"Nothing to do with" is a bit of a stretch eh. Isn't the owner of the 92 foundation literally a member of the royal family?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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"Nothing to do with" is a bit of a stretch eh. Isn't the owner of the 92 foundation literally a member of the royal family?
It was rejected because the fans after 18 years of Glazers out protests allowed them to do a deal that kept them in instead of pushing them in to a full sale.
Or the people who own the club got a better offer for them and the other bidder didn't provide proof of funds.
People didn’t want the Qatar bid. We don’t want to be owned by them for moralistic reasons. Have to respect the United fans for that.
I immediately railed against the SJR bid as soon as I learned he was happy to keep the Glazers on as majority owners, especially considering he paints himself as some sort of passionate "fan of the club". That plus the "British backed bid" garbage in the opening statement just reeked of sliminess and lack of genuineness.
Every single one of us should have been against any bid that would have kept the Glazers in and not allowed it to happen.
Whilst that is an ongoing issue, accepting the Qatar bid would have left us no better than how city are now perceived - cheating sellouts
There was no Qatar bid. The Raine group released all the details and the Qatar proposal never added up.
People need to get over the fact that it was either the INEOS minority investment or full Glazer, at least until they tried to sell again.
Pray tell how would it not have happened?
I wouldnt say it proves it for sure but it certainly makes that view much stronger.
Plus many expected 92F to come back with bids for Spurs/Everton/etc, which would make sense if it was the Qatari state just trying to get a foothold in the PL. But quite clearly that hasn't happened.
Again backs the claims that Sheikh Jassim was a lifelong United fan and has no interest in any other club.
TBF many polls showed big support in the fanbase for the full sale bid, even on here the majority wanted it to happen. But ultimately the fans had no power to make any difference on which bid the Glazers chose.
Strange comment seeing as There would have been absolutely no need for any owner of United to cheat to get around FFP rules
Our club is nothing like City
Not really, it’s all about the perception. We would have been labelled a state owned oil funded club regardless.
Yes probably true but I couldn't care less what others might label us as, it's just more for the pile of ABU crap to ignore
I disagree with that, City were essentially nothing pre-takeover, and even now people have an issue with them not because they are a fake club, but because of the amount of backroom dealing they clearly do to skirt the rules.
Ok then how about human rights etc, we don’t want to be associated with that
Besides taking all that up again, I see no reason to start accusing fans of doing nothing and allowing SJR to do a part-owner deal with the Glazers. What do you think the fans could do that they haven’t already tried in 18 years?
SJR is here now, and only a couple of months in so let’s see what he does.
SJR is here now, and only a couple of months in so let’s see what he does.
Everyone did prefer a full sale. That wasn’t something the Glazers were willing to do though.
I’m glad they’ve sold nearly 30% now. It’s 30% nearer to them being gone. It seems clear that they wanted to hang in there and see if more value can be extracted in another few years once Covid is in the distance and new TV deals are signed.
If Ineos do a good job they’ll get an extra 50% on their money. If they don’t then they’ll sell up anyway as they won’t be making any money from us.
If you believe that, I’ve got loads to sell you
This I agree with - I don't like Jim's politics but if he does a good job running my club then honestly I couldn't give a shit about that
Yeah I don’t like him or his politics but it is what it is, let’s hope he can walk the walk
It's all been litigated to death in previous threads anyways but I'll just say:
For me personally at some point a line needs to be drawn between direct and indirect associations. I'm not going to hate every billionaire because at some point their mega company fecked over people or used cost cutting measures involving labor laws etc and likewise I'm not going to refuse an owner because he has a connection to a government that uses inhuman labor laws. I also personally thought it was fecking stupid that Abramovic was forced to sell Chelsea just because the country he's from invaded another country. In the same way you say "nothing can be done about from the fans regarding ownership", for all I know these certain inviduals are powerless to change the very things they are accused of supporting/having connections to. It just becomes a slippery slope of taking endless moral highgrounds and stands against everything to the point where I can't enjoy anything at all.
All I wanted was an owner that would oust the Glazers (clearly parasites of the club) and have the best interests of the club at the forefront of their priorities to run it as well as possible. Sticking a "Qatar" sponsorship on the shirt wasn't going to make me hate the club or lose all interest for it if that's what the connection ended up doing.
Anyways I understand people that feel differently to me as everyone has to have their own moral line of what they will and won't tolerate. I just want what is best for the club and will return us back to the top, and the SJR stance change from "we are coming back to bring United to glory after being in the dark ages" to "okay nevermind you can still own it all just let us run the footballing side please?" was a red flag. We'll see over these next couple of years though as if INEOS do end up being good at running the footballing side it won't take long for the results to show.
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Not aimed at you. Geebs. Some fans care about morals, others care not as long as we're winning. Many hated the idea of being owned by Qatar, plenty of others didn't care. Sir Jim and his company are cnuts too...basically we can't have perfect owners. (And I'm going back to sleep....)
Sleep well sur SpoonsYeh but the fact there was celebration for Ratcliffe saving the glazers from a full sale is an embarrassment. They’ve allowed the parasites to keep the club.
Yep and we are going to see cut backs to everything.
I don’t see Ineos being willing to spend the money needed to put us back at the top of European football.
Temporarily. They will keep adding shares until they are the majority owners
Like any of us have a say in it
Ratcliffe purchasing the club was a legacy buy not a business buy. He will spend what is required, but will do it smartly and efficiently.
i don’t think they overpaid for a minority share to then run it in to the ground and make their share worth less.
There have been fan protests since 2005, in fact in 2005 they needed a police escort out of Manchester and guess what they didn't care so what makes you think the fans have a say in this we haven't for near on 20 years but do carry on and that's before you go into the murky ownership of what was ultimately a state bid no matter how you want to spin it otherwise
Absolutely not. But it wouldn’t surprise me if the long term aim is to make the club valuation even higher for a full sale to another party.
I hope you are right.
Fecking hell, you are going through this again.
Which is exactly why the moral argument is a waste of time - quite simply they are all cnuts so we just needed whichever cnut offered the best deal for the club and fans
I preferred Billionaire cnut Jassim as he was getting rid of the Glazers and bringing money for a new stadium
Still it's early days for INEOS and I'll give Billionaire cnut Jim a chance to show he can take us back in the right direction
Why are you holding stuff like that against a Qatari businessman who has absolutely no control over what happens in that country and might not even agree with or support the things you mentioned himself.
How do you people do this to yourselves? Qatar coming back up already.
‘Not a state bid’
Here we go again!
‘Not a state bid’
Here we go again!
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