They were found guilty and paid a fine, people think they got away with it because they were reinstated back into the CL
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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Heard today that they have slim to no chance of an appeal if they’re found guilty due to the PL themselves leading the investigation. Also heard that any evidence is allowed to be used in court, regardless of how that evidence has been garnered.
He would have emails, calls, something since he wasn’t physically there. He would have to prove he did
It says a lot about City fans presuming they’re fecked because the person leading the investigation is involved with Arsenal, it’s like you’re projecting your pettiness onto other people.
If you’ve genuinely done nothing wrong, it wouldn’t matter if Fergie himself was leading the investigation would it?
Yeah, there was that one about the grass being too long...
I get that they are doing this because it was blatant financial cheating. In terms of sponsorship, there's plenty of evidence in those mails to show the types of discussions that were going on. The Mancini thing, could just be explained that he was paid to do an ad, or be an advisor for another company in a different country.
Let's say it was rushed, the PL would probably be quicker to do a deal. If it's going to drag on for months/years they'll probably look to do a deal that shows they done something. But many will see anything other than expulsion/relegation and a stripping of titles as anything other than a let off.
If they get kicked out of the PL and the League, which is unlikely. Would they have to apply to start again somewhere else on the pyramid? Would one of those leagues even want them to come In at the loss of another club?
Obviously not.
It never is. But this could (I say could) have a couple of nice (for me, at least) effects (or side effects, if you will):
City could get a proper kick in the balls - which would be nice. Not mainly (I'm not that petty) because it's City, but because their owners are scum who deserve exactly zero sympathy from anyone.
And that in itself (giving City a proper kick in the balls) could set a precedent which it might be tricky to just plain forget about the next time something similar comes up.
Does that stop players from coming to them? Maybe so if they could get relegated at any time?
Good grief.
Typical fecking Tories. “We are only cheating because it was easier”.
They’re all at it. Samuel did actually write good copy at one point. Eons ago. Now he’s just a cum guzzling sock puppet of the exact people he’s framing as ‘The Establishment’. That guy sells the integrity of his bum hole to the highest bidder at every single juncture. He’s now circling the drain and it’s mad we keep pouring water into the tub. Turn off the fecking taps people. He will vanish.
We need to start banning articles from these kind of ghouls. It’s not news anymore, it’s propaganda.
That was the other halves province
'A member of Arsenal FC', thats a bit of a broad statement, i he a director or just a fan. It could just be The Mirror stirring the pot.
My cynical side thinks that this could be the Premier League offering a 'loophole' for City to exploit and escape from on a technicality.
Why are you hung up on blackburn I am speaking in general not about on instance or one player...
Were I a City fan, and one who was fine with the nature of their most recent ownership, it would all be very simple. It's one of two things:
1. I know we're breaking the rules and I don't care because the rules were just there to artificially keep the elite at the top and prevent anyone joining them
2. I know we're breaking the rules and I don't care because it's just football and it's a silly thing that entertains us, so who cares about football finances
There can't be many City fans that honestly believe - particularly early days - that Manchester City could have commerical revenue topping Real Madrid and Manchester United, which coincidentally all came from our owners cousins' companies. Surely this has all been *wink wink* of course it's legit, even among City fans?
The only news here is that City might have got caught for real this time.
1. I know we're breaking the rules and I don't care because the rules were just there to artificially keep the elite at the top and prevent anyone joining them
2. I know we're breaking the rules and I don't care because it's just football and it's a silly thing that entertains us, so who cares about football finances
There can't be many City fans that honestly believe - particularly early days - that Manchester City could have commerical revenue topping Real Madrid and Manchester United, which coincidentally all came from our owners cousins' companies. Surely this has all been *wink wink* of course it's legit, even among City fans?
The only news here is that City might have got caught for real this time.
A tax expert could confirm but it isn’t it true that if you are resident in the uk that you pay tax on any income that you receive regardless of where it is from?
Unless Mancini owns some companies elsewhere in the world where the money was paid to?
I don’t know enough about this!
It looks to me like there's actually 2 strands that need investigating
PL regulations are one, the other is criminal
Breaking PL rules is not necessarily illegal in the eyes of the law, however there does appear to be stuff relating to tax which likely could be of a criminal nature
PL regulations are one, the other is criminal
Breaking PL rules is not necessarily illegal in the eyes of the law, however there does appear to be stuff relating to tax which likely could be of a criminal nature
Anyone thinking that proper multiple year transfer bans and relegations and regulations wouldn’t be an appropriate defence… is just mad, or doesn’t understand.
