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Don't see why it has to be one or the other.

The Glazers and their cronies left us in a precarious position and INEOS inherited a mess, but most of INEOS's actions since have done very little to inspire confidence, and there isn't much evidence that an actual plan exists to get us back in the right direction.
 
Extend managers contract before sacking him months later.

Hire and fire a DoF within a few months

Give the new manager an ultimatum about coming now or never mid season and not backing him in the window when it was obvious from day 1 this squad could not fit his system

Let’s not beat around the bush pretty much every single sporting venture INEOS have touched has been a shit show they’re fecking useless and now we’re stuck with them
 
The Glazers have been a issue for a long time and they've definitely contributed heavily towards our downfall. But since INEOS came in they've also made things worse. The midfield could've been upgraded to the requisite standards but their signings in that area have been a waste of money and has meant we're still a one dimensional team.

Once again today, our attackers were feeding of direct long balls from the back and that tactic can be effective against teams like Spurs who like to play higher up the pitch. Our best chances fell to Garnacho who unfortunately couldn't score when he should've.

The big issue is clearly in midfield and without having midfielders who have the ability to both attack and defend at a good level it will hinder both the forward and backlines. The midfield is quite simply no where near the standards befitting a club of United's stature. And if INEOS believe that spending big money on a striker without improving the midfield will make a big difference then I fear Amorim will get the sack at some point next season unless the midfielders in the youth surprise us.
 
The club is on its knees financially, I’ve said it before, whilst it’s terrible to see the club in this state the one positive I think will be that the Glazers will finally have to sell. They can’t milk the club anymore and the debt is hindering progress on other things like the stadium rebuild. They won’t put any of their own money in so it’s become untenable. If this goes on much longer we’ll end up like Leeds did 20 years ago.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Don't see why it has to be one or the other.

The Glazers and their cronies left us in a precarious position and INEOS inherited a mess, but most of INEOS's actions since have done very little to inspire confidence, and there isn't much evidence that an actual plan exists to get us back in the right direction.
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Exactly.
 
As i see it, INEOS saved the Glazer's as without their minority ownership option, they would have been forced to sell the club in full.

They have come in, not cleared the debt and basically implied that they won't invest further and the club needs to be self sufficient.

This, in a world where we are already miles behind and the competition getting fierce.

IMO, INEOS have just prolonged the suffering of the football club and fanbase. You won't here G Neville say it as he stands to gain, but a club with the history and aspirations of Manchester united cannot be self sufficient, catch-up and pay over £40m per year. Those things just don't stack.

Glazers and INEOS need to go, but it won't happen.
 
Speaking of the "game model", are our youth teams playing with 3 at the back and similar tactics to our first team? Or did that idea go away entirely?
 
redNATION said:
The club is on its knees financially, I’ve said it before, whilst it’s terrible to see the club in this state the one positive I think will be that the Glazers will finally have to sell. They can’t milk the club anymore and the debt is hindering progress on other things like the stadium rebuild. They won’t put any of their own money in so it’s become untenable. If this goes on much longer we’ll end up like Leeds did 20 years ago.
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They can milk the club and you have just seen how. They can continue to sell off their shares, and the eventually sell in full.

The higher the debt gets the less viable it becomes for the eventual full buyer to clear the debt too. So the difficulties potential outlast them, as you attract buyers who are happy to carry that debt such as hedge funds.
 
lilcurt said:
As i see it, INEOS saved the Glazer's as without their minority ownership option, they would have been forced to sell the club in full.

They have come in, not cleared the debt and basically implied that they won't invest further and the club needs to be self sufficient.

This, in a world where we are already miles behind and the competition getting fierce.

IMO, INEOS have just prolonged the suffering of the football club and fanbase. You won't here G Neville say it as he stands to gain, but a club with the history and aspirations of Manchester united cannot be self sufficient, catch-up and pay over £40m per year. Those things just don't stack.

Glazers and INEOS need to go, but it won't happen.
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Forced in full while there was no bid. We are a huge mess thanks to the Glazers and they continue to make it worse
 
Castia said:
Extend managers contract before sacking him months later.

Hire and fire a DoF within a few months

Give the new manager an ultimatum about coming now or never mid season and not backing him in the window when it was obvious from day 1 this squad could not fit his system

Let’s not beat around the bush pretty much every single sporting venture INEOS have touched has been a shit show they’re fecking useless and now we’re stuck with them
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Totally agree. Can hardly see anything positive since they took over.

It feels like Big Jim took over just to make the city build a new stadium so that it could be his legacy.
 
redNATION said:
The club is on its knees financially, I’ve said it before, whilst it’s terrible to see the club in this state the one positive I think will be that the Glazers will finally have to sell. They can’t milk the club anymore and the debt is hindering progress on other things like the stadium rebuild. They won’t put any of their own money in so it’s become untenable. If this goes on much longer we’ll end up like Leeds did 20 years ago.
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Nobody was able to meet their valuation and currently we're much worse. I don't think we're an attractive prospect at the moment. But I do agree that if they aren't wiling to invest, I don't see how the club can move forward.
 
