Club ownership | Senior management team talk

Plant0x84 said:
It’s not about being desperate to support Ratcliffe. It’s about a) not attributing the Glazers monumental mismanagement and incompetence to any other party either forgetting who is really to blame or absolving them some how and b) not immediately shitting on those trying to sort it out, mostly because of a temper tantrum because we lost a game of football again.

INEOS have clear not been perfect, and there will be bumps along the way but the club is such a mess it’ll take a long time to sort
out and rebuild. I will judge them on results, but now isn’t the time for that.

Football is supposed to be fun and entertaining so forgive me if I chose to look on things positively where possible instead of revelling in doom and gloom and rage and ruin.
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You jump on any criticism of them as if your mother’s good name has been sullied. The Glazers can be terrible and INEOS can be terrible. Two things can be true at once and unfortunately for us all the evidence points to both being terrible. Would you have applauded cost cutting and price rises three years ago?

Why do you continually lie about what the investment money was for?

I can assure you there is nothing fun about the club at the moment. That includes your precious owners. They have in fact made things worse.
 
Must admit, the start to the INEOS reign is worrying.

While not wanting the Qatar bid either, my worries about INEOS were what they'd 'achieved' - not achieved - at Nice and Lausanne. The way they'd run those - failing with their money to take them particularly high in much smaller leagues as they seemed to run their clubs more for sustainability than success.

And the words, tone and early actions so far suggest they'll be doing the same here. We seem to be being run like a post-Abramovich Chelsea - targeting a very young squad for sell on value and cheaper wages, treating the academy as a cash cow rather than as something to be proud of the players it produces for the first team, etc. All done with an eye on the books, not onfield success. Certainly in the short term.

It's still early days of course. And if it wasn't for the early models already creating that worry before they arrived then probably wouldn't stand out as an issue already. But it's certainly look like that's the plan here as well - initially at least. As @mazhar13 said on a thread yesterday when I mentioned similar, maybe we'll start to benefit when the new PL financial rules come into place.
 
Anyone think that there is a silver lining to the clubs decline?

We will be at our lowest position in the table ever and no hope of being in the CL for a few years at least. Glazers can just sell up as they won’t put money in and INEOS won’t put any more money in unless they get equity.

They could sell to Qatar and that is why they put in a clause that they could sell all shares (including INEOS) to someone after 18 months.
 
You wonder if our poor home record has anything to do with the crap workplace culture these lot are fostering? I bet all the non-playing staff are feckin' miserable these days.
 
DownRiver said:
Anyone think that there is a silver lining to the clubs decline?

We will be at our lowest position in the table ever and no hope of being in the CL for a few years at least. Glazers can just sell up as they won’t put money in and INEOS won’t put any more money in unless they get equity.

They could sell to Qatar and that is why they put in a clause that they could sell all shares (including INEOS) to someone after 18 months.
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No chance. The new stadium and surrounding infrastructure will be a gold mine, football results are mostly irrelevant, we still will be an attractive/popular brand for 10+ years.
 
I’ll be honest. This is not looking good so far
 
r3idy said:
Would be utter incompetence from INEOS and Glazers at this stage if we DIDNT get another forward in.
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It'd be greater incompetence to let Rashford and Antony stay, or get shafted in negotiations for another albatross.

JediSith said:
If you’re going to call something an “absolute failure” at least back it up. City were not an absolute failure until they won the CL.
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Psg still cannot win the only trophy which matters.

Folly to think Ineos could alleviate a decade-plus of chronic mismanagement within one season, and the alternative (Qatar) may improve finances, but fail where it matters most.
 
Time to run INEOS out of the football club, they are a disgrace and this transfer window has tipped me over the edge

Complete sale is needed, run both INEOS and the glazers out of the football club
 
Losing out to Spurs on a straight loan transfer, get rid.
 
