Club ownership | Senior management team talk

Rasmus_9 said:
To be honest, there is nothing to play for in the league now and our cup form has actually been pretty good with the current crop. I’d much rather struggle to the end of the season and go after our top targets then. The way we’re playing at the moment I’m not sure even if we had a world class striker up front it would make much difference
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And leave results go up and down until summer? Don’t agree with that. We know well too targets don’t arrive in Jan, should have worked harder to have loan signings setup imo.

Now we have to go rest of season and likely have Garnacho and Amad play virtually 90 minutes a game - at a young age they need protecting and not weight of expectation on them when the club is in dire straits. Not good enough and no excuse to get some numbers in to help the squad.
 
acnumber9 said:
This idea we can afford to just write off the season as if league results beyond staying up don’t matter is bonkers. What about reputational damage? What about the confidence of the existing players? What about how we look to potential targets? This goes way beyond a couple of results.
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No you see getting rid of Rashford is more important than playing well and attempting to do well in Europe and the FA Cup.
 
Ineos are going to continue to wreck this club. They are the perfect partner for the Glazers.
 
I imagine if Arsenal's financial restrictions during their move to a new stadium and after it is taken into account, plus our pretty poor financial state, we are probably in for an even longer period of mediocrity. I don't see Ratcliffe or the Glazers clearing existing debt to help us.
 
Amad and Garnacho will have to play 90 minutes every 3 days. Because INEOS have the best in class. It's disgraceful and utter incompetency to let two kids play the season out every singel game. What if one of them or worse both gets injured? are we going to put Casemiro in attack?
 
davidmichael said:
What’s bullshit about having no footballing structure and going from manager to manager and formation to formation and rebuild to rebuild ? The wing back we’ve bought in is a kid and the one we’re linked with in the summer not even 18 years old yet whilst our centre backs have shown it isn’t so easy at all to switch from a back 4 with 2 centre backs to a back 3 with 3 centre backs

Yes the squad is awful and needs an overhaul which is exactly what was said after LVG then after Mourinho then after Ole then Rangnick said we needed open heart surgery then it was an overhaul for ETH and now we need another fecking overhaul, is that bullshit too ?


As far as the squad is concerned Amorim’s system with a back 3, a left footed right wing back and two 10’s it is from Mars and that is on Ineos as they are in charge of the football operations and it was they who publicly stated we would bring in a “best in class footballing structure” to implement a “footballing identity and United way” and is that bullshit ?

Berrada is our CEO so it wasn’t his job to choose the next head coach or decide on how we’d play as that was Ashworth’s job role and what were the main strengths of Ashworth said to be ? I remember BBC Sport doing an article on it which were assessing what is needed, scouting, recruitment, character background checks and implementing a system from the academy up to the first team so everything was in sync yet Berrada wanted Amorim so pulled rank and is publicly known to have been on the plane to Portugal within hours of firing ETH to tell Amorim now or never

Ineos and Berrada knew how tight finances were yet against Ashworth’s advice Berrada pushed to bring Amorim in whilst knowing full well Amorim is married to his system and we didn’t have the players to play Amorim’s way nor the money to back him, is that bullshit ? We’ve brought a kid in from relegation threatened Lecce and by the looks of it won’t bring anyone else in whilst moving players on, Amorim has been completely set up to fail or is that bullshit ?

I think you need to get real and see that none of the things Ineos said this time last year have happened and that they’re just as inept as the parasites are, I desperately want Amorim to work but if we keep on as we are with loss after loss the likliehood of Amorim being properly backed this summer is highly unlikely thus setting up to fail even further then repeating the cycle of firing a manager then bringing someone in with yet another different system

We saw Woodward get death threats and mobs outside his house after making footballing decisions he wasn’t qualified to make and as CEO had no right to make and it’s no different with Berrada, Ashworth was brought in to “lead the football department” and reportedly wanted us to have a form of continuity whilst not thinking Amorim was currently a right fit due to his tactical approach yet we’ve repeated the mistakes of the past and allowed non football people to make footballing decisions then wonder why we’re in the position we’re in or is that bullshit ?
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I'm surprised so many people are attacking you when this view was the consensus on the Caf just a few months ago!

