Club ownership | Senior management team talk

It’s been pretty depressing on here lately but even more depressing is being a United Fan in the last 12 months!

I’d really like to know if there are genuine INEOS fans that think they are doing a fantastic job and will get it right eventually, Nothing in their history of running football clubs suggests this will happen?

Now SPINEOS are briefing the media that the club didn’t want to buy MDL and
J Zirkzee and both these transfers were decided by Dan Ashcroft and ETH and this is one of the reasons why Dan Ashworth got the boot.

We are finding out that if you over order a staple you could lose your job at old Trafford and all of the joy at working for the club has been driven out of the club. Some of the media is reporting SJR is much more hands on than people thought and Sir David Brailsford and SJR have a spy in the corridors of old Trafford reporting every step, every email and every sh.. an employee takes!

Now some of this may well indeed been fake news by the media but never have a fan base been so mislead, been so mistreated, so abused and yet we still blindly follow the club through thick and thin, I’m going to buck the trend this weekend and I have a feeling we are going to find a much needed win from somewhere, I may be wrong but one thing that will always be true is that;

Man United Will Never Die
 
RopersReturn said:
Shouldn’t the clubs value be decided by a financial institution independent of the Glazers though?
They should cut the asking price considerably seeing as their (assets) OT and Carrington are going to need to be rebuilt.
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Think i recall the company involved with the process recommended a full sale. The glazers will never be happy with a fair price
 
ChippyTea said:
We are talking a man who says he dislikes “people who get the bus” and put it front and centre of the INEOS mission statement - a company that have been embroiled in battles with unions for years for the poor treatment of staff, pay freezes, miserly changes to pensions… the list goes on.

This is not just a shake up, this is a man imposing his own stingy business ideologies on a football club, carrying out short term decisions for which it could potentially take a years to see the full consequences of, for example cutting back our scouting department.

Meanwhile they are haemorrhaging millions in the first season of control at an astonishing rate on bad footballing decisions.
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Yep, I can't comment on whether the redundancies were sensible but stuff like raising ticket prices for kids, cutting charitable donations, gratuity tickets for the womens team or small perks for staff is just embarrassing bargain basement stuff.

The really obvious point which some seem keen to ignore is that the money saved through this type of stuff is a tiny fraction of what they have wasted via idiotic decisions on the football side of things e.g. keeping ten hag on, hiring/firing ashworth
 
clarkydaz said:
Think i recall the company involved with the process recommended a full sale. The glazers will never be happy with a fair price
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I’m sure Raine told the parasites to go with a full sale and the co owner of Raine himself said they valued the club at $6.5 billion so around £5 billion, he said that Jassim was very real and the Qataris had gone to £4.5 billion but the parasites refused to accept and Ratcliffe effectively prolonged their stay with his minority share bid.

It just shows the greed of the parasitic cnuts as they’d have got £4.5 billion to share (so £750 million each) as pure profit seeing as they never put a penny into the club and never paid to buy it either yet even £750 million each wasn’t enough to get them to go, Ratcliffe simply extended it all and doesn’t have the money to buy them fully out.
 
Are the media posting misleading figures in relation to the transfer debt? I keep reading how much we owe but no mention of income from the players we've sold, Is this taken into account? We sold €103,000,000 worth of players this summer alone
 
davidmichael said:
I’m sure Raine told the parasites to go with a full sale and the co owner of Raine himself said they valued the club at $6.5 billion so around £5 billion, he said that Jassim was very real and the Qataris had gone to £4.5 billion but the parasites refused to accept and Ratcliffe effectively prolonged their stay with his minority share bid.

It just shows the greed of the parasitic cnuts as they’d have got £4.5 billion to share (so £750 million each) as pure profit seeing as they never put a penny into the club and never paid to buy it either yet even £750 million each wasn’t enough to get them to go, Ratcliffe simply extended it all and doesn’t have the money to buy them fully out.
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They sold Rashford and INEOS on the dream of a new stadium, land that they owned in the regeneration area and the fact that a dysfunctional club had come 3rd and 8th but generally was a CL team with the new 5 team rule of the EPL carried on its 80% coefficient factor.

INEOS believed, foolishly with their new structure that could consolidate United as a CL team and they could push for the title in 3/4 years.