Obviously way too early to see the full effect of their reign, but like the new manager performance, an absolute shitshow on every level so far. Expected short-term pain, as told by Amorim, but this is worse than I could have imagined. We're clinging our small hope to a new manager finding his feet when given a full pre-season and that youth signings will pay off long-term, but flirting with relegation and with no goalscorers at all for a full season is really pushing it.
 
they don't give two fecks about PR or how they are perceived do they, from sackings, canceling bonuses to a big feck you to a manager they just recruited
 
For all the talk of proper structures to support the 'Head Coach', being astute in the transfer market and all sort of claptrap. Penny pinching and token cost cutting. Go through the rigmarole of getting Dan Ashworth to dump him five months later. Publicly court other managers in the summer as they didnt trust that footballing terrorist ETH, only to extend his contract, back him in the transfer market and sack him !!!! This is nothing short of a Greek tragedy

Two misfiring attackers loaned out, hounded out, whichever way you want to look at it. Is the suggestion then that our scouting and recruitment team are THAT bad they cant identify at least one credible target who we could get in on loan. Miss out on winning the Europa to qualify for Champions league will set us further back. Win it and sailing close to the PSR wind will be a gamble worth taking.

The Irony will probably be, Matthys Tel banging in a winner against us to stop us winning the bloody thing.
 
There’s no point letting two forward players go on loan for 6 months if you’re not going to replace them ffs. We’ve literally saved millions in wages by sending Rashford and Antony out on loan.

The manager needs some support.
 
The Board need to help Amorim out some more before the window is closed. Even with another player coming in, the rest of this season is going to be difficult.
 
Thing is outside of Europa & Fa cup, we don't have much to play for. I expect us to take the route to play more kids in the league soon already or fringe players and keep the first 11 fit for the Fa Cup and EL games, that would be logical route and do a complete rebuild in the summer.
 
AndyMUFC said:
There’s no point letting two forward players go on loan for 6 months if you’re not going to replace them ffs. We’ve literally saved millions in wages by sending Rashford and Antony out on loan.

The manager needs some support.
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I think it largely depends on how the club view this season. They aren't fools, they'll know that our League form is horrific and the chances of even finishing Top 10 seems a bit remote. But if we can target the cups and come out with a win that gives us something at least. I know we're desperate right now, but I don't think there's any point in bringing in players for the sake of it. We need to use the money wisely and not just flitter it away in a panic, the fact we aren't doing this to me is a good sign as it seems like we aren't repeating past mistake of buying for the sake of buying.
 
I thought we might get 50 to 60 pts . I honestly think we may struggle to get 40 pts. I can't see were the goals are coming from. They send players out on loan like passing sweets around , Sancho I think he's gone permanently now, Rashford loan Antony those are 2 player he doesn't want . Amad or Garnacho pick up injuries for 3 to 4 weeks Who does he play then , it's the youth he have to go to. Ineos ,whoever thought these guy were here as saviours are miss guided big time , there the same as Glazers in it for the money.
I think Jim Ratcliff is in it more about the development of the surrounding areas and OT , imo he's pushed that more than getting it right on the pitch.
How can a club with utd revenue have no money ffs run it into the ground for there own ends Glazers now ineos.
 
Absolute clowns.

1. Brings in footballing men
2. Decides Hag is the way forward, extends his contract and therefore concludes this is the way forward
3. Invests £200m on Hag signings and all being defenders and an unproven forward when we finished the prior season with negative goal difference
4. Sacks Hag a few months later and brings in a manager with a COMPLETELY new system
5. Sacks one of the key footballing men as he doubted completely changing our system mid season
6. Two months on with this new system failing due to players we have said we cannot afford to bring in key personnel to help the new manager implement the system. Worse, we weaken an already weak squad and let players go.

If we were to change the system completely then have the money to invest in the system. If we're skint then bring in a manager who can use the players we have in a system they are used to.

I'm seething. The club is dying. Yes before 2024 it may have been on the Glazers. But Feb 2024 - Feb 2025 is on INEOS. Shambles. Jim Ratcliffe you're a fraud.
 
This idea we can afford to just write off the season as if league results beyond staying up don’t matter is bonkers. What about reputational damage? What about the confidence of the existing players? What about how we look to potential targets? This goes way beyond a couple of results.
 
