Climate Change | UN Report: Code Red for humanity

Carolina Red said:
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don't think it's the right way to go about it but not fussed either. the galleries of the world are like sepulchres. it's hard to be too critical when they're actually out there doing something about it. i think van gogh would approve.
 
Very good thread: climate made the crabs vulnerable, but didn't kill them

 
Buster15 said:
The real scandal is that this Drax Power Station in England which burns these wood pellets which have been produced from trees cut down from what are termed Primary Forests in Canada actually count towards the UK Green Energy. And these will count amongst the Net Zero legislation.

And I find that appalling.
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Feckin trains go by my house every couple of hours on their way to Drax. Massive massive trains full of wood pellets. I’m all for green energy but we’re definitely being conned with that.
 
Wibble said:
What happens when you let right wingers control the purse strings for so long.
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There is so much wrong with the way humanity is treating out planet that is wrong that, despite my natural optimism, I struggle to see how we are going to carry out the changes we need to make.

We have to not only stop adding ever more CO2 into the atmosphere, we have to take out CO2 from it as well.
And planting trees by the trillion, not that we have been, alone will not take out enough carbon.
We have to develop and produce sufficient equipment that will reverse the increase in CO2. All in a very short period of time.

2050 is far too late. By then, we will have past the tipping point. And may well already have done.
 
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30 years later and it's like looking into a mirror. We are STILL having the same debate.
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Thank you for posting this.
Dr Carl Sagan was mainly responsible for my interest in the Cosmos.
He had one of the most brilliant minds ever and as you will see is a truly inspirational speaker.
Had he gone into politics the world would have been a much better place.
He was one of the very few people who could inspire generations.
David Attenborough is another of the very few. And I would say that Greta Thunberg is another.

And all of those predictions are playing out before our very eyes.
Is humanity doing enough to offset the worst effects of man made climate change...... don't think so.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-63403323

A sobering warning from the UN Secretary General that nations need to refocus their attention and resources on combating climate change.
Because he is right.
We all know that it represents an existential threat to humanity.
But we keep pretending that we have loads of time to do what we know is necessary and push the subject into the background.
 
nimic said:
+2.8C incoming.
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I have 5 grandchildren aged 9 and under who probably will be around toward the end of the century. I obviously won't. But I hate to think what the world will be like then.
+2.8 will be disastrous, especially for sea levels.
 
The one thing that should unite the Globe is a Global disaster that will affect “everyone” and will become unsolvable making our future unsustainable on this Planet if we don’t act immediately putting 100% focus on this problem, together.

Instead

We are not United, and instead in scattered numbers nation wise putting 0.5% focus on this factual disaster and even less on action.

It’s appalling we the people are allowing such little action to be done, yes there’s been protests etc calling for action

But sadly not enough, too many people are aware this is real, but haven’t got the memo stating how severe it is NOW, and think meh we’ll sort something………we won’t

Not at this rate

The technology is there to transform our ways, this is fact, and it’s possible much quicker if we work together

No one wants too though

Crazy
 
TheLiverBird said:
The one thing that should unite the Globe is a Global disaster that will affect “everyone” and will become unsolvable making our future unsustainable on this Planet if we don’t act immediately putting 100% focus on this problem, together.

Instead

We are not United, and instead in scattered numbers nation wise putting 0.5% focus on this factual disaster and even less on action.

It’s appalling we the people are allowing such little action to be done, yes there’s been protests etc calling for action

But sadly not enough, too many people are aware this is real, but haven’t got the memo stating how severe it is NOW, and think meh we’ll sort something………we won’t

Not at this rate

The technology is there to transform our ways, this is fact, and it’s possible much quicker if we work together

No one wants too though

Crazy
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That's human nature, I'm afraid. Doomed to destruction because of our inability to come together on a common endeavour. We are too caught up in petty squabbles to see the bigger picture.
 
Putting the economy before everything else is the reason why we cannot deal with anything in this scale. We are literally doomed because money and greed and selfishness trumps everything.
 
TheLiverBird said:
The one thing that should unite the Globe is a Global disaster that will affect “everyone” and will become unsolvable making our future unsustainable on this Planet if we don’t act immediately putting 100% focus on this problem, together.

Instead

We are not United, and instead in scattered numbers nation wise putting 0.5% focus on this factual disaster and even less on action.

