I was referring to transfers.
Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
I was referring to transfers.
I know mate, I just couldn't believe that journo telling Amorim how he should coach the players.
Ashworth was who championed the signing of Zirkzee, so let's not get too ahead of ourselves.
Ratcliffe has made some changes in his half year here:
• Sacked hundreds of staff
• Wants fans to help fund a new stadium by significantly increasing prices for season tickets
• Terminated Sir Alex's ambassadorial contract
• Canceled Christmas party for non-playing staff and their families
• Canceled charity donations for United legends which has been running since 1985
• Cut stewards' £100 bonus, and the £50 cash prize for Steward of The Week
• Now about to cut the funding for Man Utd Foundation
• Sacked hundreds of staff
• Wants fans to help fund a new stadium by significantly increasing prices for season tickets
• Terminated Sir Alex's ambassadorial contract
• Canceled Christmas party for non-playing staff and their families
• Canceled charity donations for United legends which has been running since 1985
• Cut stewards' £100 bonus, and the £50 cash prize for Steward of The Week
• Now about to cut the funding for Man Utd Foundation
I think it's partly because it is mostly United's local community outreach program rather than an obvious charitable cause. It's certainly not an obvious global cause.
A lot of the stuff used to be done by the club itself giving donations or access to OT for fundraising activities by local charities. Effectively as the mailbag got bigger we outsourced things to a charity to do the admin for the club.
Partly a (tax) convenience for the club presumably. But also a less scattergun approach maybe - presumably someone at the club drove it? So that community health education, inclusion issues became the focus. We stopped giving a small grant to a women's amateur team but the Foundation provided coaches to girls' teams.
Like I say, I don't think it's a charity in the sense that building a flat for families to stay in near the children's hospital or food parcels are. It's a different kind of need.
11 years of mismanagement and decisions made by incompetent leaders have led us here. The shoddy fixes band aids that have papered over the cracks again and again are now ripping open and it's all falling to pieces.
It's not Ineos fault but I have my doubts that they are the right people to fix this.
It's not Ineos fault but I have my doubts that they are the right people to fix this.
Understood. Promoting well being via football for all (young kids to elderly) surely should be a global cause for the club with the largest global fan base in the world?
I wonder if it's time for the glazers to take over again. Sure they aren't geniuses but they never relegated football clubs before
Any more info on this?
While INEOS's first 12 months has been a bit disasterous I dont think putting the Glazers back in charge at this point would be a good idea.
Yeah, point takenJust checked the coefficient and they're ranked 7th, just behind the Eredivisie.
Seems they caught them in 2022 after LigaNos had been ranked higher for years while the Eredivisie had dropped out of the top 10 at one point over the last decade.
Either way, point still stands. That's not the thing getting in the way for us
Oh, I don’t know. I can think of good and bad examples from both leagues. The point was they are easy leagues for a manager to do well in, as long as they are managing one of the 2 big teams.
Then he has to change his tactics until the summer.
What an utterly ridiculous situation Ineos have put us in.
If they’d brought Amorim in back in the summer the £200 million spent would have been used to bring wingbacks etc in.
Now because of their complete ineptitude we don’t have money to spend and a squad that can’t play the new managers system.
I can totally see why Ashworth was against the Amorim appointment now. His system does not align with this squad and we don’t have the money to change that. What a complete fecking disaster the ineos management team has been.
Then inject some you geezer.
I didn't expect much from INEOS but holy feck the level of incompetence they have shown this year is unmatched.
My only hope is we are claiming poverty in the hope that we can get some cheap deals done.
By the time the transfer window actually shuts I would be surprised if we've won a game. Meet me on Feb 4th where I've hopefully been wrong.
By the time the transfer window actually shuts I would be surprised if we've won a game. Meet me on Feb 4th where I've hopefully been wrong.
All that to afford a new Antony in 2030.
We'll be out of Europe, so won't need to comply with UEFA regulations, and PSR is supposedly a little less restrictive. Granted we'll also have a massive loss in revenue to contend with.
Is that true though, zirkzee was surely lined up well in advance of ashwortj being on board, and when wilcox was the only one of the recruitment team in post
It's all very convenient to blame all the mistakes made since ineos took charge on ashworth
I wonder if there was ever a transfer window where we had money... It's always been the same.
Easy scapegoats have been the order of the day at this club for a long time.