Escobar said:
Forced in full while there was no bid. We are a huge mess thanks to the Glazers and they continue to make it worse
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There was no bid because of the asking price.

If no one came in they would have needed to lower the price, we know now that they NEEDED to raise funds to keep things afloat as has been reported this week.

In the end they had INEOS who would invest at a value, lower the price a billion and there may have been many other alternatives.
 
Short of 500 million investment into the squad in the summer there is no fix for how shit we are and even that requires perfect recruitment
 
INEOS get criticised for running the club like a business, but the crux of the matter is that they can't even do that well. Anyone who has worked in a corporate environment is familiar with risk analysis and disaster management. It's a necessary evil. Be prepared for the worst. INEOS have left our squad thread-bare and unprepared for a situation which anyone with an ounce of common sense could see might happen. Especially with our track-record of injuries. INEOS' risk strategy has been keep your fingers crossed and pray. Which just demonstrates that even when it comes to business they act like a bunch of fecking amateurs.
 
Prodigy24 said:
Totally agree. Can hardly see anything positive since they took over.

It feels like Big Jim took over just to make the city build a new stadium so that it could be his legacy.
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And start to pocket money. When he came, he said money is not the problem at united, we generate enough money, now all of a sudden the club is broke and we can not bring a single attacker while shipping 2 in January. I do not believe him and he will not get the benefit of the doubt from my side.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
Where do they go from here?..
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They treat the football club as a soulless corporation, not a sporting organization with hundreds of millions of passionate supporters. I hope they sell in the summer when they notice they are not up to the task (not going to happen).
 
Giggsyking said:
And start to pocket money. When he came, he said money is not the problem at united, we generate enough money, now all of a sudden the club is broke and we can not bring a single attacker while shipping 2 in January. I do not believe him and he will not get the benefit of the doubt from my side.
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Yep. Hard to believe Jim considers himself a fan of the club given the way it's being run at the moment. I can't imagine how any fan would allow this to happen, if they had any say in the matter . Not just on the pitch but the decisions they've taken off it too, hurting the community and the folk that's kept it running for yours. It beggars belief.

I've never felt less enthusiastic about the club I've supported for over 40 years. It's so disappointing - not simply the results - I don't expect my team to win every game, I just want them to turn up and fight for it - but it's the lack of respect for the club, its people and its history. It's just so wrong. I brought my kids up as fans and hoped they'd get the same experience out of supporting the club that I did... not a chance right now. It's an embarrassment.
 
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Nobody was able to meet their valuation and currently we're much worse. I don't think we're an attractive prospect at the moment. But I do agree that if they aren't wiling to invest, I don't see how the club can move forward.
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They are hanging around as they see something in the pipeline to make them money. Its not going to be on pitch success, so you assume a superleague or simply the new stadium and land regeneration, which is 6/7 years away. Incredibly depressing
 
Jippy said:
Ineos have sadly underwhelmed though. It's still early days and some positives, but the keeping of ETH and hiring of Amorim midseason and the Ashworth fiasco reek of incompetence.
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Aye, so-so and it was what I was expecting. Personally, I do not feel over or underwhelmed by Ineos.

Is there a such word as 'whelmed'?

Word.

sphagnum said:
INEOS get criticised for running the club like a business, but the crux of the matter is that they can't even do that well
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Again, and I hate to labour the point, but the brute fact is United will have to find the money from somewhere, and whatever decisions we make, like Ashworth, are ultimately a gamble.

Prodigy24 said:
It feels like Big Jim took over just to make the city build a new stadium so that it could be his legacy.
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Can't see it.

Nobody really cares about stadia. Levy has made a fantastic new home for Spurs but ask him what he'd really want his legacy to be and I'd imagine he'd say a successful Spurs to fill it.

Same with Ratcliffe. He's already done rags to riches and nobody cares.

He'll want a slice of Fergie Pie.

Giggsyking said:
They treat the football club as a soulless corporation, not a sporting organization with hundreds of millions of passionate supporters. I hope they sell in the summer when they notice they are not up to the task (not going to happen).
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In fairness, we are both, aren't we?

'Hundreds of millions of passionate' anything is meat and drink to venture capitalists.

Indeed, in between deep corruption within the game's administration, the excesses of sportswashing (yes, Qatar are included), gambling adverts, Red Bull and the like, the entire edifice of football is somewhat soulless.
 
Relegation might save this club. Short to medium term pain but perhaps a sure fire way the Glazers would sell up and leave when the possibility of any profitability is well and truly gone. Then perhaps a rebuild can start in earnest.
 
DRJosh said:
Relegation might save this club. Short to medium term pain but perhaps a sure fire way the Glazers would sell up and leave when the possibility of any profitability is well and truly gone. Then perhaps a rebuild can start in earnest.
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Or they could just wait one season until we come up again, I don't see how relegation would deter them if they really are intending on sticking around.

I'm still holding onto the hope that they are just waiting for Ineos to buy up the rest of their shares for the same inflated price they paid for the 27 % they have already.

If the scumbags are waiting for the stadium to be built and how the super league thing plays out then I think we need to pray for insolvency, as until they're fully gone I don't see any future for United.
 
