 5 mil loan fee for tel.
I think they are doing the right thing not rushing into things. This season is over anyway. All it’s about now is getting the players accustomed to Ruben’s system. There’s gonna be pain lots of it from now until the end of the season. But I feel it’s the right way to go.
By the summer Ruben and the Ineos will know who suits the system and is willing to adjust. The others can be phased out, sold from the summer onwards. This is when we can start our proper recruitment.
I can't believe still bring out the 'Glazers/Ineos' don't spend nonsense
It’s nothing to do with resources. Jim has put the maximum amount allowed into the club under PSR. We are literally losing too much money for them to correct by just putting their own money in.
Amorim has maintained the whole time that it was one in one out in January, and shockingly, with Antony and Rashford, we saved roughly what we spent on Dorgu. I would imagine they asked which position he would prefer to upgrade and he asked for a wing back.
I’m surprised we couldn’t get a striker, but if Bayern were asking £5 million for a striker with no goals, we might as well have just kept Rashford.
The Glazers have invested feck all in the club.
It’s quite impressive how polarised the views are in this thread. To me personally it’s frustrating but necessary to get the club back on track in the medium term.
We could have tried to spend our way out of it like we have in the past, taking on more debt and further weakening our financial position, spiralling into a worse and worse position (that is how we got here) but Ineos have taken the bold and correct decision to put the brakes on that strategy, no more throwing good money after bad, reduce costs and get us back to a sustainable position and then grow from there.
It’s a short sharp shock to get us back on track and Amorim is the right man as part of that senior team to manage the squad through it.
We will be able to spend in the Summer and next season we could easily have an exciting young team capable of competing for top 4 and be in a position to be able to spend again to strengthen key positions the following windows without having to worry about a total rebuild or taking on debt.
We could have tried to spend our way out of it like we have in the past, taking on more debt and further weakening our financial position, spiralling into a worse and worse position (that is how we got here) but Ineos have taken the bold and correct decision to put the brakes on that strategy, no more throwing good money after bad, reduce costs and get us back to a sustainable position and then grow from there.
It’s a short sharp shock to get us back on track and Amorim is the right man as part of that senior team to manage the squad through it.
We will be able to spend in the Summer and next season we could easily have an exciting young team capable of competing for top 4 and be in a position to be able to spend again to strengthen key positions the following windows without having to worry about a total rebuild or taking on debt.
Not the point
Yes it is
Thank you for telling me what my point is
Ashworth wasn't even a club employee when INEOS (supposedly at Brailsford's insistence) decided to keep ETH.
Blaming Ashworth for it after sacking him seemed like a post-hoc rationalization to make the sacking seem more justifiable.
I don’t know how anyone can say it isn’t different to the Glazers, it’s clearly not going well so far but it was never going to be a quick fix.
At some point the club was going to have to confront the reality that we were an absolute shit show on and off the pitch. The Glazers just ignored it and made it worse, now someone is trying to confront it so it’s a different approach which is extremely difficult short term but has to be done for the longer term.
It’s a kick in the balls how far we have fallen in terms of our ability to act this transfer window. But previous failings like spending 150m we didn’t have in a panic on Casemiro and Antony were an absolute disaster.
It’s now all about what they can do in the summer, can they offload a number of players and bring enough in who improve the team. The decisions being made now might be paying off in a year or they might not have made a blind bit of difference. The manager and some of the new structure won’t survive of this window isn’t our best one in a very long time.
Yeah, Glazers gone at last forever, debt also at last gone forever, top players coming into the squad in every transfer window, CL football every year, state of the art stadium, so much worse you're right. Thank God we have top red Jim as Glazers partner instead.
Yeah there was definitely better out there, unfortunately they left it too late to find anyone
If finances are that bad it won't matter who the manager wants because he'll be stuck with this lot.
With an exception of a handful, nobody wants these players given the wages they'll be on. And I bet he already knows who's good enough and who isn't, and I suspect most fall into the latter category.
Amorim should have stuck where he was. He's probably knocked back the City job this with his mate going there.
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Only this time you have some people lapping it up.
It's a brilliant new strategy to leave the manager with two underwhelming strikers who can't score...
So incredibly frustrating how gullable many are
I think the Bicycle team they bought also fell off a cliff.
Their successful project of Nice sits in 35 in europa league. Second from the bottom. No wonder they are not bothered with United embarrassing position.
The club's broke. I'm very skeptical of INEOS and not too pleased with their work to date, but the financial constraints facing the club are very real.
