Club Ownership | INEOS responsible for the football side

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SER19 said:
Do you not think though, that if they were leaning towards this possibility, they should have a more definitve candidate? As I say, perhaps all the names mentioned arent on the table, but certainly theres big smoke around pochettino, tuchel, southgate, and lately de zerbi and mckenna, while thomas bloody franks name has never went away. It seems desperately haphazard to me as these are all quite different managers.
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James Roades - the person who does the Daily Muppet videos on Youtube - seems to have a good understanding of how INEOS think. He has been saying for a long time that INEOS want a head coach that is content with a much narrower role than recent United managers. Candidates that expect/demand more responsibility than United are prepared to offer, are ruling themselves out of contention, one way or another. I suspect that anyone who wants a big say in transfers will not end up in the final short-list of two or three. I don't follow Chelsea or Brighton closely but I get the impression that both Pochettino and De Zerbi were unhappy about their minimal say on who arrived and who departed.

Clearly there are other ways of arriving at a short-list. Lots of high profile managers would either not want to accept the head coach role on offer, or would soon become deeply unhappy that they were being judged on results without much say on the squad. If say, only McKenna and Frank are content with a head coach role then I would expect them to be the final two despite the track-records of other candidates. INEOS like Frank because Brentford have been massively outperforming their budget and are very much a data driven club.
 
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I think I saw that Ajax have hired the Nice manager, so INEOS are now looking for 2 managers. How does that change anything?

Also he is quite young I believe, what does that tell us on INEOS's thinking?
 
Berbaclass said:
INEOS are looking a bit like idiots at the moment. Make a fecking decision.
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It's not looking good but at the same time we don't know anything concrete just yet. If the decision had been made to sack him no matter what happens in the final, or the remaining games, if it was made weeks ago, but now they're reconsidering, that's definitely a farce.

However, that's not necessarily the case as we don't have anything other than that Steinberg piece and that might not be accurate.
 
This review should have started after the FA Cup semi final, with all possible outcomes (final league position and cup final win/loss) reviewed and a conclusion drawn whether they stick with or sack ten Hag per each outcome.

Undertaking the review now with a key consideration being fan reaction is disappointing.
 
pascell said:
This review should have started after the FA Cup semi final, with all possible outcomes (final league position and cup final win/loss) reviewed and a conclusion drawn whether they stick with or sack ten Hag per each outcome.

Undertaking the review now with a key consideration being fan reaction is disappointing.
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Maybe they just want the take of different options?
 
DJ_21 said:
The complete opposite actually. Pep would be telling him to keep him. Actually he already as in a different way. He said ETH isn’t the biggest problem at our club. You never know with pep though if he’s playing mind games or not. One good thing he said was Martinez is one of the best CB in the world.
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I was just being sarcastic mate. I meant that Pep was bitter that we beat them to a trophy, and know that he is a sore loser, I'd imagine him saying something like this
 
ArmaDino said:
I was just being sarcastic mate. I meant that Pep was bitter that we beat them to a trophy, and know that he is a sore loser, I'd imagine him saying something like this
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Fair enough mate. He is a proper sore loser and someone who thinks they should win every single trophy and every single game. ETH got one over him on tactics in this one. I’m glad we stopped them doing a double. Went from them winning another treble to only winning a single.
 
pascell said:
This review should have started after the FA Cup semi final, with all possible outcomes (final league position and cup final win/loss) reviewed and a conclusion drawn whether they stick with or sack ten Hag per each outcome.

Undertaking the review now with a key consideration being fan reaction is disappointing.
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You wrote that two days after the final - your point is that the review should have started Saturday evening rather than Monday morning? :)

I was surprised though to read that they fear a fan backlash if they sack ten Hag. Not much evidence of that around here, at least.
 
It excites me how much Sir Jim resembles John Mcafee. Let's hope we murder the neighbours next season.
 
pascell said:
This review should have started after the FA Cup semi final, with all possible outcomes (final league position and cup final win/loss) reviewed and a conclusion drawn whether they stick with or sack ten Hag per each outcome.

Undertaking the review now with a key consideration being fan reaction is disappointing.
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This, what should inform their decision is the kind of football they want to see not a season saving Cup win. Actual performances matter because they help you predict how well you will do in the future. You look at Arsenal and you can conclude that if they got a top striker in they can win the league, our ceiling is far limited and that's due to stylistic and recruitment mistakes.