Well at least they are honest and say they can't spend instead of saying there is "no value" in the market.
We wasted 25M because Ashworth was insistant in keeping EtH in the summer. He should have gone then and we'd have backed the new manager with funds.
And then there's Zirkzee.....you mentions clueless
I can only imagine he had some unofficial involvement or his team was involved earlier than him.
The question is then, are you confident now that with Ten Hag and Ashworth gone we will start to make signings that move us in the right direction? Because I am not.
A manger is only ever going to influence a percentage of the performance. Fans love to vent their anger at whoever the poor sod is in the dugout.
Meanwhile the management at board level have outdone themselves by making the mess even worst every single year.
Paying millions for Dan Ashworth to arrive and then leave. Genius!
Paying EtH millions to stay and then leave, paying Ruud/Hake a good chunk of cash to do the same. Paying Sporting a huge amount.
What an amazing display of incompetence from Sir Jim. Take a bow.
Meanwhile the management at board level have outdone themselves by making the mess even worst every single year.
Paying millions for Dan Ashworth to arrive and then leave. Genius!
Paying EtH millions to stay and then leave, paying Ruud/Hake a good chunk of cash to do the same. Paying Sporting a huge amount.
What an amazing display of incompetence from Sir Jim. Take a bow.
Not really, but then it can't really get any worse to be fair.
Maybe the problem runs deeper than people who are already out the door then.
I'd like to talk about Ratcliffe. I was never a fan of him for numerous reasons (his age, Brailsford, and history with other sports teams)
I don't see the logic of stopping all the money to former players, stopping Ferguson in his ambassador roll etc etc. I can't help but think there is more going on behind the scenes. The financial outlay for these endeavors is miniscule compared to the behavioral reward that would be achieved. There has to be more to this. I would have though Ratcliffe has set up a separate structure to manage these payments. It just makes no sense to me.
I don't see the logic of stopping all the money to former players, stopping Ferguson in his ambassador roll etc etc. I can't help but think there is more going on behind the scenes. The financial outlay for these endeavors is miniscule compared to the behavioral reward that would be achieved. There has to be more to this. I would have though Ratcliffe has set up a separate structure to manage these payments. It just makes no sense to me.
Fair to say I am skeptical of the reliability of those sources given it was in an article after ashworth was fired. Smacks of ineos covering their arse
Another article references Ratcliffe being unimpressed with ashworths analytics expertise and not letting him bring in a consultancy to do the analysis
They are heavily guilty of the dark cloud around the club with all these cuts not doing the club any favours.
There is literally nothing positive coming out of the club at the moment
There is literally nothing positive coming out of the club at the moment
That would have made the news for sure, considering how much bad PR his actions have generated. The alternative is much more likely, which is that this is just how Ratcliffe operates - he is a crony capitalist.
There's a certain cosmic justice in a polluter like him being shown up for the Brexit moron that he is. The arrogance of a rich man thinking knowledge (footballing knowledge in this case) can be bought. Welcome to the real world where the rules are not fixed for you, Jim.
We already know this
We were talking in the stands about the state of the club, just misery and let down. Long term ST holders ready to give it up next year
Hope you Told them to go and give up their tickets.
What happened before INEOS joined is not their fault, however, making the decision to spend money on Ashworth and then fire him was their decision, the decision to activate the additional year for Ten Hag just to fire him and then spend money on a coach that the current squad does not suit are all decisions that INEOS have made. Those decisions whether well intentioned so far have put us in a much worse position. They can be blamed for that. Whilst I think Amorim is likely a good coach, the reality is if you are going to replace Ten Hag then at a minimum your choice to come in should be able to steady the ship. As it stands in hindsight it probably made more sense from a psr and common sense perspective not to renew Ten Hag and just let him see out the season, then go for Amorim in the summer. These decisions are the reasons why the CEO etc are in the positions they are in and the reason why they are at a club as big as United is because the expectation is that they will make the right decisions. As its stands, a lot of the big decisions are backfiring. Even the cost cutting makes 0 sense when you're hiring and firing staff you recruited/renewed. Its poor executive management. A competent owner would be considering the CEO's position.
Glad we agree then. Less scapegoating the better.
Who's scapegoating? I was replying to someone saying how right Ashworth was, so I pointed out two things he wasn't.
I may well have misunderstood then. Apologies if so.
No problem. We were only agreeing with each other.