if kaka is 132 million quid, what's ronnie worth? 200? i'd sell him to wipe out 1/3'rd of our debt.
City open talks with Milan over Kaka!!
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IF and that is a big IF these rumours are true and they are going to give him £500k a week to sign for them he would be mad not to take it. It is very easy to sit behind a computer screen and say he shouldn't do this or I'm sure some will call him a mercenary. Fact is that is an incredible amount of money and playing football is his job so why should money not matter? If someone offered you much 5x your current wages elsewhere would you remain at your company even if they were the ones who gave you your first chance or been great to you would you turn it down? Most people wouldn't and I wouldn't think any less of Kaka if he went. Now if Kaka had an option between £125k at City of £100k at Milan you would say Milan is the sensible option but if someone is offering you 5x as much it doesn't matter how loyal you are you would have to think long and hard about an offer like that. Especially knowing that just like with Chelsea when the power shifted towards them after their spending spree Man City could be on the verge as well.
I am as it is becoming a bit disillusioned as to the direction football is headed, it shouldn't be like this, the Chelsea thing was bad enough but Man City might be hell bent on even out doing them.
Milan is likely to beg Kaka to move because they need the doe.
isn't silvio a billoinaire? do they need the money? i don't get why silvio doesn't bankroll milan like moratti does for inter.
This is getting cringeworthy, it really is. What a sad state our once beautiful game is in. No player should even be worth a tenth of the prices being quoted. It's a big slap in the face to those thousands and thousands of people who are struggling to afford to even be able to live right now. I grow more and more disillusioned with football every day. Behind it's beautiful facade, there lies a stinking cesspool of greed, corruption, agents and co-corporate, mendacious fat cats counting their money as they milk the average hard working fan for as much as their rapacious little hands can carry.
Cats would be terrible at milking. What with the claws an' all.
That's the only reason they tolerate humans. Cats love milk.
That's the only reason they tolerate humans. Cats love milk.
Fox Soccer Channel is saying Milan has agreed to a transfer fee for Kaka at £132,000,000, too Man City.
Is it true?!
what?!!!
City won't let this go, easily. It's scary, what if they offer £200m for Ronaldo?? we'd never turn that down. I know there's only a certain amount of players they could buy. . .but what if they're Messi, Kaka and Ronaldo???!
There will be the transfer of a Brazillian superstar between Milan and City in the summer, sadly for my City supporting mate it'll Robinho to Milan on loan. I reckon that's certain if City don't win Uefa Cup.
Fox Soccer Channel.
No doubt reporting yesterday's news.
No doubt reporting yesterday's news.
is hamilton and kimi worth 150 million quids to drive around for a bit every other week?
is tom cruise, dicaprio, jolie, hollywood a-listers worth millions of quid PER FILM?
how about jayz worth 500 million or sommat?
in the grandscheme i reckon footballers def get paid less than gridiron, baseball, and f1 superstars not to mention movie and singing-types.
i agree with what your saying mate, but how comes footballers get all the ire and none of these other blokes? next time when you go to the films or are listening to some music, think about it. in the big picture, i don't think footballers are any more greedy than the average person in life IMO. its just magnified because they are under public scrutiny at all times.
It's ridiculous to even compare the average Joe to a professional athlete. It's very rare that the average Joe ever receives a financial offer that dwarfs his/her current pay. Thus it's a useless analogy. Pro athletes are constantly receiving offers. One good year and they demand a pay rise. And it's not as if Milan is paying him peanuts. I guarantee his agent will support a move.
They are professionals and being that he's not a local lad, he's most likely to move wherever his "advisers" say is best, i.e. more loot. However, he's a self-confessed Milan supporter and why he chose them over many other clubs a few years back. What a slap in the face if he leaves them for some joke of a football club purely for financial decisions. As one former athlete stated on the radio the other day, what's another million or two to these guys now days... it's just pocket change.
What's more comical is how someone could defend Kaka for not turning down this type of wage packet yet criticize Beckham for doing the same thing.
They all have the right to earn what the market pays them. If the money men at City want to pay him huge sums and he wants to take it good luck to him. I am pretty sure not many clubs (if any) would turn down the sort of fee being suggested for any player to be fair so it will be up to Kaka.