It’s appalling we the people are allowing such little action to be done, yes there’s been protests etc calling for action

But sadly not enough, too many people are aware this is real, but haven’t got the memo stating how severe it is NOW, and think meh we’ll sort something………we won’t

Not at this rate

The technology is there to transform our ways, this is fact, and it’s possible much quicker if we work together

No one wants too though

Crazy
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It is crazy.
There are a number of instincts that are hard wired into human behaviour.
One is to reproduce in order to ensure our species survival.

And yet it is not hardwired into our behaviour to ensure that our home is always going to be there to ensure that our species CAN survive.

So, the urge to reproduce will ultimately become pointless unless we begin to do something un-natural. And that is to change our shortsighted human behaviour and use our so called intelligence.
 
Every single country on the planet is in the pocket of the oil companies. Nothing is going to change...except the climate.
 
The soup guys threw, well, soup on the girl with the pearl earring now as well. On the protectice glass to be precize. While I support their cause it does seem coubter productive that these activists always come across as unhinged. Just reinforces the skeptics in their believe that climate activists are nutters.
 
KirkDuyt said:
The soup guys threw, well, soup on the girl with the pearl earring now as well. On the protectice glass to be precize. While I support their cause it does seem coubter productive that these activists always come across as unhinged. Just reinforces the skeptics in their believe that climate activists are nutters.
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They don't give a shit anymore. They've been trying tons of ways to get more attention for this issue and nothing actually works. I mean, where are we now, after all these years and after finally having widely accepted the scientific consensus? Looking at a 2.8 degrees temperature rise.

So why try the same shit and be polite. What did that ever do. Why not go nuts. Bonus points if anyone gets more outraged over art than the climate. Anything that gets people talking really!

Edit: article in Dutch that considers the pros and cons of this kind of protest (much better than me :D ): https://www.volkskrant.nl/a-b2bac66d
 
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nimic said:
+2.8C incoming.
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over 1.5 exacerbates the tipping points arriving faster.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn7950

Our assessment provides strong scientific evidence for urgent action to mitigate climate change. We show that even the Paris Agreement goal of limiting warming to well below 2°C and preferably 1.5°C is not safe as 1.5°C and above risks crossing multiple tipping points. Crossing these CTPs can generate positive feedbacks that increase the likelihood of crossing other CTPs. Currently the world is heading toward ~2 to 3°C of global warming; at best, if all net-zero pledges and nationally determined contributions are implemented it could reach just below 2°C. This would lower tipping point risks somewhat but would still be dangerous as it could trigger multiple climate tipping points.
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This was an article (and prediction) from 2013 that changed how I see things: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/10/science-says-revolt
It's a great article, about how it's not a question of technology or regulation- a laissez-faire system cannot solve it.

Anyway, given that the UN has basically said similar things today, thought it was worth reposting. It's now behind a paywall :)

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Good thread. I will kill myself when it happens - don't want to deal with the resultant asthma.

 
What fun. Boris and Mrs Boris are going to COP27 in Egypt while Sunak has said that he is too busy to attend.
That is going to make Sunak look pretty silly that the PM is not going while the former former PM is.
 
Buster15 said:
What fun. Boris and Mrs Boris are going to COP27 in Egypt while Sunak has said that he is too busy to attend.
That is going to make Sunak look pretty silly that the PM is not going while the former former PM is.
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Yeah I'm very torn on that one. Boris is an attention seeking oxygen thief and the less attention he gets the better, but...he's thoroughly outmanoeuvred Sunak here! Sunak is the supposedly bright and reasonable Tory, and yet he's still either a pigshit thick climate denier, or just so beholden to the old loons in his party that he's willing to set fire to the world's future in exchange for power and possibly money.
 
Something a bit different. A look at electricity production, in some countries, in real-time (or as close as they can get). You can zoom in on areas and click on individual countries to get more details of how energy is being produced, and what they've got installed.



You can also select the options to show current actual wind conditions etc.
 
I’m surprised how many are low carbon, Sweden is 100 percent.

A lot of european countries have invested very well in nuclear.

I read something on the news yesterday that in 20 years (if the world survives) all energy can come from the sun from satellites which beam energy back as radio waves, very hi tech.
 