A decision ought to have been made and I will be disappointed if they are seriously reviewing not just buying time for the dust to settle and allow for proper celebrations by the team. So after taking a week to decide, how long are they going to need to decide on his replacement and on each of the five signings we need? Now is the time for execution not deliberations.
 
justsomebloke said:
You wrote that two days after the final - your point is that the review should have started Saturday evening rather than Monday morning? :)

I was surprised though to read that they fear a fan backlash if they sack ten Hag. Not much evidence of that around here, at least.
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He wrote semi final mate, not final.
 
Berbaclass said:
INEOS are looking a bit like idiots at the moment. Make a fecking decision.
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Take a step back, how?
Their interest is purely how the club performs - this is their first full season and it’s been a mixed bag. Surely we want them to speak to as many people as possible to have as much info as possible.

The emotional side to decision making is what saw us make Ole permanent, probably what drove a lot of contract renewals and managerial choices. I like the fact they don’t seem to give a hoot about media pressure or ETH wanting things resolved quickly. It won’t really affect the squad or their plans as long as the head coach decision is made by the start of pre season.
 
pascell said:
This review should have started after the FA Cup semi final, with all possible outcomes (final league position and cup final win/loss) reviewed and a conclusion drawn whether they stick with or sack ten Hag per each outcome.

Undertaking the review now with a key consideration being fan reaction is disappointing.
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I think the review could have been done, a bit later maybe after the Arsenal, Newcastle or Brighton on games. Perhaps they've already completed the review but if that's the case it likely only points to them giving a him a few days before sacking him.

Letting this drag on to keep him doesn't paint much confidence in the man and I doubt ETH is too happy either.

I suspect this is either the club delaying the sacking announcement to not cloud the FA Cup victory, or they're doing a u-turn based on the final. I can accept that ETH might stay but would rather they are decisive about it and if he does stay, he probably should get a contract extension so he isn't effectively on trial next season.

My suspicion is he will still get sacked.
 
I think INEOS are doing absolutely the right thing here. Sacking ETH before the final would have been idiotic, they didn't. Not sounding out all potential candidates would be negligent, they're sounding them out.

Rushing to a decision just because the season ended X days ago is simply not needed as long as the available options remain so.

It sounds like the team have been in place for at least a month or so, so will have been on the ground watching training, preparations, team-building and so forth. They'll have a good idea of the gaps and good things.

This can all get put together, properly considered by all the available leadership and then a decision can be made.

There's no need to rush right now, unless the first/second choice options are at threat, at which point you move faster by staying in close contact with them.

Fans are just irrationally impatient.
 
Beachryan said:
I think INEOS are doing absolutely the right thing here. Sacking ETH before the final would have been idiotic, they didn't. Not sounding out all potential candidates would be negligent, they're sounding them out.

Rushing to a decision just because the season ended X days ago is simply not needed as long as the available options remain so.

It sounds like the team have been in place for at least a month or so, so will have been on the ground watching training, preparations, team-building and so forth. They'll have a good idea of the gaps and good things.

This can all get put together, properly considered by all the available leadership and then a decision can be made.

There's no need to rush right now, unless the first/second choice options are at threat, at which point you move faster by staying in close contact with them.

Fans are just irrationally impatient.
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Exactly. Our fans are emotional and rash, but INEOS seems to be professional and respectful in their approach. Good to see, we‘re not used to that.
And yes, of course they have been working on things behind the scenes, but no reason to decide this or next week
 


What the feck have they been doing all year, leaving it till the very last minute.
 
What does it mean 'convince them'? Either the rules allow it or they don't. What kind of convincing does UEFA need? Something under the table?
 
Honestly, this end of season review thing is taking too long. Surely, it should have been settled by now? I think the decision is a simple one to make.
 
Berbaclass said:
But nothing has been said about Girona and City :wenger::rolleyes:
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They're mentioned as being in a similar situation at the end of the article. City don't create such a headline though!

Villa and Brighton also had the issue for this season, it's obviously something that can easily be solved.
 
Giggsyking said:


What the feck have they been doing all year, leaving it till the very last minute.
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The amusing thing here is how Nice fecked up CL qualification after being in good shape for most of the season. Crap season for all ineos teams apart from the fa cup. Lausanne were close to relegation too.
 
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