Great player. Arsehole.
Clearing up some myths about Roy Keane
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What a rubbish response from a Ferguson loyalist. Open your eyes.
I could do one better and say in history.
I also find it laughable that you don't realise that Scholes was one of many ex players used by Ferguson in the media to try to promote the idea of Giggs becoming the new manager. Ferguson craves power and no doubt is livid about the appointment of Mourinho and signing of Pogba. His control is limited now after the Moyes fiasco. Keane didn't criticise the club or fall in in line with this Class of 92 brainwashing. Everything he said about them was correct.
Yeah, he bought a potential rival football club instead. With ambitions of making The Premier League one day.
This is one of those things that you do, but no one really asked.
Yeah if you can't be loyal to probably the 2nd most important figure in United's history, who else could you be loyal to, keane fanboy?
Your post calling Fergie the "biggest cnut" was exaggeration to the point of retardation. You could probably compile the "cnuty" stuff Fergie has done, compared to the good things players and managers have come out with and said he's done for them, but yeah "biggest cnut alive". Moronic
For the bolded part: Did you escape from the loony bin on Red Issue?
Yeah if you can't be loyal to probably the 2nd most important figure in United's history, who else could you be loyal to, keane fanboy?
Your post calling Fergie the "biggest cnut" was exaggeration to the point of retardation. You could probably compile the "cnuty" stuff Fergie has done, compared to the good things players and managers have come out with and said he's done for them, but yeah "biggest cnut alive". Moronic
For the bolded part: Did you escape from the loony bin on Red Issue?
Fergie loyalist
Oh dear god. That's cringe.
Unlike you, I can see Ferguson's fault. You seem to have your head firmly in Roy Keane's ass though. Enjoy it.
The role of a pundit is to remain impartial.
You and I don't know half of the bad stuff he's done. Ferguson was salty that Keane called him out on his incorrect behaviour with regards to his horse racing dispute. The best part is that he's hardly ever wrong in the public eye, but didn't have a leg to stand on with this one.
#killuminati
Fergie loyalist
Oh dear god. That's cringe.
Unlike you, I can see Ferguson's fault. You seem to have your head firmly in Roy Keane's ass though. Enjoy it.
You clearly don't see any fault. It's physically impossible to fit your head up someone's arse. I've tried.
Potential rival football club?
They won't be if they become a Premier League club? It won't be a local derby?
Alex butter wouldn't melt Ferguson.
And you probably don't know half the good stuff he's done either. Probably half the forum had no idea about the John Terry thing until few days ago. Fergie is not perfect, he's a bit of a cnut, sure. But biggest cnut alive, or anything even close? Yeah, no
Hardly. Ferguson's bit of a cnut(literally all top managers are), but you're refusal to criticise St. Roy of Keane indicates some new levels of bias. Oh and btw since you already called me a loyalist, I'd rather be a Ferguson loyalist rather than a Roy Keane loyalist(which it seems you are).
What is there to criticise?
I think any other manager in the world would have been sacked over the Rock of Gibralter fiasco, Keane was totally right about that for me.
You might have edited it. I don't remember the latter part when I read it. Either way, I was going to make the same point as well. I don't think we will see another leader like Roy keane. We were lucky to have him.
Ambitions incredibly unlikely to ever be fulfilled. But whatever makes you feel better about Roy Keane.
Only time he has genuinely rattled my bumfluff post-Utd was the unecessarily vehement defence of that stinking ref who sent Nani off against Madrid. For one night only I wanted those dogs Keane professes to love so much to do a whoopsy in his garden.
I don't remember any fecking headlines just the incident. And make no mistake, as I stated in my post, I liked it. But his anger got the better of him as it did on several other occasions.
I regard Roy Keane as one of the finest players to pull on a shirt and have never said otherwise. Yes he was outstanding in that game as in many others.
I find some fan's reluctance to acknowledge Keane's problems odd. He admitted himself that he has a self destruct button and that he struggled sometimes to not go off on one. It's been there for all to see and it remains that way.
2 promotions in a row. Currently 2nd in the league this season. League One football within the next 7/8 years is possible.
Once you make it to League One, anything is possible. See Norwich, Leicester, Swansea, Hull and Southampton.
The Keane V Robbo comparisons are tiresome, Robbo had more freedom and played in a team with not the same quality around him and was allowed to get forward more often. Keane was a great finisher and had a good shot but just wasn't able to get forward as much from 95 onwards.