Are African countries right to demand compensation to stick with climate targets?
 
https://www.economist.com/interacti...going-to-miss-the-totemic-1-5c-climate-target

every decade we are going to hear about never reaching targets. And the longer we go without global/systemic change, the louder and more serious the "geoengineering" cult of death will be taken. And that's when you start getting into discussions around which populations will be sacrificed in the name of never changing fecking anything.

Dark side of the Sun

But there is also a more radical non-carbon-dioxide based option. Solar geoengineering (also known as solar radiation management or modification) would try to cool the world off by cutting down the amount of sunlight that reaches the Earth’s surface; less sunlight, less warming. The most discussed method for achieving this involves putting particles into the stratosphere to bounce a little of the incoming sunlight straight back out into space. Such cooling is seen in action after very large volcanic eruptions; the huge amounts of sulphur they squirt into the stratosphere create tiny reflective particles of sulphate “aerosols”. Geoengineering would be much less spasmodic. A steady stream of sulphur would be sprayed into the stratosphere for decades, or even centuries.

According to the latest projections by UNEP, which are roughly in line with those made by others, if countries were to live up to all their most recent emissions-reduction pledges and, beyond that, those with notional net-zero targets actually hit them, warming should peak at about 1.8°C above the pre-industrial. Katharine Ricke, a researcher at the University of California San Diego who has done a lot of work on solar geoengineering, estimates that, if such a scheme were to be based on sulphate particles, the 0.3°C of cooling needed to bring a 1.8°C world down to a 1.5°C world would require something like 3m tonnes of sulphur a year delivered to the stratosphere. It would also need a new class of very high-flying planes to get the sulphur up there, a system for monitoring what exactly it was doing to the stratosphere to be set up, a world-girdling set of air bases and some chunky new supply chains.
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feck THESE DEATH CULTS :mad:
 
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maximus419 said:
Putting the economy before everything else is the reason why we cannot deal with anything in this scale. We are literally doomed because money and greed and selfishness trumps everything.
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The crazy thing is it is this mentality within society that is causing more and more strain on the economy as we deal with more natural disasters, extreme weather conditions, more immigration because climate change has made their home country almost un-livable, more deadly illnesses created from air pollution that put more strain on nhs, more air Bourne diseases born out of from intense animal agricultural industry that mean farmers are having to slaughter free grazing live stock , the list goes on and on.
 
I read that there are 2 companies with applications to mine for Lithium in Cornwall.
British Lithium and Cornish Lithium.
The former has already drilled and believes that it can provide significant amounts of Lithium Carbonate for Battery production.
This is aimed at allowing battery production without the need to import the raw material reducing energy and significant CO2 outputs in the production of batteries for EVs in the UK.
 
FireballXL5 said:
To the surprise of absolutely no-one...

Revealed: US and UK fall billions short of ‘fair share’ of climate funding

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...-uk-fall-billions-short-climate-funding-cop27
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Not sure the headline is giving the UK a fair share of the blame either.

"The US share of this, based on its past emissions, would be $40bn yet it provided only $7.6bn in 2020, the latest year for which data is available. Australia and Canada gave only about a third of the funding indicated by the analysis, while the UK supplied three-quarters but still fell $1.4bn short."
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Not sure the headline is giving the UK a fair share of the blame either.

"The US share of this, based on its past emissions, would be $40bn yet it provided only $7.6bn in 2020, the latest year for which data is available. Australia and Canada gave only about a third of the funding indicated by the analysis, while the UK supplied three-quarters but still fell $1.4bn short."
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I don't think the approach to this problem will work whilst the 'blame game' is implicit in the rhetoric.

The developed countries should be investing in the future and that means actively supporting countries who require development. This obsession with the 'sins of the past' is in danger of ruining the future, for everybody. Developed countries are seen to be reneging on their past commitments and because in some cases millions of pounds worth of aid, given in the past, has been squandered or spirited away to the private accounts of dubious leaders in many countries.

The time is now due for proper provisions to be and laid out, and the basic elements made public in every country benefiting and every country contributing to climate change reversal and forfeits should be applied to those who transgress either in the provision of agreed contributions or the misuse of such contributions.

In the end its the United Nations that needs to be seen to be "getting a grip" and it is essential and no one country should be allowed to opt out and no one country allowed to disrupt the provisions, but at the moment looking it at the state of our world at present and the inability, in many cases, of the UN to act in unison, it's a grim outlook facing us all.
 
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