They haven’t just broken rules, they set fire to the rule book, then pissed on it to put it out.
They can keep the titles for all I care. Their team beat the others.
But they can be relegated to the bottom tier and have a ban on sponsorship from any entity even vaguely linked to the ownership group. Goodbye Etihad, et al. A monumental fine of several billion that’s split across the bottom 3 divisions.
I’m not even bothered it was City. I feel for their fans, honestly. They didn’t choose this. But they sure as feck need to accept how atrocious it all is. None seem to be doing that.
They haven’t just broken rules, they set fire to the rule book, then pissed on it to put it out.
They can keep the titles for all I care. Their team beat the others.
But they can be relegated to the bottom tier and have a ban on sponsorship from any entity even vaguely linked to the ownership group. Goodbye Etihad, et al. A monumental fine of several billion that’s split across the bottom 3 divisions.
I’m not even bothered it was City. I feel for their fans, honestly. They didn’t choose this. But they sure as feck need to accept how atrocious it all is. None seem to be doing that.
I read somewhere that UEFA couldn't use the emails as evidence because it came from a hacker but the premier league can use it, don't know how true that is
I read somewhere he has stronger links than being a fan but it makes no odds really, the guy is highly respected in his profession, I'm pretty sure he'll be fair.
Ok, why would the other clubs that aren't Blackburn lie about this, then? I used them as an example because you included the Roque Santa Cruz transfer, the logic is the same for all clubs.
Yup PL can use evidence regardless of how its obtained.
Its likely the EFL wouldn't lose a club because there'd be an extra team promoted (or one less relegated). But its completely up to the EFL is we're accepted or not from what I've read, they could decide "Nope not getting in here" and we'd have to start below that. I imagine the same all the way down the tiers. If the EFL did accept City they could restructure how they like I'd imagine as long as they don't have to feck anyone over to do it. So relegate a team who didn't get relegated or deny a legit team promotion.
I'm not 100% on this but I gathered from reading thats vaguely how it would play out.
Calm down it was a joke.
This is how it feels to be city
This is how it feels to be bent
This is how it feels when you have Less money than Gent
This is how it feels to be bent
This is how it feels when you have Less money than Gent
If you see hood prints, think Horse, not Zebra. The documented evidence is huge.
There’s simply no need to go full Alex Jones and throw in football transfer fee manipulation. Sure, I wouldn’t be surprised by a case or two. But it’s of such little
Consequence to the actual crimes.
Let's hope they do come down hard on City as it might slow down our new owners for making the same mistakes.
I expect it'll be a points deduction though, 20pts is my guess. Not beyond possibility that they get such a deduction and still make the CL.
I expect it'll be a points deduction though, 20pts is my guess. Not beyond possibility that they get such a deduction and still make the CL.
Not a hope, I'm convinced we're going down for this. I think most people presume a member of arsenal is stronger connection than a fan, simply because he's also listed as a member of CAS and only City are fans of CAS right now. That said I got no clue and only going off few bits I've read from City related sources (non official).
Oh well fair fecks pal. If you don’t consider breaking the rules, cheating, then let’s all go home.
Jesus Christ the sport would be a horror show of dead clubs and backhanders with you at the wheel.
“They’ve got money, why can’t they buy the parents of all the best youth players in the country a house?”
There’s no end to those scenarios. There are rules. They broke them.
Per chance, do you like Elon Musk?
We can only hope that this will be the case. I have my doubts, though, for a series of reasons. The main one, as i explained, is that i believe that they were fully aware of what was going on. Come on, no one's that naive. Not even Pep. They have probably been gathering the evidence to build a case while, at the same time, being in contact with Mansour to solve this quietly. Given that, i don't believe they really want to push it as far as some people think or want them to. They still love the money from the oil states going into their own pockets and, at this level of wealth and power, you always try to come out of a situation unscathed (so that business as usual can resume) and also without damaging your rival's pride. It's bad to stir the waters so much at the very top. Worst case scenario for City, the way i see it, is a transfer ban and a certain period of time for City Investment Group to find a buyer who will give them a fair price while also abiding by the laws (both written and unwritten) of the PL. City have the status now to get good deals and keep most of their players. On the other hand, the rest will also be pleased. This way the PL will emerge out of the battle victorious having sent a strong message and without really admitting that the script for their main attraction during the past 4–5 years, the City-Liverpool rivalry, was so badly written. But demotion and stripping them off their titles... i don't see it.