Naught wrong with what he said.
500 thousands pounds per week?fecking Hell!
Most of the posters (me included) here won't even see 10% of the money he'd make per month in their lives....not even together.
It's the same in pretty much every other walk of life, why not football? If money can be made, someone will be there looking to make some money. Footballers getting paid thousands every week isn't really a travesty - the game brings that much money in, who deserves it more than the stars of the show?
Having said that, 500k a week for Kaka might be stretching that point a little, but you get what I'm saying!
Kaka deal ''close'' to happening according to City's assistant manager.
My sides would explode with laughter if they agreed for Kaka to move in the Summer and City ended up getting relegated.
Kaka running out at a miserable Barnsley on the first day of next season....
Kaka running out at a miserable Barnsley on the first day of next season....
Interview is on BBC - he's clearly got nothing to do with it and he seems to know less than us.Kaka deal ''close'' to happening according to City's assistant manager.
Kinell, so money cant buy everything, but a feckload of money can?
Kaka deal now definitely off. City after a B-list striker currently playing in Italy. Wonder who that might be?
It'll be party boy Adriano. A sop to Robinho -'Well, he's Brazilian you cnut , what more do you want'
He's also sufficiently damaged that he'd sign for City
Im not worried - Fletch will do a job on him. Just like in the Champs League Semi the other year!!!
Its back on
Kakaoffphoney.
Imagine what Kaka can do for them next season.
Him and Robinho running down the touchline at the likes of Preston North End, the mighty Blackpool, and maybe even Stockport County and Oldham Athletic.
Callyphournyiah kool dudes who play the beautiful game dude and want Messi for Man Utd and hope Kaka comes to Maaaanchester as well dude. They probably don't even realise it is the other Maaaaanchester.
Makes the Caf look like the Royal Astronomical Society.
City fans on shitty forums refuse to believe it ain't going to happen.
Sad sight the lot of them. Funny though.
Sad sight the lot of them. Funny though.
They used to be soooo proud of being The People's Club.
Now they are owned by Arab Slave Traders (having been sold by a bankrupt Thai Human Rights Abusing Murderer) who are playing playstation football and yet still might get them relegated.
Instead of seeing some degree of inconsistency in their stance of even two years ago they are saying insane things like "for a club on equal footing with the giants of football such as Real Madrid and AC Milan we deserve a manager with greater ambition than Mark Hughes".
They deserve the Coca Cola Championship, they really do.
Was just sent this. Hope it's not a repost
Below is the apparent transcript that has been leaked of the telephone negotiations between Kaka and Manchester City. Unfortunately the transcript is only from the City end of the call.....
"Hello, is that Kaka? How do you fancy becoming the supply line to Craig
Bellamy and Darius Vassell this winter?
"No, your fellow countryman doesn't like the cold and will be out until mid
April - but you will play alongside Stephen Ireland"
"No, Kaka, Ireland is a person not a country"
"yes, I fully appreciate that he is not Ronaldinho, Pirlo or even Beckham
but many fans have him in their fantasy football"
"I know you are currently the richest man in Italy but we can double it!"
"erm, well, we have had a bit of a slide recently and we are currently 15th"
"erm, out of 20...... but Mark Hughes once won the double for our
neighbours"
"Hughes"
"Ex Blackburn boss"
"Blackburn, Blackburn Rovers"
"No, Blackburn......Black.....Burn"
"HUGHES man, HUGHES!!!"
"He once scored a good goal against Spain"
"No, that's Gerry Armstrong..... anyway, are you coming or not?"
"Usually about two thirds full but if we play a big team it really rocks"
"yes I know, but we don't even have a car park cos all the fans walk to the
ground they are so local"
"Relevance? well, I suppose its all they have to brag about whether its true
or not"
"Only the one to be fair but its called 'blue moon' you will love it"
"Blue"
"yes, definitely blue, always has been"
"No, no, no, they are in Trafford"
"yes they are, steeped in it in fact but what good is history to you my
ambitious friend?"