It's been clear for ages that the wild oscillations in style of play / footballing philosophy and the club's willingness to hand managers the keys to the castle and back them with full-scale clearouts and rebuilds in their image, with limited oversight, has been a recipe for disaster.
 
Absolute rubbish, every decision they've made has been bad from a footballing perspective.

So much was revealed with the Ashworth situation, it's not that Dan is this high and exceptional individual but it illustrates how poor the execution of planning is.

They have thrown Amorim under the bus with their decisions. Not that the manager is without fault but these owners are just as incompetent as the Glazers.
 
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Their successful project of Nice sits in 35 in europa league. Second from the bottom. No wonder they are not bothered with United embarrassing position.
 
Judas said:
I’m astounded by how little they seem to care about how dreadful they look currently.
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I thought they'd care about optics and perception which is incredibly valuable and underrated, but they are actually worse than the Glazers in that regard.
 
They've clearly given up on the league this season. The danger is if we're knocked out of the cups in the next rounds our results could absolutely dive bomb with nothing to play for even worse than they have already!

I'm not even sure if the manager could survive that nevermind how difficult it will be for the squad to recover in time for next season nor the board to recruit anyone half decent

I said in another thread yesterday that I don't fancy us in the cups so for me Amorim will really need to prove his mettle in keeping this squad believing in his vision when the season may well be a bust very soon
 
It's increasingly clear Jim doesn't have the resources to rectify this mess. Have said for a while now that the predicament the Glazers put United in would take an owner with lucrative access to capital to rectify. Jim is conventionally wealthy of course but its going to take substantially more to turn United around.

That's just from an operational standpoint to remain competitive, it doesn't intervene with the debt or the investment into the stadium. United needed an owner to first and foremost buy the remainder Glazers share values. Rid the debt, clearly outline the infrastructure in building the new stadium and recreationally invest money into the team in conjunction to the league rules.
 
Judas said:
I’m astounded by how little they seem to care about how dreadful they look currently.
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I think they were expecting to be unpopular because they did their due diligence and knew they were going to have to slash costs. They knew the team was poor and that they wouldn’t be able to splash the cash to fix it in the short term.

Clearly it’s going worse than expected and it’s now all about whether or not they can make steps forward in the summer, fans move on very quickly if things get better.
 
Giggsyking said:
Amad and Garnacho will have to play 90 minutes every 3 days. Because INEOS have the best in class. It's disgraceful and utter incompetency to let two kids play the season out every singel game. What if one of them or worse both gets injured? are we going to put Casemiro in attack?
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Bruno, Mount (big IF) , Zirkzee, Eriksen all have played there. Not ideal, but enough to stay in the league for one more year.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
I'm surprised so many people are attacking you when this view was the consensus on the Caf just a few months ago!

It's been clear for ages that the wild oscillations in style of play / footballing philosophy and the club's willingness to hand managers the keys to the castle and back them with full-scale clearouts and rebuilds in their image, with limited oversight, has been a recipe for disaster.
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It wasn't the consensus whenever I made that point people thought that I was defending the Glazers. For some reason for years the consensus has been that the Glazers didn't let the club spend, that managers weren't backed. It's the opposite the club has been spending like a drunken sailor. Also people should remember something, Mourinho started the destruction of our finances, his decisions increased the wage spendings by more than 100m per year, now add the transfer fees, Ole was a continuation of that nonsense as was ETH.

For all the bad memories that we have LVG did things on the cheap and he left a club that had lots of money for transfers and wages but it was gone within 30 months.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
I'm surprised so many people are attacking you when this view was the consensus on the Caf just a few months ago!

