Club ownership | Senior management team talk

Moriarty said:
And how much have they pledged to pay off the debt? Sweet FA. They are bottom-feeding scum.
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Plus they kept taking dividends out of manutd for a significant numbers of years leaving our cash position extremely weak. Currently we are in a position that PSR wise we may be okay but actually in terms of balance sheet we don’t have enough cash or profitability to make payments on players which are due, plus making significant signings.

However one slight positive might be a lot of these players are pretty awful anyway and should be sold and we won’t lose much. Specially Shaw, Lindelof and Mount they are hardly fit.
 
Moriarty said:
He could have said no. He must have had some inkling of the state of the club. He got thrown in at the deep end and asked to swim with one hand tied behind his back.
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Nonsense, he could have told Berrada to feck off with his ultimatums. He threw himself into the deep end and is realising he can't swim.
 
What is going on?

I thought he was brought in to improve the football operations. That have been worsening while team INEOS is busy downsizing. Weird.
 
Insanity said:
What is going on?

I thought he was brought in to improve the football operations. That have been worsening while team INEOS is busy downsizing. Weird.
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I’m guessing that they are losing money and it’s thought that if they can fix that money draining out, they may be in a better position to reinvest in the squad
 
Since SJR came on board, I swear it's all about cost cutting to the extreme. This even affected the first team.

There were hundreds of people made redundant. Meanwhile, Glazers still happily take the money out of the club to pay the interest of their leveraged buyouts and dividends?
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Since SJR came on board, I swear it's all about cost cutting to the extreme. This even affected the first team.

There were hundreds of people made redundant. Meanwhile, Glazers still happily take the money out of the club to pay the interest of their leveraged buyouts and dividends?
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No, dividends have been paused
 
sglowrider said:
The only thing world class at Manchester United has been our commercial team. Bar none. There are reasons so and having an office in London is one of them.
If it ain't broken...
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It hasn't been world class in a very long time. They caught a rising tide at a time when money was flowing rapidly into football.
 
Insanity said:
What is going on?

I thought he was brought in to improve the football operations. That have been worsening while team INEOS is busy downsizing. Weird.
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Wait till we are down to a pot to piss in.

Jim, will be getting rid of that as well.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
If city or Liverpool had a base in London, you'd never hear of it.
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Er... they do.
United set a trend for big northern clubs when opening a London office 15 years ago, a move since followed by Manchester City, Liverpool, Everton and Leeds, which played a part in transforming them into a commercial juggernaut. Under the leadership of the former executive chair Ed Woodward, most of United’s senior staff were based in London, including the club’s senior transfer negotiator, Matt Judge, with the offices also used to entertain corporate clients and leading agents from around the world.
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https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ly-termination-of-lease-on-kensington-offices

You're not hearing about those ones because they're not in the process of shutting them down because the club is broke. "Liverpool London office continues to operate as normal" isn't a breaking news story. The country's biggest club being so utterly fecked financially that it can't afford London rents is.
 
Aretak said:
Er... they do.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ly-termination-of-lease-on-kensington-offices

You're not hearing about those ones because they're not in the process of shutting them down because the club is broke. "Liverpool London office continues to operate as normal" isn't a breaking news story. The country's biggest club being so utterly fecked financially that it can't afford London rents is.
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Well we heard a lot about them having a London base in woodwards time too. So much that non-United fans knew about it.

Barely anyone would know about the others, nor would it get written about, unless in an article about United
 
Giggsyking said:
INESO have astonishingly managed to make every big footballing decision wrong and a disaster.
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In all honesty though, what experience do they have other than purchasing football teams who play avg, finish avg and have avg players. The portfolio especially with Lausanne, being relegated a couple of times, is less than impressive. Nice haven't faired much better. Good or great ownership groups don't get involved in the day to day of the clubs and hire the right people with experience to make decisions. I have seen nothing to say that Berrada is the guy they thought he was. Especially with cash tight team.