"erm, 1976 I think"
"it was the er, the er League cup if memory serves me right"
"Well, the plan was to get in the top 4 this season and then....."
"yes, I realise that but....."
"Aston Villa? What's it got to do with them?"
"Yes, I know but we have been down this history route already"
"How the heck does a Brazilian playing in Italy know about Nottingham
Forest?"
"Yes, yes, and Leeds United also made a final but you are missing my point,
this is all about the future"
"Give me strength......HUGHES!!!!"
"yes I know he did and he was a legend there but he is a changed man"
"forget them, they are falling apart"
"But all those trophies were won last year! They have won nothing in 2009"
"I have told you.... 1976!!!!"
"How the heck does a Brazilian playing in Italy know that Virginia Wade has
won Wimbledon since then?"
"Yes she probably is in her 60's"
"I don't know, probably about 10 league titles, 2 European cups and countless
domestic cups what has that got to do with it?"
"76,000 why?"
"yes, every game, even minor cups I suppose, but where is this getting us?"
"Yes, the league cup is considered a minor cup over here why?"
"I know, I know, I know, ok perhaps they won the FA Cup in 1970 or something
does it really matter?"
"look, Kaka, we will treble whatever you are on now, buy you a mansion in
Alderley Edge and give you a helicopter for your front lawn....are you
joining us?"
"NO!, its owned by the council - what has the ground got to do with
anything"
"well, officially its the City of Manchester Stadium but most people call it
Eastlands"
"EAST!, not Waste"
"You will be adored there"
"No, not there, here I meant"
"No, that's Old Trafford, I meant adored here at Waste....erm, Eastlands"
"Anderson??? what does he know?"
"Ok I hear what you say, but other than Pride, Ambition, Achievement,
History, Passion and a large car park - what can they offer you?"
"what do you mean no credit left in your phone.....I phoned you"
"Hello, Mr Kaka,...... Mr Kaka are you there?............................
Below is the apparent transcript that has been leaked of the telephone negotiations between Kaka and Manchester City. Unfortunately the transcript is only from the City end of the call.....
"Hello, is that Kaka? How do you fancy becoming the supply line to Craig
Bellamy and Darius Vassell this winter?
"No, your fellow countryman doesn't like the cold and will be out until mid
April - but you will play alongside Stephen Ireland"
"No, Kaka, Ireland is a person not a country"
"yes, I fully appreciate that he is not Ronaldinho, Pirlo or even Beckham
but many fans have him in their fantasy football"
"I know you are currently the richest man in Italy but we can double it!"
"erm, well, we have had a bit of a slide recently and we are currently 15th"
"erm, out of 20...... but Mark Hughes once won the double for our
neighbours"
"Hughes"
"Ex Blackburn boss"
"Blackburn, Blackburn Rovers"
"No, Blackburn......Black.....Burn"
"HUGHES man, HUGHES!!!"
"He once scored a good goal against Spain"
"No, that's Gerry Armstrong..... anyway, are you coming or not?"
"Usually about two thirds full but if we play a big team it really rocks"
"yes I know, but we don't even have a car park cos all the fans walk to the
ground they are so local"
"Relevance? well, I suppose its all they have to brag about whether its true
or not"
"Only the one to be fair but its called 'blue moon' you will love it"
"Blue"
"yes, definitely blue, always has been"
"No, no, no, they are in Trafford"
"yes they are, steeped in it in fact but what good is history to you my
ambitious friend?"
"erm, 1976 I think"
"it was the er, the er League cup if memory serves me right"
"Well, the plan was to get in the top 4 this season and then....."
"yes, I realise that but....."
"Aston Villa? What's it got to do with them?"
"Yes, I know but we have been down this history route already"
"How the heck does a Brazilian playing in Italy know about Nottingham
Forest?"
"Yes, yes, and Leeds United also made a final but you are missing my point,
this is all about the future"
"Give me strength......HUGHES!!!!"
"yes I know he did and he was a legend there but he is a changed man"
"forget them, they are falling apart"
"But all those trophies were won last year! They have won nothing in 2009"
"I have told you.... 1976!!!!"
"How the heck does a Brazilian playing in Italy know that Virginia Wade has
won Wimbledon since then?"