The Parasitic Glazers actually briefed the press they were looking for £7-8 billion and were living in cloud cuckoo land, the reality now is we will have 3 to 4 years as a mid to bottom league PL table and gradually rebuild to a Top 6 team by 2027/28 season, this is the remit of INEOS, they go through multiple staff and eventually someone sticks who does a job that they accept, look at Nice literally last 4 seasons yo yo club between 5th and 9th, last season 5th, this season 3rd probably end up 5th again, out of Europe before February, no real ambition or drive, like most of his sporting ventures, Sir Jim likes to partner with others but when real ambition is needed, he tends to tighten the purse strings?
 
P0GBA said:
Are the media posting misleading figures in relation to the transfer debt? I keep reading how much we owe but no mention of income from the players we've sold, Is this taken into account? We sold €103,000,000 worth of players this summer alone
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You need to take into consideration amortisation with transfers which is why the figures most likely aren’t wrong, scary thing is we sold Greenwood and McTominay who were both academy players so pure profit and we’re still fecked financially.
 
davidmichael said:
I’m sure Raine told the parasites to go with a full sale and the co owner of Raine himself said they valued the club at $6.5 billion so around £5 billion, he said that Jassim was very real and the Qataris had gone to £4.5 billion but the parasites refused to accept and Ratcliffe effectively prolonged their stay with his minority share bid.

It just shows the greed of the parasitic cnuts as they’d have got £4.5 billion to share (so £750 million each) as pure profit seeing as they never put a penny into the club and never paid to buy it either yet even £750 million each wasn’t enough to get them to go, Ratcliffe simply extended it all and doesn’t have the money to buy them fully out.
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It's bonkers isn't it. Just how much money do people need? £750 million would last umpteen lifetimes. They would never be able to spend that much, but they want more. Just fecking greedy. It seems to be a trait with billionaires. Jim Ratcliffe, Alan Sugar, James Dyson all fecking loaded but want more, and whinge about paying a bit of tax. And, they're all coffin dodgers. Do they not realise that once you're dead that's it, game over. You can't take it with you.
 
Woziak said:
They sold Rashford and INEOS on the dream of a new stadium, land that they owned in the regeneration area and the fact that a dysfunctional club had come 3rd and 8th but generally was a CL team with the new 5 team rule of the EPL carried on its 80% coefficient factor.

INEOS believed, foolishly with their new structure that could consolidate United as a CL team and they could push for the title in 3/4 years.

The Parasitic Glazers actually briefed the press they were looking for £7-8 billion and were living in cloud cuckoo land, the reality now is we will have 3 to 4 years as a mid to bottom league PL table and gradually rebuild to a Top 6 team by 2027/28 season, this is the remit of INEOS, they go through multiple staff and eventually someone sticks who does a job that they accept, look at Nice literally last 4 seasons yo yo club between 5th and 9th, last season 5th, this season 3rd probably end up 5th again, out of Europe before February, no real ambition or drive, like most of his sporting ventures, Sir Jim likes to partner with others but when real ambition is needed, he tends to tighten the purse strings?
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sure they said to Qatar look you are close, give them a billion each and that will do it. Thing is, when this new stadium/regeneration is delivered on a silver plate to them, the value will skyrocket. So with Sir jim already overpaying, they will likely be around that stupid figure they wanted
 
Dan_F said:
I’m not even sure what point you’re making vs my post. It’s no surprise that owners who have completely mismanaged the financial side of the business, have also mismanaged the football side of the business.

Could we have continued winning things with the debt as it is, yeah sure. But we never stood as chance with owners that were happy to suck the club dry.
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My point is - if the money we spent on Pogba, Lukaku, di Maria, Casemiro, Antony, Hojlund etc - had been spent on 3-4 really good signings - we would have been fighting for C.L today regardless of interests or not
 
Gavinb33 said:
Redundancy as shit as it is happens in multiple organisations every year, the company I used to work for despite having record revenue and profit the year before laid off 40% of their workforce and sent the jobs offshore, that place was not a toxic workplace these things happen, I decided to leave anyway but that would have been X2 I've been made redundant the only reason it's in the news is because it's United
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That I find hard to believe, unless the ones left were so, so grateful they hadn't been chopped.

I've been in places where far fewer have been let go and they were mega toxic.
 
alexthelion said:
That I find hard to believe, unless the ones left were so, so grateful they hadn't been chopped.