From what I've seen, the EFL would have no obligation to accept them. But the PL can't or have no provision to relegate them, they can only expel them. Probably because the PL is a separate body.
You'd have to assume that relegation would only be possible if they started the season with an insurmountable point deficit.
A few million in the pocket from sheik? You and others might laugh it off and see it as a dumb idea but I advise you to read what they have been charged with and you will realize it is not that far off. The corruption and vile shady stuff they have been upto runs deep.
I remember back years ago some pundit spoke about how City got so good, they need a top player in a position, they spend bigger than other clubs can afford, and if it fails they just repeat that until the player doesn't fail. That scope of budget let them take risks on players and not care about failures, so other clubs couldn't go for those players at the prices city went to because they couldn't afford the potential losses. So not anyone could buy those players. Uneven playing field. And in real terms the money City should have had under the rules in place to spend wouldn't have been enough to keep them at the level they were at over that time period without the inflated sponsorships (and potentially the offbooks wages given).
All this shithousery, lies, and trickery and now we have @loki in the thread.
A true sign of the gods! By odins beard those vile cheating cnuts are guilty!
A true sign of the gods! By odins beard those vile cheating cnuts are guilty!
The Chelsea situation is quite different to this. As far as everyone is aware Chelsea haven't broken any rules.
For instance, let's have a look at the two biggest issues City are facing:
1) Making up sponsorship deals to increase revenue by having Mansoor pay the majority/significant amount of the actual deals.
2) Pay managers/players off the books.
Let's start with Point 1.
There is no evidence of suggestion Chelsea have RA do this. An example of this would be RA has Gazprom sponsor the Stamford Bridge and their shirt for £70m a year and he paid at least 50% of this deal with Gazprom paying the other half. No sponsorship deal of Chelsea's has ever been accused of this.
Point 2
There isn't any evidence Chelsea have ever paid anyone under the table e.g. Mancini where he was paid one wage directly and the other part of his wage came from a consultancy role.
What Chelsea have generally done is fine loopholes the whole time. Examples of this can be seen with:
1) RA spending like crazy in his early years when their was no sort of FFP.
2) Setting up the loan and youth systems to generate a form of artificial income to offset transfer that are spread over the length of contracts.
3) Providing extra long contracts to spread the cost of purchases, as seen with Bohely.
Chelsea have been doing things to cook the books to spend extra, but every time it has been within the actual rules, even if the things they were doing where unintended consequences/unforseen by the regulators when the put the rules in place.
As far as we are aware of, Chelsea have skated around the rules, whilst keeping in the lines. It is very different to City.
A few million where? They can't declare it as income, so they can't spend it.
I get people saying you’re a city fan in disguise now.
Problem is PSG paying insane money to the 3 of them. Nobody can match it.
Enjoy city while you can but you should show it on your profile.
This is something I (sadly, I should say) believe in very much as a general concept.
(To be clear, I don't believe in it myself - I don't think it's good - but I believe it's very much a reality).
So, yeah - I don't think anyone should expect anything grand here.
Hope - as United fans - that City, or rather City's owners, get a tasty kick in the balls? Sure. I hope that very much myself, and it's not entirely impossible.
Hope - as football fans - that this will be a watershed case, lighting the way to a better future...and whatnot? Sure, we can always hope. But it really is pretty much (entirely) impossible.
Still - I'm the last person in the world to tell anyone to abandon hope. I'm a hope guy - I will never give up hope.
I’ve always said that you can live without water for many days, but you can’t live for a second without hope.”
Haven't seen it posted yet but The Overlap uploaded the part 1 of their new episode about City and FFP:
City fan reverting to the good old "i'm not an accountant i only care about football" bs argument to avoid answering questions...
On a side note, their new studio looks great but their sound engineer needs to find a new job. Horrible mixing and levels, you can barely hear some journalists/fans before Carragher explode in your ear.
City fan reverting to the good old "i'm not an accountant i only care about football" bs argument to avoid answering questions...
On a side note, their new studio looks great but their sound engineer needs to find a new job. Horrible mixing and levels, you can barely hear some journalists/fans before Carragher explode in your ear.
Which is why there’s no corruption in the UK.