Club ownership | Senior management team talk
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Yes, We need to hit them where it hurts. We must stop going to matches, cancel sky/mutv subscriptions, stop buying any kits will be enough as a start.
As long as Glazers are in the building out situation will not improve.
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I think it's very difficulty to organise protests or make a statement at OT.
There's so many diversity of fans. I go to 2 games a season at least (Ireland). Some seasons could be 4 or 5 games but that hasn't been in a while.
There's been probably 3 games I can recall where there was Anti Glazer protests. Last season there was a walk planned (didn't make it because of travel schedule etc) and they ended up outside the Trinity statue. I am not saying this in any racist way but there must have been 300 Asian fans all with new jerseys on and bags from the megastore. I don't think they had a clue what the chants and banners were when they passed them.
Not just Asians, there's so many people from different countries that going to OT might be a one time thing and they are going to make the most of it, which they have a right too.
I think the protests can get a little lost in the scheme of things because there's such a large scale of fans. Liverpool don't get as many ''tourists''. I may be considered a tourist but I know OT and I love my routine every time I'm there. I've been going for 15 years now with my father and my brother. Nothing like it!
Anyhow, I just explained that since I'm not a season ticket holder and don't want to come across as I am having a go at the ''tourists''.
There's so many diversity of fans. I go to 2 games a season at least (Ireland). Some seasons could be 4 or 5 games but that hasn't been in a while.
There's been probably 3 games I can recall where there was Anti Glazer protests. Last season there was a walk planned (didn't make it because of travel schedule etc) and they ended up outside the Trinity statue. I am not saying this in any racist way but there must have been 300 Asian fans all with new jerseys on and bags from the megastore. I don't think they had a clue what the chants and banners were when they passed them.
Not just Asians, there's so many people from different countries that going to OT might be a one time thing and they are going to make the most of it, which they have a right too.
I think the protests can get a little lost in the scheme of things because there's such a large scale of fans. Liverpool don't get as many ''tourists''. I may be considered a tourist but I know OT and I love my routine every time I'm there. I've been going for 15 years now with my father and my brother. Nothing like it!
Anyhow, I just explained that since I'm not a season ticket holder and don't want to come across as I am having a go at the ''tourists''.
Irrespective of tourists, we have a lot of fans, each with their own individual perspectives. It’s definitely a diverse landscape.
There are those who love to moan about ‘the execs’, those who love to ‘judge’ our coaching/management, those who will always ’criticise’ the players, those who go on and on about ‘standards’, and that’s before we even get to all the captain hindsights.
They’re all entitled to their perspectives, doesn’t mean they are right or wrong. But that diversity and individuality makes the whole thing interesting.
Conversely, all the ‘fanbase’ generalisations on here are so banal.
That's true. As I said I'm in the category of half tourist half not.
I know a lot of people like me who go to a few games a season. Even in my home town, there must be 20 lads I know of that do this and if any of us get a ticket, we aren't going to boycott the game when we only attend a couple times a season.
I knew a tout (doesn't do it anymore because of how the ticket system changed last few years), he used to work for the club so he had a lot of contacts and knew a lot of season ticket holders etc.. He had access to around 400 tickets. One week 100 could be available and basically you had to know a guy who knew him to get a ticket. He'd meet you at Trinity statue lets say and you give it back at the end of the game. It was expensive but he managed to even get me 3 tickets for Liverpool (I think we lost 3 nil and Suarez battered us), on the week of the fixture and they were 100 pounds each. But, he was trustworthy, reliable so I didn't mind.
Which kind of leads to this point. There is a massive amount of season ticket holders who might only go to half the games and make money or cover they costs with selling the other half.
On a match day, there could be 10000 tourists who go rarely or only once in a lifetime. There must be close to 10000 going from Ireland every week.
So I think when trying to organise the likes of a protest it's too hard to get a movement going that will actually make a difference.
He's another pocket sized CB (5ft11). United as a whole had decided for taller defenders who can win a header and won't break next time he goes toe to toe against a typical 6ft3 striker
Always found it a bit strange when players say they need new signings. They're basically publicly admitting that some of their teammates need replacing because they're not good enough. So they clearly must have some players in mind that aren't good enough. Which is a thought many players will have of course but why make it public that you think that? They should name some names and at least make it interesting!
I’m sure if he was pushed on the matter, he would simply cop out with a “we just need more cover and squad depth”. Although he is signalling that we need a lot of improvement, he’s hardly going to say that Onana, Rasmus are shite and need turfing out.