Blood Mage said:
We'll probably win five more league games this season if we're lucky.
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The biggest club in the country. The second most valuable football club in the world after Real madrid. Have only Garnacho 20, Amad 22, Zirkzee 24 and Hojlund 21, It's a disgrace.
 
RedSky said:
I think it largely depends on how the club view this season. They aren't fools, they'll know that our League form is horrific and the chances of even finishing Top 10 seems a bit remote. But if we can target the cups and come out with a win that gives us something at least. I know we're desperate right now, but I don't think there's any point in bringing in players for the sake of it. We need to use the money wisely and not just flitter it away in a panic, the fact we aren't doing this to me is a good sign as it seems like we aren't repeating past mistake of buying for the sake of buying.
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Yeah I get the bit wanting to repeat the mistakes of the past thing.

Trouble is a balance needs to be found because they’ve brought a manager into a really difficult situation and he needs some support. He’s going to be under huge pressure to start next season well at the rate we’re going otherwise they’re going to end up in a situation like the beginning of this one all over again.
 
December

Amorim: Look guys this forward line is not up for scratch. We need to replace most of it
SJR: Make me a list of all players you think they are not good enough
Amorim: On top of my head there's Antony, Rashford, Zirzkee, Hojlund
Brailsford: What about Garnacho?
Amorim: Well he might initially struggle in my system but
Brailsford: Ok Antony, Rashford and Garnacho. Consider it done

February 3rd

SJR: Hi Ruben you must feel giddy now that Antony and Rashford are gone
Amorim: Erm were are their replacement?
SJR: What replacement? We never talked about replacement!
Amorim: Our forward line is shit and you weakened the forward line?
SJR: But we've signed Drogu! He rhymes with Grogu from the Mandalorian!
Amorim: Good but we need forwards!
Brailsford: What about Heaven?
Amorim: He's a feckin defender!
Amorim leaves the room
SJR: He's clearly upset. I wonder if he expected us to sell Garnacho as well!
Brailsford: Garnacho and Onana
SJR: Are you sure about that? I don't recall him mentioning Onana as well.
Brailsford: Well he did mention wanting Vital on the bench!
SJR: Make sure its done as soon as possible and btw......Sack Wilcox. He's been here long enough.
 
Feel like repeating myself every week, but INEOS aren't better or worse depending on United winning or losing a game in the weekend. It's too early to tell, even when early signs don't look all that promising to me tbh (this is more a matter of perception rather than actual performance).

More importantly, the club is in deep trouble due to being unable to get rid of the Glazers, who have failed United in every aspect imaginable. INEOS as a minority owner doesn't have the ability to solve the structural issues that are crippling the club social they can't really pull United out of the path to irrelevance the majority owners have been building through the last 20 years. They may delay the process by pulling above their weight on the field and during transfer windows (like Forest, Villa, Brighton or Ipswich can do as well), but United needs something more fundamental to change in order to go back to its glory days.
 
I wonder how the Muppetier guy will spin all this. He's got a knack in making INEOS and Rashford look good irrespective of circumstances.
 
RedSky said:
I think it largely depends on how the club view this season. They aren't fools, they'll know that our League form is horrific and the chances of even finishing Top 10 seems a bit remote. But if we can target the cups and come out with a win that gives us something at least. I know we're desperate right now, but I don't think there's any point in bringing in players for the sake of it. We need to use the money wisely and not just flitter it away in a panic, the fact we aren't doing this to me is a good sign as it seems like we aren't repeating past mistake of buying for the sake of buying.
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It's not just getting a player for the sake of it though, is it? To begin with our attack is sputtering, on top of that we let 2 attackers go (rightly so). But shouldn't we be looking to add an attacker to improve it and/or at least add a rotation option to let Amad rest? So its not bringing in a player for the sake of it, is it?

And it doesn't have to be a buy as you well know.
 
Your hatred for Qatar and the idea of sports washing has put this club in the depths of hell for the foreseeable future (minimum of 5 years). Job well done.
 
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