Someone should do an audit of their attendance figures too.Can we focus more on the guy who thinks they’re being charged for the length of the grass please
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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North West Counties League One North. Massive game v AFC Liverpool coming up and a revival of the legendary City v Bury mega derby.
I find it odd people criticising FFP and would like to know what they suggest?
A club should be grown to be self sufficient for its own protection and so it can function healthily with or without its owners cash injections.
When you see clubs like Bury vanish from a community, amongst many others, it’s pretty obvious there needs to be some kind of financial rule to ensure organic growth.
A club should be grown to be self sufficient for its own protection and so it can function healthily with or without its owners cash injections.
When you see clubs like Bury vanish from a community, amongst many others, it’s pretty obvious there needs to be some kind of financial rule to ensure organic growth.
My city fan colleague told me this, where has it come from?Can we focus more on the guy who thinks they’re being charged for the length of the grass please
Yes you're correct with regards to start-ups, but they exist only to generate profits and maximise shareholder returns.
Football is for the fans, not for investors looking to make a quick buck. If clubs were allowed to be operated with the same amount of losses, leverage and earnings risk as start-ups, then you'd have clubs going bankrupt on a monthly basis across the world. This would be destructive for the game.
We are listed as one of the clubs that want them kicked out if found guilty of these charges. You absolutely love to see it.
Would love for them to get relegated, or not allowed to play in any English leagues.
Ill take KBD and Haaland in the summer if they do, so they can remain in Manchester
Ill take KBD and Haaland in the summer if they do, so they can remain in Manchester
Why? The Wikipedia definition reads as follows: A cartel is a group of independent market participants who collude with each other in order to improve their profits and dominate the market. Cartels are usually associations in the same sphere of business, and thus an alliance of rivals.
That's exactly what FFP is doing: A group of independent market participants who put rules into place that ensure their profits and market leadership. Let's be real, European football has nothing to do with a free market. Maybe the word "collude" is too strong since it is widely accepted and known that they do it. But the result is still the same. IMO it should be forbidden.
Then explain to me what advantage FFP poses for small teams. It is literally impossible to organically catch up with top clubs. FFP only cuts their economic freedom in a way that limits their growth potential severely. It only protects them against their own incompetence and prevents them from utilizing their own competence. In effect, it freezes the status quo and ensures that everything stays as it is.
City are not the only ones. I hope England finally takes FFP seriously.
It's been my favourite one so far today, and there have been a few whoppers - the aplomb and arrogance with which it was brought forwards is what made it gold, for me.Can we focus more on the guy who thinks they’re being charged for the length of the grass please
You mean besides them being absolute morons?
To the 2 bolded parts - it's not, and I've already done that. If you're going to be wilfully ignorant about things, and argue without any intellectual honestly, then that's your prerogative.
I found this information interesting when you consider that a lot of stuff got hacked/leaked on them, which UEFA presumably couldn't use.
"The premier league states that the data source is irrelevant whereas UEFA has a statute of limitations" says Kieran Maguire
"The premier league states that the data source is irrelevant whereas UEFA has a statute of limitations" says Kieran Maguire
They can trace that back though, they can ask for KDBs bank statements and then ask for all sponsorships he has and with what companies.
200k p/w won't go unnoticed
Sport is based on some principle of fairness. The comparison with the startups makes no sense. I mean, startups and companies can just hire more people and throw them at the problem. Let's do so in sports too and some squad fields 800 players at the same time.
It’s the shittest legal cartel I’ve ever seen. If Arsenal, Liverpool and United are putting in rules deliberately to stop City and Chelsea from competing then feck me - what a job they’ve done. 1 league title between the 3 of them in 10 fecking years. Anyone who looks at wages and transfer fees going up continually and doesn’t think maybe some sort of cap is needed to stop that growth in relation to revenues is being a bit silly in my mind.
Yeah we can forgive you for joining them as all make mistakes,jokes aside I see both going abroad if they got on their toes
A rule has been referenced by code (K.20 or something) which people have then cited from the current rules, but it’s actually referencing the 2013 rule book and obviously additions have been made since so K.20 from 2013 isn’t the same rule as it is now.
NB: K.20 is an example, I don’t remember the actual code.
You know he hit post, and sat back ready to bask in the glory of his wisdom as the notifications rolled in.
Then he clicked on the first one, and boom, reality hit like a wet fish and he abandoned thread.
Side note, do you think this is why the recent slump? The players know what's happening in the club before it was made official?
The premier league is in effect the owners of the 20 clubs in it. To win a vote City would have to bribe 7 of those owners/groups of owners, which would take a hell of a lot of money with a good chance one of them would spill the beans on what was happening and leave them even deeper in it.
