excellent. they received their first failing grade from the environmental lobby for decades the other day. this is a good step in the right direction. it should be mirrored globally. that's how you incentivize industry to start looking at different options for personal travel that don't involve carbon. i'd also consider the phase out of most vehicles in exchange for government subsidies toward hyrbid or electric alternatives.
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excellent. they received their first failing grade from the environmental lobby for decades the other day. this is a good step in the right direction. it should be mirrored globally. that's how you incentivize industry to start looking at different options for personal travel that don't involve carbon. i'd also consider the phase out of most vehicles in exchange for government subsidies toward hyrbid or electric alternatives.
And yet here we are paying record amounts for the fossil fuel industry to impoverish us, whilst climate change because of fossil use is killing tens of thousands each year and getting worse.
The human race is mad.
The human race is mad.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/08/05/volcano-eruption-tonga-record-climate/#:~:text=The%20Hunga%20Tonga%2DHunga%20Ha'apai%20eruption%20lasted%20less%20than,and%20also%20deplete%20stratospheric%20ozone.
We can’t forget the reason for our climate to be even hotter is because this volcano besides the fact every year is getting hotter.
We can’t forget the reason for our climate to be even hotter is because this volcano besides the fact every year is getting hotter.
From your own text:
Millán speculates that the water vapor could start having a warming effect on the planet’s surface temperature once the accompanying cooling particles dissipate in about three years.
It will only affect planet in three years is what scientists are guessing.
Millán speculates that the water vapor could start having a warming effect on the planet’s surface temperature once the accompanying cooling particles dissipate in about three years.
It will only affect planet in three years is what scientists are guessing.
climate change skeptics love going on about volcanos for some reason
I guess they don't have a whole lot to latch onto these days
I guess they don't have a whole lot to latch onto these days
And you sound like a sheep when someone tells you to jump you only ask how high. If you read that article you will know for the next 5-10 years the temperatures would be higher. But anyway very high temperatures has a cycle of 100 thousand years with a few anomalies between and looking at the graph you see we are reaching the tip.
funny this is this bs graph ends at 2000, where it looks nice and flatlining, and temperature has only gone up since then.
And you sound like a sheep when someone tells you to jump you only ask how high. If you read that article you will know for the next 5-10 years the temperatures would be higher. But anyway very high temperatures has a cycle of 100 thousand years with a few anomalies between and looking at the graph you see we are reaching the tip.
oh great so we only need to wait 20,000 years or so and it should cool off
And you sound like a sheep when someone tells you to jump you only ask how high. If you read that article you will know for the next 5-10 years the temperatures would be higher. But anyway very high temperatures has a cycle of 100 thousand years with a few anomalies between and looking at the graph you see we are reaching the tip.
Imagine being a climate change sceptic in 2022. That's incredibly embarrassing for you.
Here's another graph for you:
Well if this year doesn't convince the deniers nothing will. We're fecked.
People wouldn't accept how to stop it. So we're fecked either way. Let's hope we can use technology to solve it.
Very true.
Horrific flooding in Pakistan due to record rainfall.
Oh god not the volcano rubbish 
It hasn’t - I posted stuff about it on Twitter and got shit tons of abuse. Mostly people sending me a list of top 10 hottest days (9 of which are in the last 30yrs) and asking me to explain the outlier from 1911, trying to suggest it’s all part of natural cycles.
We’re all doomed!
What I’ve heard; the state is banning the sale of new gas only vehicles, so hybrids can still be sold after 2035. edit; 1/5 of all new cars after 2035 can be hybrid.
Still it’s an important step in the right direction.
Feck knows if the electric grid will be big enough by then and how will the state recoup the lost taxes on gas?
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Just so I got this clear, are you suggesting that the theory of anthropogenic global warming is wrong, and that everything visible in the record is due to natural causes unrelated to human behaviour?And you sound like a sheep when someone tells you to jump you only ask how high. If you read that article you will know for the next 5-10 years the temperatures would be higher. But anyway very high temperatures has a cycle of 100 thousand years with a few anomalies between and looking at the graph you see we are reaching the tip.
Oh god not the volcano rubbish
its as if volcanoes were invented ~150 years ago and haven't been around the entire time
Oh god not the volcano rubbish
Can we also take a minute to point out that these people cannot stomach the very embarrassing argument that the scientists simply forgot volcanoes exist.....like that is too embarrassing for even deniers to seriously argue.
So their "better" argument is to claim some kind of grand international conspiracy in which climate scientists racks up 50-70k in student debts to make ~70k a year in dead end public sector jobs or academia and if lucky, maybe get published once in their lives in a journal.
THAT is their entire argument
they have to believe in probably the most boring and useless grand conspiracy because their alternate argument is that scientists "forgot" volcanoes are real.
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Can we also take a minute to point out that these people cannot stomach the very embarrassing argument that the scientists simply forgot volcanoes exist.....like that is too embarrassing for even deniers to seriously argue.
So their "better" argument is to claim some kind of grand international conspiracy in which climate scientists racks up 50-70k in student debts to make like 70k a year in dead end public sector jobs or academia and if lucky, maybe get published once in their lives in a journal.