"Yes she probably is in her 60's"
"I don't know, probably about 10 league titles, 2 European cups and countless
domestic cups what has that got to do with it?"
"76,000 why?"
"yes, every game, even minor cups I suppose, but where is this getting us?"
"Yes, the league cup is considered a minor cup over here why?"
"I know, I know, I know, ok perhaps they won the FA Cup in 1970 or something
does it really matter?"
"look, Kaka, we will treble whatever you are on now, buy you a mansion in
Alderley Edge and give you a helicopter for your front lawn....are you
joining us?"
"NO!, its owned by the council - what has the ground got to do with
anything"
"well, officially its the City of Manchester Stadium but most people call it
Eastlands"
"EAST!, not Waste"
"You will be adored there"
"No, not there, here I meant"
"No, that's Old Trafford, I meant adored here at Waste....erm, Eastlands"
"Anderson??? what does he know?"
"Ok I hear what you say, but other than Pride, Ambition, Achievement,
History, Passion and a large car park - what can they offer you?"
"what do you mean no credit left in your phone.....I phoned you"
"Hello, Mr Kaka,...... Mr Kaka are you there?............................
The Italian press is dominated by this story this morning. They reckon Milan will accept but leave it up to Kaka, which makes sense. Problem is, its not just as simple as Kaka saying 'I don't want to go' and that being the end of it. Kaka's career is controlled by his dad and this other man. If they think he should go to City, he will. Not only that but if Milan really need the money, they could tell Kaka this, which would force him to go.
Man City 'close' to Kaka signing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7830199.stm
Manchester City assistant manager Mark Bowen says Brazilian superstar Kaka is "very close" to a world record-breaking transfer from Italian giants AC Milan.
A City delegation travelled to Italy and reportedly bid about 100m euros for the 26-year-old attacking midfielder.
Kaka has said he intends to stay at Serie A giants Milan but Bowen told BBC Sport Wales: "We believe the deal is very close.
"We are selling the future plans of the club to the player."
Kaka's adviser Diogo Kotscho said the 2007 Fifa World Player of the Year would be open to a move to City if Milan wanted to sell.
And Mark Hughes' right-hand-man Bowen revealed: "I've read a lot about his love of AC Milan - and that goes without saying - but even when people said the deal was dead, that was not our understanding.
"We are still hopeful of still signing Kaka.
"The situation has been a surprise to everyone but obviously negotiations have been going on for a fair while.
"How close we are I don't know but our understanding is that it is very much a strong possibility that Kaka will be coming to Manchester City."
Some media outlets reported that the deal was off because Man City had decided to withdraw their offer to Milan.
But Hughes told a news conference on Thursday that the club were continuing their pursuit of the player, insisting that "negotiations are still taking place".
It is impossible to say whether it will go through or not but we will let everyone know when there is something to say
Mark Hughes
Hughes also said he was very much part of discussions to bring Kaka to Eastlands.
"It would be naive to think I have not been involved in discussions over this transfer. I have had meetings about it and have had an input," said the Welshman.
"It is impossible to say whether it will go through or not but we will let everyone know when there is something to say."
An AC Milan spokesman told BBC Sport on Thursday that they would not be making any further comment on the "special situation".
Kaka's representative insists any move to Manchester City would be done for the right reasons and not just for the reported £500,000-a-week wages.
"It is not impossible, if Milan let us talk, then we will see what City have to offer," Kotscho told BBC 5 Live.
"Kaka knows about the offer but the club did not give authorisation for talks, so we did not meet.
"It was a great proposal but it's not about only money.
"We have to see if Manchester City have a project to become a Champions League team and become one of the top teams in the world, and to stay there long term."
"Kaka wouldn't do anything based on money," Kotscho earlier told Italian newspaper Corriere dello Sport.
Kaka move will change English football - Shearer
Previously Kaka had told the website of Mediaset, a TV company owned by Milan owner Silvio Berlusconi how he wanted to stay at the club for life.
"I want to grow old at Milan," he said.
"I repeat what I have always said. Other clubs can make all the offers they want but it all depends on Milan.