Reality is, they really have limited funds to spend on transfers, if they do not qualify, they will have less. If Ratcliffe's approach is to build through the academy and not, at least, with a portion of transfers, this will be the start of a continual mid table team. Manchester United will become the new West Ham or the old Fulham, we will be fighting with Moyes and Everton for a 5,6,7 spot, basically a dime a dozen team. Relegation is a possibility, quite honestly I am not joking. We all get to start hoping we hit that 35+ point mark to avoid. Man, its just brutal.
 
golden_blunder said:
I’m guessing that they are losing money and it’s thought that if they can fix that money draining out, they may be in a better position to reinvest in the squad
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I know there are problems but there is also a lot of spin. The LBO debt has been there for ages and the interest/coupon payments on it has been a constant. With their stake purchase they agreed a 3 year moratorium on the dividends that the Glazers used to take. It's the accumulated transfer debt that is the root cause of the problem right now.

The way to improve it would have been to improve it through our efficiency in the transfer market by making the correct hires in top managment and the managerial appointment. The initial goal was to improve the footballing side by having a good strike rate in the transfer market, getting rid of unwanted players and better contract negotiations. If we would improve on those things the revenues will improve automatically through participation in the top European competition, a much decreased transfer spend, lowering of playing staff salary costs and a chance to sell more sponsorships.

However, those are harder things to do. It requires top people doing a top job. INEOS have completely failed on those aspects and are going for the low hanging fruit now. That is why I think it's weird as it is contrary to what was sold when they purchased a stake in the club.
 
KiD MoYeS said:


That will be a black away kit next season now.
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Good start. Now is the the time to build momentum and start another big movement to hopefully finally get rid of these parasites. If they ever attend a game again we need to make it clear they are not welcome inside the ground.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Good start. Now is the the time to build momentum and start another big movement to hopefully finally get rid of these parasites. If they ever attend a game again we need to make it clear they are not welcome inside the ground.
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They don't care, dude.

As long as the so-called 1958 continue to attend matches, the Glazers will in some way get paid. We can dress up however we like.

Maybe this '1958' can bring some of their Qatar flags with them to entice Sheikh Jassim. Team up with The 1975. Matty Healy doubtlessly follows us and is good for publicity.
 
I can get the need to make cuts/reduce expenses/size us for non European football. But what I don't understand is why we couldn't have done it once, got it out the way and started moving forwards. Cut hard once, do it as decently and humanly as possible, and move on. These continuing cuts are massively dispiriting and must be sapping the energy of everyone. Football is the ultimate people business - happy people perform better - and I am not sure Ineos appreciates that sufficiently - little details matter a lot (and that is something that was a big part of SAF's success). I'm not surprised the team looks flat when morale across the club is so low, and so little attention appears to be given to improving it - and I include Amorim in that as well.
 
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MaxZorin said:
They don't care, dude.

As long as the so-called 1958 continue to attend matches, the Glazers will in some way get paid. We can dress up however we like.

Maybe this '1958' can bring some of their Qatar flags with them to entice Sheikh Jassim. Team up with The 1975. Matty Healy doubtlessly follows us and is good for publicity.
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OK, so we'll just sit and accept mediocrity, whilst the club is driven to the brink shall we?

Fans like yourself are why our standards have eroded away, happy enough to sit and take it, whilst ridiculing others attempting to claw back some dignity.
 
pascell said:
OK, so we'll just sit and accept mediocrity, whilst the club is driven to the brink shall we?

Fans like yourself are why our standards have eroded away, happy enough to sit and take it, whilst ridiculing others attempting to claw back some dignity.
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Frustrating, isn't it? Every time a group of fans tries to protest or otherwise take action, no matter how small, lots of posters immediately pop up here to countersignal and ridicule their efforts.
 
pascell said:
OK, so we'll just sit and accept mediocrity, whilst the club is driven to the brink shall we?