Well to be honest, kind of like sayin its everybody else and not me. We need new, younger blood on the team, no doubt, but yeah, I think Maguire is one of those that they need to replace. In fact, there are maybe 4-5 starters that they could keep and the rest can be shown the door. The only concern, cannot go through another ETH scenario where he had no idea on what is needed to compete at this level.
Time to face the facts. We were successful/having relatives success in spite of our ownership model/the manner in which they take dividends whilst investing nothing of their own into the club. Yes, the Glazers may have spent big historically but it was always via funds the club had generated.
We are simply not going to be generating anywhere near the revenue off the pitch to make us competitive for European qualification (UCL or EL) for the foreseeable future.
Simply put, we need to be owned by someone/a group willing to fork out a lot of their own money to get us back to the top and the Glazers/Ineos are categorically not that. Things are going to get a lot worse. Buckle the feck up Utd fans - we are in a whirlwind of trouble.
We are simply not going to be generating anywhere near the revenue off the pitch to make us competitive for European qualification (UCL or EL) for the foreseeable future.
Simply put, we need to be owned by someone/a group willing to fork out a lot of their own money to get us back to the top and the Glazers/Ineos are categorically not that. Things are going to get a lot worse. Buckle the feck up Utd fans - we are in a whirlwind of trouble.
Simply put, this club is on life support and it's very close to having the plug pulled
Big summer ahead rebuilding the attack. United need to get to the champions league or we will struggle financially
The reality is that until the Glazers are gone and the debts paid off man united are going nowhere. I actually think the glazers are happy to let the club fall into administration. Nothing is changing not in the summer or 5 years/10 years nothing.
Clubs finished with the Glazers in charge. There is no way we are getting back to Fergie year levels with these parasites sucking the club dry and the huge anchor of debt. Reality is we need a crazy rich owner, not to splurge on players (the club generates enough money to do that if the debt isn’t there), but to repay the debt and rebuild the stadium and other facilities. It ain’t happening any other way and people need to face facts. Look at how Newcastles mood changed when Ashley moved on, even the players that were there suddenly improved and their morale had a huge lift. Bad ownership is felt right down at the playing level.
We are arguably been run worse than we were a year ago. Results on and off the pitch are dire. We’ve closer to relegation than European qualification. We have a technical director who has achieved nothing at the top level. A CEO who has been found out for making a poor managerial appointment and SJR who is making us a laughing stock.
I don’t see one figure on the pitch, in the dig out or in the boardroom who I can look at and think we might make it through this.
We’re going to be relegated next season and it couldn’t happen to a more deserving club.
I don’t see one figure on the pitch, in the dig out or in the boardroom who I can look at and think we might make it through this.
We’re going to be relegated next season and it couldn’t happen to a more deserving club.
It's just a crying shame that there's no personal liability on their part. The company can go to the wall but apart from the financial loss, the Glazers won't suffer harm.
For the debt to be paid off Ratcliffe needs to feck off as well. Not that I would be against that
Is there anything positive to be said about this club at the moment?
The chicken isn't as bad at Old Trafford
We've got some pretty decent youngsters coming through.
I don't think this Summers transfer window was a disaster. DeLigt, Ugarte and Maz are decent purchases. If we made more transfers of that quality then we'll do better. But we can't afford any high value disasters anymore and certainly can't repeat past disaster windows.
Except for then $200m they invested when the deal was completed and a further $100m in December?
A striker and a right wing back are crucial
Right as far as youngsters go then I think as soon as they are good enough INEOS are planning to sell them.
They are hoping a few of these youngsters they bought cheap turn out to be a 50m sell.
I genuinely can't believe there's not more anger amongst fans regarding the ownership right now. Reality is, if a group came in to buy an EPL club in the same way the Glazers came in for us, the rules now in place would not allow it. Everyone knows it's a totally leacherous model. But we are still stuck with our owners under this exact model.
If we weren't such a giant when they came in, we would have fallen so much further under their ownership. Until we get them completely out we will only continue to tumble into obscurity and irrelevance. They have gutted and destroyed everything we built over they best part of 30 years. We were in a worse situation when Fergie came in.
If we weren't such a giant when they came in, we would have fallen so much further under their ownership. Until we get them completely out we will only continue to tumble into obscurity and irrelevance. They have gutted and destroyed everything we built over they best part of 30 years. We were in a worse situation when Fergie came in.