"As I have said before, as long as Milan share my goals, I would like to stay here. Then if one day the club wants to sell me, than that would be a different matter altogether.
"My aim is to become at some point in the future the captain of this team."
With Paolo Maldini currently holding the AC Milan skipper's armband, Kaka added: "I know there is a hierarchy and Maldini and (Massimo) Ambrosini are before me, but after..."
AC Milan confirmed that their chief executive Adriano Galliani had met officials from City on Tuesday to discuss Kaka's future.
In a statement, the Serie A club said: "Galliani received a delegation from Manchester City yesterday in Milan as a gesture of courtesy like always in these cases. There are no talks at the moment."
The current record for a player's signature is £46m when France's Zinedine Zidane moved from Juventus to Real Madrid in 2001.
Kaka joined Serie A giants Milan from Sao Paulo in 2003 and has since won the league title, Champions League and Club World Cup.
The attacking midfielder has scored 86 goals in 244 appearances for Milan. He has also picked up 62 caps for Brazil and scored 23 goals.
Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, estimated to be worth £15bn, took over as City owner in September 2008 and extensive funds have been made available to Hughes.
However, he has only secured the services of Wayne Bridge in January's transfer window, with bids rejected for West Ham forward Craig Bellamy and Blackburn striker Roque Santa Cruz.
The four-man delegation that travelled to Italy to initiate talks with the Milan officials is believed to have included executive chairman Garry Cook and two representatives of the Sheikh.
BBC Radio 5 Live's senior football reporter Ian Dennis says the move underlines Sheikh Mansour's "desire to transform Manchester City", although he added "actually pulling off what would be an incredible coup is another matter entirely".
With the club struggling in 15th position in the Premier League, it would give City an incredible boost if they were to seal the deal for one of the world's best players.
However, it is thought the move to target Kaka is being driven by the club's top officials rather than Hughes himself.
Kaka is under contract at the San Siro until 2013, and although he stated last February that he wanted to remain at Milan for the rest of his career, he did hint at a desire to play in the Premier League - which he has described as the "best championship in the world".
Italian football expert Gabrielle Marcotti told BBC Radio 5 Live he believed the City delegation had begun conversations with Milan representatives talking about signing goalkeeper Nelson Dida.
"As I understand it, they went to Milan supposedly under the ruse of talking about another player and in the course of the conversation they brought up Kaka and said they would be prepared to spend this much," Marcotti said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7830199.stm
Manchester City assistant manager Mark Bowen says Brazilian superstar Kaka is "very close" to a world record-breaking transfer from Italian giants AC Milan.
A City delegation travelled to Italy and reportedly bid about 100m euros for the 26-year-old attacking midfielder.
Kaka has said he intends to stay at Serie A giants Milan but Bowen told BBC Sport Wales: "We believe the deal is very close.
"We are selling the future plans of the club to the player."
Kaka's adviser Diogo Kotscho said the 2007 Fifa World Player of the Year would be open to a move to City if Milan wanted to sell.
And Mark Hughes' right-hand-man Bowen revealed: "I've read a lot about his love of AC Milan - and that goes without saying - but even when people said the deal was dead, that was not our understanding.
"We are still hopeful of still signing Kaka.
"The situation has been a surprise to everyone but obviously negotiations have been going on for a fair while.
"How close we are I don't know but our understanding is that it is very much a strong possibility that Kaka will be coming to Manchester City."
Some media outlets reported that the deal was off because Man City had decided to withdraw their offer to Milan.
But Hughes told a news conference on Thursday that the club were continuing their pursuit of the player, insisting that "negotiations are still taking place".
It is impossible to say whether it will go through or not but we will let everyone know when there is something to say
Mark Hughes
Hughes also said he was very much part of discussions to bring Kaka to Eastlands.
"It would be naive to think I have not been involved in discussions over this transfer. I have had meetings about it and have had an input," said the Welshman.
"It is impossible to say whether it will go through or not but we will let everyone know when there is something to say."
An AC Milan spokesman told BBC Sport on Thursday that they would not be making any further comment on the "special situation".
Kaka's representative insists any move to Manchester City would be done for the right reasons and not just for the reported £500,000-a-week wages.