Not done a single positive thing since they took over and I could’ve guessed that when they kept Ten Hag on in the summer. Absolutely ridiculous decision. Never mind give him a new contract and millions to spend.
 
MaxZorin said:
Again, and I hate to labour the point, but the brute fact is United will have to find the money from somewhere, and whatever decisions we make, like Ashworth, are ultimately a gamble.
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Fair enough, and businesses do gamble. But that's where risk management comes in again - you don't gamble without having a backup plan if it goes wrong. What is the backup plan for Ashworth not working out? Oh, we'll just absorb his position into the board and it'll be like he never existed. Pointless exercise. Shabby management.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Or they could just wait one season until we come up again, I don't see how relegation would deter them if they really are intending on sticking around.

I'm still holding onto the hope that they are just waiting for Ineos to buy up the rest of their shares for the same inflated price they paid for the 27 % they have already.

If the scumbags are waiting for the stadium to be built and how the super league thing plays out then I think we need to pray for insolvency, as until they're fully gone I don't see any future for United.
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That was one of the considerations behind the review.
 
redNATION said:
The club is on its knees financially, I’ve said it before, whilst it’s terrible to see the club in this state the one positive I think will be that the Glazers will finally have to sell. They can’t milk the club anymore and the debt is hindering progress on other things like the stadium rebuild. They won’t put any of their own money in so it’s become untenable. If this goes on much longer we’ll end up like Leeds did 20 years ago.
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I don’t know I think they have a plan that involves them being around a fair bit longer. Maybe another small dilution could occur to get funds in but even that is wishful thinking.

There was an SEC filing last year for potentially raising 400m but that more likely to be related to debt or the stadium.

I think the Glazers are so greedy they will never be satisfied and they’ll cling on through thick and thin because their biggest fear would be selling and seeing somebody else make money.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Speaking of the "game model", are our youth teams playing with 3 at the back and similar tactics to our first team? Or did that idea go away entirely?
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From the games I’ve watched this season it’s been 4-2-3-1 with either Ibragimov or Jack Fletcher as the 10, this is what winds me up most about the Ashworth thing as he’s known to want the same system from the first team down to the academies so it’s easy for kids to transition to the first team.
 
davidmichael said:
From the games I’ve watched this season it’s been 4-2-3-1 with either Ibragimov or Jack Fletcher as the 10, this is what winds me up most about the Ashworth thing as he’s known to want the same system from the first team down to the academies so it’s easy for kids to transition to the first team.
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Unfortunate to hear. That's more evidence that all the "game model" talk was just talk and there's no actual plan in place.
 
lilcurt said:
As i see it, INEOS saved the Glazer's as without their minority ownership option, they would have been forced to sell the club in full.

They have come in, not cleared the debt and basically implied that they won't invest further and the club needs to be self sufficient.

This, in a world where we are already miles behind and the competition getting fierce.

IMO, INEOS have just prolonged the suffering of the football club and fanbase. You won't here G Neville say it as he stands to gain, but a club with the history and aspirations of Manchester united cannot be self sufficient, catch-up and pay over £40m per year. Those things just don't stack.

Glazers and INEOS need to go, but it won't happen.
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Exactly this.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I’ve been defensive of them because I think they’re getting a lot of unnecessary criticism for cleaning up Glazer mess

But the decision to not get a forward in January was diabolical. Absolutely ridiculous. Could easily cost us CL football for next season
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You make it sound like we're sitting in 2nd and faltering due to an injury crisis.

There is absolutely no way we win the EL, we're painfully average and the league table doesn't lie.
 
lilcurt said:
As i see it, INEOS saved the Glazer's as without their minority ownership option, they would have been forced to sell the club in full.

They have come in, not cleared the debt and basically implied that they won't invest further and the club needs to be self sufficient.

This, in a world where we are already miles behind and the competition getting fierce.

IMO, INEOS have just prolonged the suffering of the football club and fanbase. You won't here G Neville say it as he stands to gain, but a club with the history and aspirations of Manchester united cannot be self sufficient, catch-up and pay over £40m per year. Those things just don't stack.

Glazers and INEOS need to go, but it won't happen.
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Unfortunately many on here will respond with things like ‘better than Qatar’, or ‘there was no other bids’ or some other defensive bullshit. There’s a few on the Cafe on Jim’s payroll.
 
lilcurt said:
As i see it, INEOS saved the Glazer's as without their minority ownership option, they would have been forced to sell the club in full.

They have come in, not cleared the debt and basically implied that they won't invest further and the club needs to be self sufficient.

This, in a world where we are already miles behind and the competition getting fierce.

IMO, INEOS have just prolonged the suffering of the football club and fanbase. You won't here G Neville say it as he stands to gain, but a club with the history and aspirations of Manchester united cannot be self sufficient, catch-up and pay over £40m per year. Those things just don't stack.

Glazers and INEOS need to go, but it won't happen.
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Our owner DGAF.

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Mercurial said:
Our owner DGAF.

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Just look at the state of that, he could just as easily be the local hobo, and not one of the people who has stolen millions from a club that had nothing to do with him.

The PL should hang its head in shame by allowing leveraged buyouts and State ownership, the consequences of which are now been played out.
 
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