You're arguing that they don't?
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You're arguing that they don't?
Has it ever actually been officially confirmed they do?
You know, the SEC filings usually don't lie as that would be illegal. Or maybe, you know, how every single thing Ineos have done so far suggests that the Glazers have not only relinquished football control, but it seems like Ineos are running the whole show now?
They do so why are people lapping up articles of IT and work from home stories?
Wouldn’t that be out of their remit?
That doesn't fit their agenda so they choose to ignore it. Debating whether they're actually in control in June 2024 is honestly something those Twitter users would do that believe Qatar are still going to take over.
Does it actually state on those SEC filings what they will be in control of or just it just state how shares they are purchasing.
I remember around the time this buy-in was announced seeing claims that Football decisions would be made by a 3 man panel which would have be made up of Sir Jim, Sir Dave, and Joel Glazer and the fact that the currently ongoing review is being led by Sir Jim and Joel Glazer is a further indication that the Glazers could still be involved in the Football side.
I would suggest it’s people who still say the glazers are a problem for things that are clearly turning out to be INEOS dithering/incompetence etc are the ones saying they don’t.
Really can’t have it both ways. Can’t say they are in control of football decisions and then blame the glazers for football matters, other than transfer limitations.
You realize if that 3 man committee story is true (I don't think it is, but I don't know), then Joel Glazer is outnumbered 2 to 1? So basically that would be proving my point.
And sorry, I'm not gonna go into a 241-page filing to look for the answers to your question. You can surely find them yourself.
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What exactly are you talking about? I've not seen any dithering or incompetence from them. If that's your opinion regarding the manager situation and potentially other things, that's okay, although I disagree with you.
I've just listed all the stuff they've they done since December in this thread today. It's a good reminder for posters who are too hang up on the current manager situation.
Do you really think they have to run anything by the Glazers based on this?
Giving Jonny Evans a new contract, Southgate to be our new manager, 
Bring back Ed, we are sorry Ed.
Bring back Ed, we are sorry Ed.Giving Jonny Evans a new contract, Southgate to be our new manager,
Do you believe everything you read on the internet? I swear I see you constantly pop into threads whining about the most obviously fake stories made up by the likes of Luckhurst and Rob Dawson, simply because they know what gets clicks and riles up the fanbase
On behalf of all RedCafe, you have hit the nail on the head. Spot onGiving Jonny Evans a new contract, Southgate to be our new manager,
Giving Jonny Evans a new contract, Southgate to be our new manager,
We're just getting started big boy.
We'll be "giving every player a chance to prove their worth" soon, followed by news that Southgate is "very happy" to have Maguire Martinez as the main centre back combo.
With Lindelof and Evans "having seen it and done it all", and Kwambala in reserve we'll be well stocked.
Plus Southgate is "pleasantly surprised" with how good Antony looks in training, and reckons we'll have some of the best wide options in the league.
Promote some youth team striker as back up to Hojlund and we'll be ready to go without any transfers.
And will make a decent go, pending injuries, of competing for 7th.
Yes. They started off well with the appointment of Berrada and few others. But let’s be honest since then a lot of it has just been talk, maybe it will progress to more maybe it won’t and we’ll still be talking about a stadium development or new stadium in 5 years time.
The recent situation with the manager has been and still is incompetence and dithering.
The “strategic review” sounds great but should be done with now and leading to action. It’s not a crime or wrong to call out mistakes as we see them and put pressure on INEOS and hopefully INEOS will learn from any mistakes they make.
feck me - football fans expect real life to happen at the speed of light and at the click of a button.
Ashworth is going to take a while, everything is going to take a while!
Have some patience. Ratcliffe even called for patience when he took over.
If the 3 man committee story is true Joel will be in it representing the familly and im sure they will have been clever enough to have ensured he has some kind of veto agreement in place to protect him from being outvoted 2 to 1 on everything.
I dont know if they have full control or not as I have never seen anything official that includes that info, ive only seen rumours and speculation like the stuff mentioned above.
This is just baseless guessing. Nothing's happened so far that indicates that the Glazers have the final say on anything, especially on footballing matters. I'd even go as far as to say everything indicates that the Glazers are already out of the picture and Ineos are running the whole club as if they had a 100% stake. People just expect them to operate around the fans' impatience.
It’s not guessing though. The situation with the manager is incompetent. It was leaked that he was getting sacked then they went silent after the FA Cup win. Now we have a manager who clearly doesn’t even know he’s own future because he has said “if they don’t want me I’ll go somewhere else and win trophies”
“Strategic review” is starting to sound like just a catchphrase. Thus far our best CB has gone. People say Varane was injury prone, but he played the most games amongst our CB last season. By itself that’s not bad but will he be replaced with someone equal or better ? Ideally a team that is football focused would have kept Varane signed his long term replacement. That way we have at least 3 CB who are capable of playing a high line. Now we only have Martinez.