"It is not impossible, if Milan let us talk, then we will see what City have to offer," Kotscho told BBC 5 Live.
"Kaka knows about the offer but the club did not give authorisation for talks, so we did not meet.
"It was a great proposal but it's not about only money.
"We have to see if Manchester City have a project to become a Champions League team and become one of the top teams in the world, and to stay there long term."
"Kaka wouldn't do anything based on money," Kotscho earlier told Italian newspaper Corriere dello Sport.
Kaka move will change English football - Shearer
Previously Kaka had told the website of Mediaset, a TV company owned by Milan owner Silvio Berlusconi how he wanted to stay at the club for life.
"I want to grow old at Milan," he said.
"I repeat what I have always said. Other clubs can make all the offers they want but it all depends on Milan.
"As I have said before, as long as Milan share my goals, I would like to stay here. Then if one day the club wants to sell me, than that would be a different matter altogether.
"My aim is to become at some point in the future the captain of this team."
With Paolo Maldini currently holding the AC Milan skipper's armband, Kaka added: "I know there is a hierarchy and Maldini and (Massimo) Ambrosini are before me, but after..."
AC Milan confirmed that their chief executive Adriano Galliani had met officials from City on Tuesday to discuss Kaka's future.
In a statement, the Serie A club said: "Galliani received a delegation from Manchester City yesterday in Milan as a gesture of courtesy like always in these cases. There are no talks at the moment."
The current record for a player's signature is £46m when France's Zinedine Zidane moved from Juventus to Real Madrid in 2001.
Kaka joined Serie A giants Milan from Sao Paulo in 2003 and has since won the league title, Champions League and Club World Cup.
The attacking midfielder has scored 86 goals in 244 appearances for Milan. He has also picked up 62 caps for Brazil and scored 23 goals.
Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, estimated to be worth £15bn, took over as City owner in September 2008 and extensive funds have been made available to Hughes.
However, he has only secured the services of Wayne Bridge in January's transfer window, with bids rejected for West Ham forward Craig Bellamy and Blackburn striker Roque Santa Cruz.
The four-man delegation that travelled to Italy to initiate talks with the Milan officials is believed to have included executive chairman Garry Cook and two representatives of the Sheikh.
BBC Radio 5 Live's senior football reporter Ian Dennis says the move underlines Sheikh Mansour's "desire to transform Manchester City", although he added "actually pulling off what would be an incredible coup is another matter entirely".
With the club struggling in 15th position in the Premier League, it would give City an incredible boost if they were to seal the deal for one of the world's best players.
However, it is thought the move to target Kaka is being driven by the club's top officials rather than Hughes himself.
Kaka is under contract at the San Siro until 2013, and although he stated last February that he wanted to remain at Milan for the rest of his career, he did hint at a desire to play in the Premier League - which he has described as the "best championship in the world".
Italian football expert Gabrielle Marcotti told BBC Radio 5 Live he believed the City delegation had begun conversations with Milan representatives talking about signing goalkeeper Nelson Dida.
"As I understand it, they went to Milan supposedly under the ruse of talking about another player and in the course of the conversation they brought up Kaka and said they would be prepared to spend this much," Marcotti said.
No club on earth is turning down £132m cash for a player. It's as simple as that.
This whole thing is ridiculous, City will ruin football.
Ah well, I bet Kaka can't wait to link up with legends like Darius Vassel and Michael Ball.
Ah well, I bet Kaka can't wait to link up with legends like Darius Vassel and Michael Ball.
Kaka to Man City.
I never thought I'd see that happening.
Madness.
I never thought I'd see that happening.
Madness.
Exactly. You can build a stadium for that amount. Reading between the lines, it's upto Kaka and his advisors to thrash out a deal. He'll have some clauses in there no doubt. City'll turn into a freak show. Interesting nonetheless, though. (Just when we saw off Chelsea.)
I reckon the 500k a week thing is bollocks, but the initial outlay to get his club to say yes, is not.
He'll probably be on £200-£250k if they can get him there.
Still madness, but not unprecedented (Beckham)
He'll probably be on £200-£250k if they can get him there.
Still madness, but not unprecedented (Beckham)
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