Well then obviously the incredibly slim possibility of Salford being in the same league as United in the next 15 years means the Neville's and two people who actually worked for United at the time don't care either.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I don't think that's going to cut it. I apologise for pointing out Roy Keane not caring about United when Alex Ferguson was still at the club.
Outstanding player of the time, attitude and self rightousness stinks.
It’s interesting what you can take in without remembering, because with respect, your recollection is not based on “just the incident”. You said in your previous post “It's interesting how Keane "losing it" (his own words) in the tunnel with Viera is celebrated”.
Yet Keane did not say that during the incident but years later in his autobiography.
So you have picked up that information from somewhere other than “just the incident”; either Keane’s autobiography, the media or second-hand, and willingly or not focussed on those two words “losing it” out of context of other comments and even in contrast with the actual actions seen in footage of the incident.
I guess it shows the power of the media to influence opinion when you can be quoting it without even knowing – and it is due to such widespread sensationalist reporting that Keane's reputation has suffered. I think, if anything, it is something United supporters should be defending Keane against rather than falling for.
Anyhow, thanks to everyone who has posted. There have been some really good comments. I will be back with a few more myths to discuss this evening I think.
Myths to discuss or the gentle airbrushing of the past?
Please read the opening posts and feel free to be specific about where you think I have done that.
The way I see it, it's about setting the record straight
There is no myth to dispel. There has been no thread that I can remember that was dedicated to ripping into Roy Keane. This is a obsession with one player that was or is a Man Utd legend. There is no lie to challenge because no one put anything out there in the first place. This thread will disappear and then in a few months it will resurface as if it was brand new. Roy will never ever be the Man Utd manager no matter how much some people really really really really....... want it imo. Wow!
Care to expand on this?
I think the no-nonsense/nutter/hard-ass/confrontational trait he had was perfect for the pitch and the training ground to motivate his peers. However, I don't think it translates well into management. In this day and age, you're not going to get far being the hard-nosed, in-your-face type of manager. The best managers like SAF, Mourinho, Ancelotti are successful because they're well balanced and have a feel for what the team and each player needs. If he's ever to have half the career any of the top managers have had, he'll need to learn to be more diplomatic and less stubborn.
At times when some quotes have come out there have been threads about them or comments in existing threads, but overall yeah this thread seems a bit odd coming as it did out of blue. More a case of one posters obsession more than setting any record straight.
As a player , Roy is absolutely one of the best we ever had. As a manager regardless of all those quotes that don't actually prove much of anything about his managerial career, so far not impressed. Had he not been a United Legend as a player, nobody would be trying this hard to pass him off as qualified candidate to manager United based on his actual record.
Keane himself said he lost it. You quoted him yourself. What do you think he meant? I think he means he lost his rag as, quite obviously, he did.
His inability to not lose his head on occasion was a failing as a professional.
True!
It's amazing how many players fell out with SAF over the years. However, SAF was too powerful and even the press couldn't touch him. Even our owners couldn't go against him, that's why they let him pick his friend Moyes... but this proved to be his undoing.
And yet, we were so lucky to have him manager. He was really good at his job.
He's a great example of why letting Giggs manage somewhere else first was a good idea: it gives us the opportunity to see their flaws before we make the mistake of appointing them ourselves. Would be reluctant to see him manage Ireland, let alone a Manchester United who can attract a much higher calibre of manager.
He seems to be increasingly underrated as a footballer though, or rather miscategorised. Some people make him sound like a better version of Joey Barton when in reality he was a better version of Bastian Schweinsteiger. Quite a difference.
Total side note but I think Xavi will be miscategorised in a similar way in the future. He'll be seen as someone who ran games but didn't produce much himself instead of the game-controlling/assist making freak he actually was at his best.
He seems to be increasingly underrated as a footballer though, or rather miscategorised. Some people make him sound like a better version of Joey Barton when in reality he was a better version of Bastian Schweinsteiger. Quite a difference.
Total side note but I think Xavi will be miscategorised in a similar way in the future. He'll be seen as someone who ran games but didn't produce much himself instead of the game-controlling/assist making freak he actually was at his best.
Great read,keano !
Xavi will always be held on a pedestal, and rightly so.
Yep but will they remember how productive he was? Saw someone say he didn't produce that many decisive moments recently, even though he had 16 goals and 34 assists in 08/09. Think people overlook that sometimes and only focus on how he ran games.
Probably a kid.
08/09 is the best individual season from a midfielder that I've ever witnessed.