The defensive stance of City/some in the media claiming everyone's against them- yeah, you broke the rules for a sustained period of time when other clubs have been fighting to stay competitive, fighting to stay in the league in some instances, and have felt huge pressure from the Covid pandemic; they had to do all of those things within the laws of the game and you flagrantly cheated by breaking those laws, of course they're going to be pissed off with you!!!
Not missing any relevant point.It’s just the point you think you are making is not relevant.
I mean the two biggest clubs in the country have had two eras of real success each and in between and for the majority of seasons have not been successful. United have gone 10 years without a league win and Liverpool just came off a 30 year wait.
What you seem to want is for football to become about shoddily run football clubs like your own to wake up one morning to owners that transform the landscape of the football world. Cheat mode. Truly aspirational. When City got took over they went from being an absolute joke to being a matter of when not if. Should football really reward mediocrity.
I don’t think so. Earn it.
At the end of they day it is just 53 pages of wishfull thinking. No one knows if anything illegal can be proven, nor if anything illegal has even taken place as hard to believe as it may be.
City are the Amber Heard of clubs
Saying its a big loss for women on the day she lost, despite overwhelming evidence against her being abusive, manipulative
I disagree with FFP in general but heres my issue with my club.
We signed up to these rules, we agreed to abide by them, then we broke them.
It really is that simple. Come what may, City have to suck it up.
For what its woth I don't think they'll come for Chelsea really. Lets be honest, you have none of the rumours or shit floating about that we've had since 2009.
If all this ends with City in the conference with new owners than it is what it is.
I feel for our fans and the players to an extent, but lie with a dirty dog and you'll get up with flees.
Slightly disingenuous. It's many pages of sharing media reports and excerpts of the documents substantiating the charges.
For those aspiring for European football they'll vote against them, and those in relegation scraps its a vote they'll never win.
Its sad that they can't do it within the rules given that theyre state run
Already has been proven no?
Not quite true that is it.
The club has been charged. There’s evidence there that they believe has a realistic prospect of guilt (if using criminal terms)
It’s not just some whispers from the pub
In which case we're hopefully correctly be punished.
Make no mistake, I don't think City should walk away from this, even if the charges don't stick there needs to be a change at the top regardless of where that leaves the club.
This whole thing came about (the transfer inflation disucssion) because I made a Harry Maguire joke.
Its 53 pages of leaks that show they wanted to get around rules that were in place.
They wouldn't publish the 53 pages if it was nothing.
They essentially bribed their way out of the UEFA ruling too iirc. Or something in the ruling meant they got off free when really they shouldn't have.
This time I don't think it'll be so easy, and honestly you'd be hard pressed to find a football fan that will side with City.
Yeah but operating a football club isn't as risky as a startup, is it? Plus not everybody has to follow a growth strategy but they would at least have the choice to do so. As of now, there's literally no way for a small club to make its way to the top. And let's be real, money doesn't allow you to field 800 players but it definitely is the most decisive dimension when operating a football club. And FFP ensures that basically all clubs remain in the tier that they currently are at and the only way to get to the top of the food chain is either circumventing the rules or straight out breaching them. It's literally the only way to the top.
But I'm out at this point. For me it's as clear as day that FFP is the exact opposite of fair but I think most people have already made up their mind about it. I blame it on the conflict of interests a fan of a top club has when criticizing FFP.
I don't think I'm the one who is intellectually dishonest. I mean, in the end you're the one trying to sell that limiting their freedom to make decision is an advantage for small clubs as if they needed a supervisor. I don't believe you would see it this way if you were a fan of a smaller club. But let's just agree to disagree here. Maybe a few years down the road when the ESL will be inevitable you'll see it differently.
Nobody said it was a good cartel
Which is why there was a second attempt with the ESL.Their biggest problem will be the iminnant departure of Pep.
Even with all the money in the world, we all see how much a proper manager does.
Even with all the money in the world, we all see how much a proper manager does.
Ilegal has nothing to do with it. What is known is that the PL have charged them because they have, in the PL's view, broken the PL rules. The accuracy of those charges will now be analysed by a comission.
Speaking about this thread. 54 pages of wishfull thinking now
Manchester United would be able to earn hundreds of millions more in revenue if they were allowed to sell their own media rights to all their games to Amazon fecking Prime. They aren’t allowed to do so because it would be unfair and make the league less competitive. Is this a legal cartel stopping Manchester United being competitive? You oil lickers can’t have it both ways. You can’t allow unregulated spending from states or owners who want to sportwash their crimes that results in one club winning 5 of the last 6 EPL titles on one hand but with the other say it’s unfair and against the spirit of the league for Manchester United to sell their own media rights - It’s hypocritical bullshit.