Fans like yourself are why our standards have eroded away, happy enough to sit and take it, whilst ridiculing others attempting to claw back some dignity.
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Big Ben Foster said:
Frustrating, isn't it? Every time a group of fans tries to protest or otherwise take action, no matter how small, lots of posters immediately pop up here to countersignal and ridicule their efforts.
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The only method available to supporters which defeats Glazerdom is by not filling their pockets.

Of course, if the so-called 1958, MUST or any other such movement attempted this, it would deprive them of precious publicity.

What you really need is definitive, teleological action, not gesture politics and cosplay.

Hopefully, these protestors are not conflated with our support per se and anyone not riding their bandwagon isn't cynically tarnished as a Glazer stooge.

Hope.


tomaldinho1 said:
Surely this is a popular decision? Definitely should have bulk of team in Manchester.
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It is, but other clubs use London offices for commercial gain. Hasn't stopped city, Liverpool or even Leeds.

There's an opportunity it could go badly and as it is handled by Ineos, likely will.
 
nickm said:
I can get the need to make cuts/reduce expenses/size us for non European football. But what I don't understand is why we couldn't have done it once, got it out the way and started moving forwards. Cut hard once, do it as decently and humanly as possible, and move on. These continuing cuts are massively dispiriting and must be sapping the energy of everyone. Football is the ultimate people business - happy people perform better - and I am not sure Ineos appreciates that sufficiently - little details matter a lot (and that is something that was a big part of SAF's success). I'm not surprised the team looks flat when morale across the club is so low, and so little attention appears to be given to improving it - and I include Amorim in that as well.
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I think the sad reality for big businesses is they prefer to give time for more people to quit/find other jobs than pay out redundancies. Hence the return to office push, which will shake out a few people, then the other measures they have taken. Some associate consultant at BCG or Bain will have a chart which show you save x amount by staggering redundancies and Sir Jim will have lapped it up.
 
MaxZorin said:
It is, but other clubs use London offices for commercial gain. Hasn't stopped city, Liverpool or even Leeds.

There's an opportunity it could go badly and as it is handled by Ineos, likely will.
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It's not being binned though? Just doesn't need to be as big - basically the slogan for how the Glazers ran the club, given it cost them nothing, they cared little for employing to many people, paying too much for transfers, wages, infra etc. Now someone has come in and is paying attention to all that stuff and it shows how loose the Glazers were, essentially treating United like a savings account with a really high interest rate.
 
Grand scheme of things it’s not a big deal, just another small sign of the club in decline with Scrooge popping up the Glazers.
 
Seeing Villa having the liberty to bring on Kamara, Asensio and Ramsey and us having all kids on the bench and no attacking changes except Obi shows how far we have fallen. Man for man i strongly believe Villa has a far better front 6 than us and better bench options as well. Its just season after season signings duds and then all of a sudden letting go 3 attackers on loan does it to you. Why we could not sign Kamara or Tielmens for free (in earlier windows). We have had a shocking January window, and someone should be sacked because of that, we needed options and bodies for replacement of Rashford and Antony, funnily enough when it rains it pours, just when the window was closed after a week or two we had Amad, Martinez and Mainoo out as well. Kind of serves us well for being so cocky and penny pinch.

We could have easily signed Tel and Asensio both were available on loan. I hope whatever 5 to 7M we have saved makes up for us crashing out of Fa cup, Europa and finishing in the bottom half of the table, because it may be the last time we play in Europe for a while, with good reinforcements we would have a good chance to win at least one of Fa cup or Europa league, plus in the league every place we finish higher brings apparently 3M so imagine finishing 10th would have given us another 15M, the accountants also need to have a word with themselves.
 
We need someone with actual successful football experience over a sustained period at the top level in the football structure, whether that’s the manager or the people above him. The key players are all relatively inexperienced / unproven at this level or in their current iterations of their roles (Wilcox, Berrada, Amorim, even Vivell). They might figure it out, but there’s not an established body of work there to give you confidence they will.

I do wonder at what point Berrada and Wilcox will come under pressure from Ratcliffe if there is no improvement under Amorim. Brailsford must also be in the firing line given he was touted as the man with the ability to recruit the ‘best in class’, and has delivered this so far unimpressive football leadership.
 