Yeh, I'm surprised there's not a lot of anger on the winter window, it was an absolute disaster. To me when they didn't want to bring in any attack loans when our attack got thinner meant they didn't care about the season
Trouble is there's nobody to cook it.
You don't even have to name any names man. The stats are there for all to see. Just as an example
£72,000,000 Rasmus Højlund vs Fulham by numbers:
- 0 goals
- 0 assists
- 0 shots on target
- 0% shot accuracy
- 0 successful dribbles
- 0 ground duels won
- 9 touches
- Subbed off
You’re going to need 50p to put in the electricity meter too.
(Yes that right young people - you used to have to put physical coins into the electric meter and a bloke would come once a month to empty it - that’s how you paid your electricity bill)
That's a typical performance from him too
Agree with this other than the idea we will get relegated next season (that will very likely be the promoted teams)
Its a bit of a joke how many on here are just willing to say its all the glazers fault and not like at the performance of ineos. As you say we have wasted significant amounts of money under them on bad decisions e.g ten hags contract and lots of signings that haven't improved the team. Initially it seemed like they were going to put a structure in place but now we have ended up with berrada making decisions on football matters despite having no real experience in that area, and wilcox in a role that is quite probably bigger than his experience warrants. It's like they have gone put of their way to recreate the woodward and murtough partnership.
I don't think we should bave appointed amorim but now think we are going to back him even if it becomes incredibly obvious it isn't working given he was berradas pick. If he goes I don't have any faith we will make a decent appointment
The focus was on the financial side of the club and stemming the £1million annual losses. They must have known top 4 was a non-starter so hoped for cup run leaving their new head coach to cope as best he could. The latest round of injuries hasn't helped; especially losing Amad to a training ground injury. We should have got a couple of loanees in for sure, especially with Rashford going to Villa but hindsight is 20/20.
Worrying isn't it and its not even his price tag that bothers me. As a forward he can't even do the basics right. All players have off days but the bare minimum needed is the basics. Pass, shoot or try to make things happen. We're essentially playing with 10 men if we have this guy upfront.
A 17 year old kid came on and did more than this donkey has in his last few games combined.
INEOS f'd it by hiring a coach that's totally unsuited to these players, despite knowing they couldn't actually shift many of them or have the FFP room to buy new ones.
When Ten Hag was sacked we were two wins off the top four in fair weather. Look at us now.
They knew what Amorim was before they hired him. They should have known better. In the cold light of day the decisions they have made have made us worse not better. You can argue the toss about it but the results speak for themselves.
They could have hired any half-decent 4231/433 manager who was willing to play to the strengths of our squad, not magnify its weaknesses, and not slumped to the point where relegation was not an unrealistic idea and we could play 120 minutes against Fulham and never put Leno under sustained pressure.
What we're seeing now is not on Amorim but on the guys who picked him.
When Ten Hag was sacked we were two wins off the top four in fair weather. Look at us now.
They knew what Amorim was before they hired him. They should have known better. In the cold light of day the decisions they have made have made us worse not better. You can argue the toss about it but the results speak for themselves.
They could have hired any half-decent 4231/433 manager who was willing to play to the strengths of our squad, not magnify its weaknesses, and not slumped to the point where relegation was not an unrealistic idea and we could play 120 minutes against Fulham and never put Leno under sustained pressure.
What we're seeing now is not on Amorim but on the guys who picked him.
It was a shilling when I was a kid.
INEOS get a free pass and by default so do the glazers. Imagine if this season was entirely on the glazers, everything from job cuts, winter transfer window, and league position. There would be outrage and protest like we’ve never seen.
The Glazers played a blinder. Truly a lesson in propaganda, PR, and how to fool fans.
No disrespect to Fulham but if we can't beat them then we've got zero chance of winning the Europa League.
It's going to get messy. And not the good kind.
It's a boiling frog situation. At first you're still fighting for titles, then it's for top 4, then minor cups, then not even that. In the meantime the lowering of standards is slow but steady for about 20 years. The people who saw it coming early on are too tired/defeated by now. The rest are either desorganized, in denial (we have seen plenty of them in here) or oblivious.
As you've said, the way to solve this whole thing is to A) clear the debt and B) get the Glazers to sell. Everything else is less important than this two main roadblocks. Then United may compete again, sometimes doing great, sometimes doing not that great. But You can't really compete with the fetters on.