Yeah I feel so sorry coming here, poor guy wanted so much to see out season at Sporting
He could've just stayed then
Do you still think we’ll sign somebody bud?
Some decent players left on loan like Muani. Not perfect but better what we have. There is no way to excuse leaving Amorim with Hojlund and Zirkzee as our only striker options .
I can't believe that just one loan striker was really so much to ask for this window. I was very aware we couldn't do a permanent deal after Dorgu
ownership needs to step it up a bit. Summer window not looking great in retrospect, the decision to keep EtH was obviously a bad one in the moment, and has only been proven so far. Not finding some cheap loan deals to give some bodies is a joke. Had high hopes for them but been all over the place so far.
I’m wondering what this season would have looked like if we’d just stuck with Ruud for the remainder of it and let Ruben join in the summer as he originally wanted.
No mid season bedding in period to the new tactics, more money for transfers, no shitty 6 months hanging round his neck like a millstone going into next season.
With the benefit of hindsight, it’s another bad call by the senior management team.
No mid season bedding in period to the new tactics, more money for transfers, no shitty 6 months hanging round his neck like a millstone going into next season.
With the benefit of hindsight, it’s another bad call by the senior management team.
Fair - they would've known going into the winter window that we'd need a reinforcement up front and it doesn't feel like they did enough diligence on potential targets, and ended up leaving it late as usual.
That isn't actually true. There is no restriction on what an owner can invest. If a club is struggling with PSR\FPP only a portion of that investment will be taken into account.
So the owner could provide funding for infrastructure (no PSR impact), provide funding for debt reduction( a positive for PSR), leave funds in treasury to pay down our football debt as it falls due, which would greatly improve our cash flow going forward. Again no PSR impact here as the football debt relates to players already acquired and already costed in PSR.
The $300m investment wasn't really adequate, especially when it went to support a heavy summer expenditure on players.
The part I don't understand was why they weren't looking at loan deals from the moment window opened. Come on they must have been prepared for Rashford and Antony leaving
This brings us right back to the problem with minority ownership though. Unless the Glazers agree to a corresponding dilution of their equity, there's no logical reason for INEOS to invest more money and give the Glazers a free ride.
Even that would be inadequate tbh. Transfer window planning should ideally start months before the window itself opens.
Think we would have looked better, for a start Ruben would actually have had a budget not had to make do with Statler and Waldorf like now
Ah ok
We needed a complete debt clearing takeover. Trouble is the club is worth that much despite the debt it narrowed down who would bid, also the Glazers are greedy on a colossal scale. The fact we also need a new stadium and training facilities adds to the cost.
I'm not particularly surprised at our situation with the lack of a striker or attacker coming in, but I am disappointed. It's a glaring issue and we've not addressed it. It does put pressure on us to get it right in the summer and should be the top priority. But, in the meantime, we're going to struggle for goals until then. I'm pissed off at Rashford, Sancho and Antony for not being here and doing the business at our club, and putting us in a position where we have to play them elsewhere. I'm pissed off at them, I'm pissed off at the senior managers for putting us in a position where we paid lots of money to these guys with high transfer fees for Sancho and Antony and high wages for all 3 - plus other wasted money on Mount and Casemiro. We've tried to stumble from one window to the next without a plan and it's finally caught up with us and bitten us right where it hurts.
The pressure to get it right in the summer window is huge. Insurmountable, really. There's so much wrong and we're in real trouble if we don't get that one right. The next decade could really hinge on this next window and I don't think that's an exaggeration.
The pressure to get it right in the summer window is huge. Insurmountable, really. There's so much wrong and we're in real trouble if we don't get that one right. The next decade could really hinge on this next window and I don't think that's an exaggeration.
Actually yeah it should have started the minute that summer transfer window closed. Appreciate you picking me up on that.
We would probably be in a much better situation right now if we had have gone with Shiekh Jassim's bid instead.
I see the Glazers were looking at buying Manchester Originals but were put-off by potential supporter backlash
I don’t think you need the benefit of hindsight to see it was a bad decision. Bring in a manager which plays a 3-4-3 system, half way through a season without the players to play the system.
We didn’t have a fit LB in the squad let alone a natural LWB. The formation moved Garnacho and Bruno out of their natural positions, who were our most influential players going forward. The little threat we had has now been stifled.
Amorim should get some blame here. Bruno has been moved in CM which doesn’t help us defensively or in attack. Dalot at LWB hasn’t worked and not been changed. Why did we bring in Mazrouri when we had no LBs in the squad, incredible oversight by management.