I've been in places where far fewer have been let go and they were mega toxic.
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Both can be true, some people even volunteer because they're getting 'free' money - I know that if I was made redundant I'd be rubbing my hands in glee
 
I never thought it could happen, even with the Glazers leeching, but I fear this could end up in a Leeds type meltdown.
 
Quite happy for the glazers private jet to go missing over the Atlantic with all of them in it and never to be found.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Well they're right, but also they shouldn't really be surprised by the leaks... If staff aren't being treated well, there will be leaks.
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Nothing justify being unprofessional. Unfortunately the only solution (been there, done that) is to find a job somewhere else

What it does teach you though is that the workplace is the workplace. You go there, you earn your money and you leave. Time, passion and dedication should be spent with your loved ones.
 

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I think some are so desperate for good news, they miss the top line. The Glazers remain in control and our crippling debt remains. We had a chance to shed the lot and have meaningful club investment with the Qataris. It didnt happen. I am preparing myself for more years of mediocrity. Ratcliffe = Glazers = Not messiah.​

 
bosnian_red said:
Point is that this only happens because it's an incredibly toxic work environment where people feel this information should be brought to light rather than them just going around cutting everyone and no complaints
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No, it's because it's Manchester United and spilling the tea is refined clickbate. It's completely normal for staff in almost any job to adhere to a level of confidentiality. If you don't believe me, try going to a newspaper and telling them the ins and outs of your workplace. One they won't care because you don't work for Manchester United, two, if they did, you would be fired.

Just because there is a headline, we don't need to lose our tiny chicken-sized minds.

Yes. We are in the shit.

No. It's of absolutely no surprise to anyone paying even the slightest bit of attention over the last twelve years.

No, people are not losing their jobs because of the fumbling around Ten Hag and Dan Ashworth - As a side note - 80% of people here were clamoring to keep Ten Hag after the FA Cup final. The post ejaculation stupidity in the fan base, especially from loudmouths on forums like this, did a lot to help make that bad decision easier, so fecking own it.

People are losing their jobs because The Glazers have cost Manchester United a billion pounds, and at no point in the last decade or so have they offered any leadership whatsoever, they've let the company get bloated and rot and there is no more money to throw at the problem.

Manchester United are going bust. Drastic action is essential. It will be uncomfortable, it won't always be right. Billionaires are generally not good people, but this one has put more money into Manchester United than any person ever has, and it's literally keeping us afloat. I expect he'll own the club in two years and put even more in.

As it stands today, we are a Glazer family owned asset that's sinking like a stone, and those cnuts at INEOS are the only ones doing anything to try and sort it out.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Quite frankly it's getting increasingly difficult to really care about United. It's nothing but bad news and misery, on top of dreadful football that is about as exciting as watching the antiques roadshow. All we have to look forward to is the day when the Glazers walk away, and that will only happen when the club is a smouldering ruin with nothing left to plunder
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This is where I’m at and it’s such a shame. I’ve got no interest in the media stories, I have so many United fans mates that carried away with the nonsense posted by the media, the vast majority of it is pure lies. It’s getting boring and with what we see on the pitch it’s getting very difficult to remain interested.
 
I do find the Guardian in particular to be pretty amusing. It's clear Jamie Jackson has an insider in the club who is pretty anti-INEOS/generally negative. Which of course is exactly what the Guardian wants, as negative United stories are the best stories. Then when the club says these insiders need to shut the hell up, he gets to publish a new story about how the club are so mean and nasty! It's kind of hilarious.

In the end, the negative 'spiral' the club is currently in will only actually be alleviated by one thing: winning football matches. That's on Amorim and the players. But I promise you, if we start getting results, certain outlets will dig out more negative stories from 'insiders close to' and 'behind the scenes' because they are doing their utmost to pile on because it sells.

I honestly don't believe any other club (at least in England) is as set up to fail as United. The pundits luxuriate in our suffering, the press sell more clicks when it's negative and the majority of adult-age folk resent our success so love it all. Amorim is a brave man!
 
sixdwarf said:

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I think some are so desperate for good news, they miss the top line. The Glazers remain in control and our crippling debt remains. We had a chance to shed the lot and have meaningful club investment with the Qataris. It didnt happen. I am preparing myself for more years of mediocrity. Ratcliffe = Glazers = Not messiah.​

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I’ll reply to you seeing as you went to that effort to find a I told you so post and copying it pretty poorly also.
 
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