THAT is their entire argument
Not just that, they also think they’re cleverly pointing out shit that scientists haven’t factored in when they mention the sun cycles (Milankovitch cycles), or the earth having had hotter periods with higher CO2 concentration, etc.
How do you know they were all real people and not just bots?
Reading more about the Pakistan flooding, how 1/3 of the country is under water. For context, the area of Pakistan is 790,000km2, so the area flooded is ~265,000km2.
The area of England is 130,000km2!
So an area TWICE the size of England is underwater due to unprecedented flooding. I wonder what the deniers will say about this.
The area of England is 130,000km2!
So an area TWICE the size of England is underwater due to unprecedented flooding. I wonder what the deniers will say about this.
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It really is hard to get your head around the fact that a 1/3 of the country is currently flooded. That is a seriously massive area.
Giant hail in Catalonia.
The puppy at the end
Another one from Spain...
Just sent that tweet to a friend who lives in Catalonia. Apparently a baby was killed.
So Liz Truss wants to drill for more oil and gas in the North Sea.
But nothing said thus far about Climate Change.
She and JRM need to remember that Net Zero for the UK is a Legally Binding piece of legislation.
But nothing said thus far about Climate Change.
She and JRM need to remember that Net Zero for the UK is a Legally Binding piece of legislation.
Also the moron that is Jacob Rees Mogg, yeh….the climate change non believer, is in charge of cutting the UK’s carbon emissions
it just gets better (worse)
And you sound like a sheep when someone tells you to jump you only ask how high. If you read that article you will know for the next 5-10 years the temperatures would be higher. But anyway very high temperatures has a cycle of 100 thousand years with a few anomalies between and looking at the graph you see we are reaching the tip.
The fact that temperatures go up and down does not mean that it is a random variation that just happens for no reason. There are always reasons. It is Physics. However, we do not have any detailed data from 100,000 years ago, so it is hard to find the exact reasons for the past.
But today we have increasingly detailed measurements (for the past 50-100-300 years) and we can find the reasons for what is happening. The current upward tendency is caused by humans, there is no question about it.
Of course, Earth will survive if temperature goes up 5 degrees, and it will survive if temperature goes down -10 degrees.
Humans will also survive. Humans live in Sahara, Eskimos live in the North Pole, humans can adapt. And you know what? The richer you are, the easier you will adapt. The rich will always have AC, heating, good insulation at homes, solar panels at their homes, and will always have money for food. Now the poor and the middle class... well... perhaps life will become harder. But do the rich care about the lower classes?
the middle class are the ones who can afford solar panels, insulation, and electric cars. the petite bourgeoisie. the professional class of managers and small business owners. it's the workers, or working class proper, that are fecked and have always been historically fecked. if you don't have that stuff or can't afford it, then you aren't middle class.
other than that i agree with you that the anthropocene is an obvious state of affairs. the greenhouse gas effect is so basic as to preclude any serious argument. go to a city during a hot day. it will be much hotter there than in a countryside area along the same latitude. or, on a cold day the city will be less cold because of all the excess heat given off by industry and general build up of people and machines.
you really don't need a degree in science to understand this stuff. from there it becomes easy enough to understand how this has a cumulative effect which works exponentially over time.
Spot on. She has clearly put him in place to operate against any and all the the 2030 Net Zero legislation.
But they are going to have to change the law and that is going to go down very badly with the UK public.
Under 30s maybe. Probably plays well with a lot of over 50s
I think it is a bit simplistic to just say that humans will survive a +5c temperature increases.
Yes some would. But certainly not the current populations.
And what kind of survival would it be for those so called rich people.
Nevertheless I do understand the point that you are making.
Climate change is caused by humans and our ever increasing thirst for fossil fuels.
But it doesn't have to be the kind of world that +5c would mean.
We already know exactly what we need to do. And when we need to have done it by.
It is all about the political will.
Yeah, I also don't think rich would be set in any better position than the poor. Maybe the extremely rich ones, but that's it.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62833937
Shouldn't really come as a surprise but it's still grim reading.
Shouldn't really come as a surprise but it's still grim reading.
Very grim reading indeed.
What has to be a significant concern is the rate of change.
These temperature rises are un presidented and blow a massive hole in the +1.5c figure.
But of course, Our new PM is going to do all she and JRM can to extract more oil and gas from the North Sea and in addition, restart Fracking.
Utter madness.
I'm not sceptic about climate change but the only difference I don't buy we humans are the main cause. Anytime the governments wants to raise taxes for something they can't change but for decades scared people through the media, schools, etc. When we have a heatwave or even a very cold winter they say immediately that's caused by humans, billionaires getting richer with our tax money and the common man getting poorer. Any weather scientist that's against this idea loses any funding and their jobs but since you like most of the people who religious believes what the media and governments say just read this quote from Thomas Jefferson which he wrote in 1787:
“A change in our climate…is taking place very sensibly. Both heats and colds are become much more moderate within the memory of the middle-aged. Snows are less frequent and less deep….The elderly inform me the earth used to be covered with snow about three months in every year. The rivers, which then seldom failed to freeze over in the course of the winter, scarcely ever do so now.”