It's been clear for ages that the wild oscillations in style of play / footballing philosophy and the club's willingness to hand managers the keys to the castle and back them with full-scale clearouts and rebuilds in their image, with limited oversight, has been a recipe for disaster.
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It’s because too many are easily distracted by Ineos talking up their stadium plans, Amorim stating it’s going to be painful for a while and the Rashford saga to really take in that we’re accepting writing yet another season off in January as ‘we’re in a transitional period’ yet again which we’ve heard since LVG came in and nothing Ineos said happening at all, it’s the longest transitional period since Liverpool from the 90’s

The consensus from pretty much everyone was we need set way of playing, a tactical set up, an identity and then the scouting team and recruitment team work in bringing players in to fit that system and the job of the head coach is to coach the squad and pick the team, yet again we’ve done the exact opposite but because Amorim is likeable and charismatic and rightly so won’t allow the players to feck about we’re letting it slide even though Amorim is set up to fail and it’s on Ineos that it’s going to happen

Martinez is apparently out til Christmas, Malacia may be on his way to PSV, Rashford and Antony rightly have been loaned out and all we’ve done is bring in a young left wing back so Amorim is no nearer to what he needs for his system to work and will either have to play the kids or run what we have left into the ground but either way a left wing back is not anywhere near enough for what Amorim would have expected after being told now or never and leaving Sporting when he did
 
davidmichael said:
What’s bullshit about having no footballing structure and going from manager to manager and formation to formation and rebuild to rebuild ? The wing back we’ve bought in is a kid and the one we’re linked with in the summer not even 18 years old yet whilst our centre backs have shown it isn’t so easy at all to switch from a back 4 with 2 centre backs to a back 3 with 3 centre backs

Yes the squad is awful and needs an overhaul which is exactly what was said after LVG then after Mourinho then after Ole then Rangnick said we needed open heart surgery then it was an overhaul for ETH and now we need another fecking overhaul, is that bullshit too ?


As far as the squad is concerned Amorim’s system with a back 3, a left footed right wing back and two 10’s it is from Mars and that is on Ineos as they are in charge of the football operations and it was they who publicly stated we would bring in a “best in class footballing structure” to implement a “footballing identity and United way” and is that bullshit ?

Berrada is our CEO so it wasn’t his job to choose the next head coach or decide on how we’d play as that was Ashworth’s job role and what were the main strengths of Ashworth said to be ? I remember BBC Sport doing an article on it which were assessing what is needed, scouting, recruitment, character background checks and implementing a system from the academy up to the first team so everything was in sync yet Berrada wanted Amorim so pulled rank and is publicly known to have been on the plane to Portugal within hours of firing ETH to tell Amorim now or never

Ineos and Berrada knew how tight finances were yet against Ashworth’s advice Berrada pushed to bring Amorim in whilst knowing full well Amorim is married to his system and we didn’t have the players to play Amorim’s way nor the money to back him, is that bullshit ? We’ve brought a kid in from relegation threatened Lecce and by the looks of it won’t bring anyone else in whilst moving players on, Amorim has been completely set up to fail or is that bullshit ?

I think you need to get real and see that none of the things Ineos said this time last year have happened and that they’re just as inept as the parasites are, I desperately want Amorim to work but if we keep on as we are with loss after loss the likliehood of Amorim being properly backed this summer is highly unlikely thus setting up to fail even further then repeating the cycle of firing a manager then bringing someone in with yet another different system

We saw Woodward get death threats and mobs outside his house after making footballing decisions he wasn’t qualified to make and as CEO had no right to make and it’s no different with Berrada, Ashworth was brought in to “lead the football department” and reportedly wanted us to have a form of continuity whilst not thinking Amorim was currently a right fit due to his tactical approach yet we’ve repeated the mistakes of the past and allowed non football people to make footballing decisions then wonder why we’re in the position we’re in or is that bullshit ?
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Banger of a post this. Spot on in every single point
 