The protests need to ramp up again. Easy to say from a distance, but it’s the only thing that gets noticed and hopefully prompts some action. Ineos have been atrocious since coming in and the doubts we had about Barrera’s lack of experience, Wilcox’s lack of experience, Brailsworth’s lack of football experience is all coming to fruition in a frightening fast time. SJR is a sitting duck for the Glazers and the harsh reality is next season we are ina relegation fight.
If I thought relegation would force them to sell up then I’d be happy to see us go down this season. Had Amorim come in earlier, we most probably would be.
Get games called off, protest beyond protesting if needs be, but as long as we have the debt and the Glazers this rapid decline will only get worse and there is only one more level we can stoop to.
 
sglowrider said:
The only thing world class at Manchester United has been our commercial team. Bar none. There are reasons so and having an office in London is one of them.
If it ain't broken...
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Not sure you'd feel the same doing a deeper level of analysis beyond revenues.

The commerical team is one of the worst I've ever seen in any industry. Antiquated, inconsistent, incoherent , and out of touch. No meaningful or novel growth strategy.

It's telling that once the on-field success slowed we've become a full on financial disaster.
 
Fahad Jawaid said:
Seeing Villa having the liberty to bring on Kamara, Asensio and Ramsey and us having all kids on the bench and no attacking changes except Obi shows how far we have fallen. Man for man i strongly believe Villa has a far better front 6 than us and better bench options as well. Its just season after season signings duds and then all of a sudden letting go 3 attackers on loan does it to you. Why we could not sign Kamara or Tielmens for free (in earlier windows). We have had a shocking January window, and someone should be sacked because of that, we needed options and bodies for replacement of Rashford and Antony, funnily enough when it rains it pours, just when the window was closed after a week or two we had Amad, Martinez and Mainoo out as well. Kind of serves us well for being so cocky and penny pinch.

We could have easily signed Tel and Asensio both were available on loan. I hope whatever 5 to 7M we have saved makes up for us crashing out of Fa cup, Europa and finishing in the bottom half of the table, because it may be the last time we play in Europe for a while, with good reinforcements we would have a good chance to win at least one of Fa cup or Europa league, plus in the league every place we finish higher brings apparently 3M so imagine finishing 10th would have given us another 15M, the accountants also need to have a word with themselves.
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Our recruitment has been either shite or non existent. As well as the players you mentioned, we could have signed Adam Wharton for £18m about a year ago. We'd have no chance of getting him now
 
Desert Eagle said:
......Now is the the time to build momentum and start another big movement to hopefully finally get rid of these parasites. If they ever attend a game again we need to make it clear they are not welcome inside the ground.
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MaxZorin said:
They don't care, dude.......
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pascell said:
OK, so we'll just sit and accept mediocrity, whilst the club is driven to the brink shall we?.......
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Big Ben Foster said:
Frustrating, isn't it? Every time a group of fans tries to protest or otherwise take action, no matter how small, lots of posters immediately pop up here to countersignal and ridicule their efforts.
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People need to get real.
The Glazers don't give a toss about protests.
They won't lose out financially in any scenario.
It's the club that'll suffer and we'll end up in a far worst mess.

These leeches currently don't take anything out of the club anyway, because of the pause on dividend payments.
As they paid feck all to acquire Utd, whatever the sale value of the club, if they sell their shares, they make a fortune.
The only question is, will it be a huge fortune, or a smaller fortune because the value of the club crashes ?
For the Glazers it’s not a Win Win situation, it's a Win Win Win !

At the end of the day, the bottom line, the reality, is that Utd belongs to them and the other shareholders.
It doesn't belong to you or me, the fans.

We only have one way out of all of this and it's not just down to a dramatic change on the pitch.
Utd need an immediate major financial overhaul, which involves drastic action to stem the losses and trying to get the club on a sustainable footing, before anything can move forward.
Without that, there's no way back.



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