Ravanelli was 29 when he signed for Middlesbrough, Zola was 30 when he joined Chelsea and Di Canio was 29 when he debuted in the EPL.
Claudio Marchisio
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Ravanelli was 29 when he signed for Middlesbrough, Zola was 30 when he joined Chelsea and Di Canio was 29 when he debuted in the EPL.
First of all Aquilani was an attacking midfielder who was being played as a deep lying midfielder similar to Xabi Alonso. It similar to what happened to us with Ando. Also Aquilani was injury prone and if a player is injury prone in the Serie A which is less physical and played at lower tempo than the premiership then imagine what would happen in the EPL.
Marchisio is described by the Juve fans as an EPL type of player. He's technically gifted but he's also pretty physical and hardworking.He also has a can do attitude and he's a natural leader.
Imagine if we paid 25 million to Juve to buy the player who was replaced in their team by Pogba, who they signed from us for free.
That's why when a club has a promising player in a position which they are weak in they should play him up. Thank god we haven't lost Januzaj too.
I bet giving more playing time to the likes of Ando and Cleverley instead of giving Pogba a chance has paid up.
Shevshenko?
Fair enough though - didnt know those guys were so "old"!
That's my concern - but perhaps he is more suited.
Vialli was around 32 when he debuted with Chelsea
To be fair the EPL was much weaker than today and the Serie A was dominating the scene at that time
Yeah that needs to be taken in equation however as I said Marchisio is not your 'typical' Italian midfielder. He's hardworking and he's pretty physical.
We are not signing Marchisio
Ah thank god we have you here to inform us on this.
Someone probably mentioned this
Whether or not we're looking at other players, we could easily make contact with Juventus while we're there
A picture uploaded onto Twitter from Italian journalist Tancredi Palmeri on Sunday got plenty of people excited as Manchester United manager David Moyes was spotted in the crowd at Cagliari v Juventus.
According to the rumour mill, Moyes’ presence at the game was to get an personal view of highly-prized Cagliari defender Davide Astori.
The 27-year-old Cagliari central defender, who has been linked to Southampton, has been a solid player for Cagliari over the last six seasons, but suggestions are swirling around that the Rossonblu would let their player go for the right fee. That fee is said to be around £12.5m.
The left-sided Astori has been an outstanding performer for mid-table Cagliari, and he featured for Italy at the Confederations Cup earlier this year. He is expected to contend for a reserve spot in Cesare Prandelli’s World Cup squad this summer.
Manchester United have several defensive issues to consider in the near future, with Patrice Evra, Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic all approaching the end of their careers at Old Trafford.
Whether or not we're looking at other players, we could easily make contact with Juventus while we're there
On a serious level though why would Marchisio want to join us? Juve running away with the league, guaranteed champions league football next year, seems to love the club and the fans love him. I just couldn't see it happening. Great player though would love to have him.
He might want to join us because he's started around half of their league games this season. If he can find another top team that gives him the chance to play week in, week out then you can see why he'd be thinking about it as he's just entering the peak of his career. He's definitely suited to the Premier League too.
Hopefully you're right. Hard to see no other Italian club step in if he became available though. We could do with him.
How good would/could he be for us? Will he be a difference maker or is he a Cabaye type player who would improve us but not get us where we want to be (basically how does he compare to alternatives such as Gundogan)?
He would probably rather not play for another Italian club and certainly Juventus wouldnt be keen to sell him to one
That is very true.
I'm just saying we're not so I won't be too disappointed when we don't. I'm truly prepared for Osman.
It's Italy we are talking about, top players move between top clubs there on a regular basis and most of them prefer to stay within the country too.
Somewhere in between I guess. He's essentially a worse version of Vidal who really would be a difference maker. Marchisio's at the same level as Carrick, I'd say. Not top class but would be a starter for any team in the league. He'd definitely add that bit of dynamism and leadership to our midfield that we lack without Jones, and on top of that he offers a goal threat. He'd compliment Carrick well. When Juventus won the league unbeaten he was a key part of what was the second best midfield in the world. In that sense he'd be a definite step in the right direction, but he wouldn't be the solution on his own.
They might lose Pogba to PSG and Pirlo won't go on forever. Can't see them selling Marchisio. Having come through their youth system, I can't see Marchisio wanting to leave either.
Marchisio is certainly not a difference maker. In fact, his outstanding characteristic is the lack of outstanding characteristics. But he is a very polished midfielder who can do everything pretty well (apart from heading maybe). He is a good passer but not Pirlo or Alonso, he is good at tackling, pressing and intercepting but he is no Vidal, he has good technique but he is no Iniesta, he can shoot well but he is no Lampard. He also has strong stamina, tactical awareness and a good attitude. He is a very reliable player and who can do a good job for every team in the world. But he won't be a difference maker.
I think Marchisio is more physically suited to the Premier League than Aquilani ever was. Appears to be more willing to carry the ball, run up and down the pitch and put a foot in. Aquilani was meant to be a ball player but couldn't adapt to the pace of the PL.
Is he even a central midfielder? Whenever i see him for Italy he is used as an attacking player behind a striker or coming inside from the wing..
He has mostly played as box-to-box midfielder for Juve in the last three years and in his career overall. Under Del Neri he played on the left wing for half a season or so. He has occasionally played as trequartista for both club and country. Against Real Madrid this season he played on the right wing. And in the last couple of games he was (successfully) tested in the Pirlo role for us. As I said, he is pretty good at everything a midfielder has to do and can thus play a variety of roles, but central midfielder has been his best position so far.
His contract's expiring in 2016, so in the summer it'd only be 2 years left on it. And what's this everyone is saying about him being 29? He's 27 years old, just entering his prime. I'd guess he could probably be available for around £20m as well, because he's 4th choice and too good to be cover. Exactly the type of player we would need too, a good all round midfielder and would suit anyone we play next to him, and 4-5 years from now when he starts decking he'd still be a much better option on the bench then our current squad players.
He would be quality at United.
Based on Brwned and JuveGer descriptions, he sounds like Chelsea's Ramires; which is one I like a lot.
Have to stop comparing him to this player and that player and trying to match him up. Football doesn't work like that, some top players move on and fail and some players who move with no expectations thrive. I have never seen too much of him but he looks like a composed player and would have to be an upgrade on most our central options.
Ramires is a Traveller. Very very handy player though.
200 games for juve and over 40 for Italy
An experienced central midfielder that has been described as box to box.
We have all heard of him
What's the problem? He ticks pretty much all the boxes
How about managers? we can't compare them, too?
Which is the part I like a lot, either (if he's playing for us).
Comparing in making judgements on where they will line up in the pecking order. Comparing in general is fine but arguments as he isn't as good as this player, so he won't play better at this club is pretty stupid.