BluesJr said:
As usual with us... Could it have actually gone worse? I doubt it.
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Well we will see in hindsight I guess. If Dorku and Heaven turn out to be as influential as Evra and Vidic then it’ll be remembered well. Unless you aren’t talking specifically about the January window. In which case, disregard
Judas said:
I’m astounded by how little they seem to care about how dreadful they look currently.
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It is frustrating. If I am playing devils advocate, I think we should reserve total judgement until the summer is done though. The briefs seem to be that we want to save as much money as possible to be as active as possible in the summer.
 
bond19821982 said:
Bruno, Mount (big IF) , Zirkzee, Eriksen all have played there. Not ideal, but enough to stay in the league for one more year.
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Come one please be serious. One is on the verge of retirement, can hardly play 30 minutes. The other is an overrated never available mediocre midfielder.
 
MaxZorin said:
It'd be greater incompetence to let Rashford and Antony stay, or get shafted in negotiations for another albatross.



Psg still cannot win the only trophy which matters.

Folly to think Ineos could alleviate a decade-plus of chronic mismanagement within one season, and the alternative (Qatar) may improve finances, but fail where it matters most.
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One other point. INEOS are only 28% shareholders, Glazers are still majority shareholders. Joel glazer is still involved in football decisions.

The folly is thinking it’s INEOS and not the Glazers with INEOS
 
Amorim will fail without backing under these clowns.

Usually with each new manager, there is some sustained hope and excitement but I'm already mentally checked out. I don't put any blame on Amorim for that.
 
BluesJr said:
As usual with us... Could it have actually gone worse? I doubt it.
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spending our summer transfer budget, whatever it may be, on the wrong players would have been worse. might be hard to see it but its true. no real difference between 14th and 9th for us this season. important that amorim starts getting performances from the players he has but this shouldn't rule that out.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
spending our summer transfer budget, whatever it may be, on the wrong players would have been worse. might be hard to see it but its true. no real difference between 14th and 9th for us this season. important that amorim starts getting performances from the players he has but this shouldn't rule that out.
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Was more talking about their tenure since they started. One optical disaster after another.
 
Plant0x84 said:
1) We could have sold Garnacho
2) We could have sold Mainoo
3) We could have signed a load of panic mercenaries on huge contracts
4) the Qataris could have bought us

But yeah it feels pretty bleak at the moment…
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Number 4 would literally be a god send mate.
 
BluesJr said:
Was more talking about their tenure since they started. One optical disaster after another.
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I think we need to remember that Jim was and always will be the villain of the scenario. The intention behind a sale of the club by the Glazers was the best thing that has happened in the last 2 decades.

SJR did not rectify the most concurrent issue with the Glazer ownership firstly being their sole occupation and secondly the debt. The fact that those two issues remain which was the biggest incentive behind the clubs proposed sale speaks to how stale the real climate of the situation is. I've got nothing against SJR personally but he's a fraud.

He's conned the fans into thinking his miniscule stake is making a significant difference, he's barely got skin in the game and I'd honestly give INEOS a pass if they acquired the majority of the shares and then made poor decisions it's perfectly plausible given the dynamic of different ownership.

However, the stark contrast is it's still a Glazer ownership model, therefore, with having a minority stake the only way SJR could succeed is by hitting the ground running. This is simply a Glazer facelift situation, no different to when these car manufacturers milk the same models and use marketing to enterprise more interest when all that's changed is a new bumper or some ambient lighting in the foot passage wells.

INEOS are the Glazer facelift update, it's a total disgrace. All new improved version with stop start technology.
 
We are in big trouble under this stewardship. I can't believe how badly run this club is from top the bottom.
 
Rather than just decorating the house, Inoes and Amorim are knocking it down.

It's the right approach so long as they know how to rebuild it again.
 
All in all a disastrous start to the INEOS tenure. Not unexpected looking at Ratcliffe's other sports investments but I still hoped for more.
 
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