You don't know what's happening behind the scenes and just making assumptions. The "leak" might not be true, despite coming from the Guardian. Or it might be true but it's not official yet.
Varane gone. Okay. First of all, not our best defender, just our best box defender. There's a big difference. He was in fact injury prone, and not suitable for a possession-based, high line team anyways. 350k/week wages as well. Impressive how everything is incorrect in your assessment of him. Varane and Martínez were one of the deepest defensive lines in the league whenever they played together, in both seasons. Great call to let him go and he will be replaced by a better player. No point in having a 350k/week player on the bench who's only gonna be useful in a handful of games if we switch to a possession-based approach.
You're clearly also both very impatient and frustrated due to not knowing what's happening and you just assume incompetence.
You say others make “assumptions” I suggest you reread your post and keep reading it until something clicks.
It’s traditionally just before a manager is sacked, ironically The dreaded backing from the board.
The title of this thread is baseless guessing though if their has never been anything official to confirm INEOS have full control of the football side
...no words
I agree; it's certainly not ideal.
I suspect it's all being hampered by the delay in getting people in post, but the season still starts when it starts. FFP makes it critical to make the right decisions on recruitment and not knowing who the coach is going to be makes that a real problem.
If that was the case it seems to me there's no reason not to announce it given the season is over.
How does any manager with a distinct style of play he wants to adopt, have a chance of succeeding with players handed to him when he hasn't had any involvement in recruitment?
Agreed around what you said in your previous post - people are just impatient but Ineos have thus far made a lot of moves, and seemingly the right moves. The others just have an itchy trigger finger re the manager, and some others would like to see squad movement - even though the euros are about to start so things will in all likelihood get delayed as well.
The one thing I’ve seen you mentioned twice now though is the SEC filing - surely as long as the Glazers own a majority share, they will ultimately still make the final calls if they so pleased? The rest are all just internal structures and agreements between shareholders around how they’ll manage the business/divvy up responsibilities etc etc. - but none of those can really circumvent a majority shareholders from “changing” their mind or the structure, if they so wished. I’m not saying this is what’s happening or will happen - that’s my understanding of company law anyway. And it’s very clear by the looks of everything which has happened so far, that Ineos is intact, in charge of all footballing matters.
On first impressions they are making a right feck up of it
I don't want to talk too soon, but I think they're maybe edging towards what I was hoping they'd do. I'm going to wait and see what happens next. I suspect that sudden availability of other managers has forced them to rethink who they want to hire.
In one of tonight's article, there was a line that convinced me that they're briefing media and it's given the first insight into what they're looking for. Something about expecting a large squad turnover and wanting a coach that can get the most out of players. And these two coaches have proven that they can do that. Let's see.
In one of tonight's article, there was a line that convinced me that they're briefing media and it's given the first insight into what they're looking for. Something about expecting a large squad turnover and wanting a coach that can get the most out of players. And these two coaches have proven that they can do that. Let's see.
Only been here a few months and already I'm begging to despise INEOS more each day.
Not any positivity from them. Its just negativity and more negativity.
Sponging funds for a new stadium, stripping down assets at the club.
Cutting staff and tearing out the heart of the club with the family values Sir Alex used to swear by.
To the absolutely shameful treatment of Ten Hag.
Not any positivity from them. Its just negativity and more negativity.
Sponging funds for a new stadium, stripping down assets at the club.
Cutting staff and tearing out the heart of the club with the family values Sir Alex used to swear by.
To the absolutely shameful treatment of Ten Hag.
Bring back Woodward
They have got this so wrong. Reflects quite poorly on them at the moment.
Don’t think they’re after any external funds for the stadium? Just the surrounding area (which is fair)
This is a mess. Whatever hope i had with new “management team” is gone now. This process is as unprofessional as it can be. Sack ETH if you are looking at new options.
This could have been avoided if they just backed him and not leaked that they are doing a review and decision is not yet made. Do the review in background and just do lip service backing for ETH.
This could have been avoided if they just backed him and not leaked that they are doing a review and decision is not yet made. Do the review in background and just do lip service backing for ETH.
I'd be worried if this was all happening with Barreda and Ashworth in their roles. They aren't, so I'm not. We're still very much in a transition period.
The fact we are still arguing with Newcastle over Dan Ashworth 4 and a half months after we started negotiations is worrying on its self.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
There's no way they're not involved, even if they're not officially in post yet. We have maybe some proof already that they're working behind the scenes, with the whole email thing between them both whilst still in post at City and Newcastle.
At the moment INEOS seem to be acting like aggressive, amateurish dickheads.
I really hope Berrada sorts shit out when he comes in because SJR and his lackey Brailsford should be nowhere near footballing decisions is this is how they conduct business.
I really hope Berrada sorts shit out when he comes in because SJR and his lackey Brailsford should be nowhere near footballing decisions is this is how they conduct business.
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