City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

Bluelion7 said:
I’d go a step further and say that if Ambramovich had ACTUALLY been a front for Putin or the Russian state, like Deripaska and the guys parliament still take “contributions” from… then there wouldn’t have been a forced sale. Ambramovich is just a normal guy, a billionaire, but just a guy, and one that half the Russian hierarchy would prefer dead. He was easily “gettable” …. So that they can say they took a hard stance when Russias real Allies (like the OPEC countries) bend them over a barrel.
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Just a normal guy. Just your average Russian guy.
 
OldSchoolManc said:
It’s time that state owned clubs were banned. Politics should never influence what happens on a football field, yet here we are with a government willing to excuse cheating on an industrial scale, just because they don’t want to upset other nations.
Actual countries/states should never own football clubs in other countries.
There‘s way too much conflict of interest.
You May say that the horse has already bolted, but just like Abramovich was forced to sell, it should be exactly the same for other state owned clubs. Problem is, the Tories love buttering up rogue states.

Disgusting that the National game has been allowed to become a pawn in political circles
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It’s not just the Tories, Labour won’t do a thing about this either. Andy Burnham has a prime opportunity to speak up about this but he won’t risk the investment in Manchester. Nothing will change at all unless it comes from a concerted, cross-club movement of fans and even then it’s probable nothing will change. Starmer has already laid out his intentions by spending some much time hobnobbing at Davos.

You’d have to think it would make sense for any government to knock state ownership on the head, it removes a source of ongoing headaches they could do without, sadly none of the political parties will risk investment by doing so, the country is on the hook completely.
 
How does City keep actual good/great players who are bench options/rotation happy anyway?

There has been others who are content with minimal roles in the side, latest one is Alvarez, you figure he should be a starter somewhere, but apparently happy to be rotation.
 
Morty_ said:
How does City keep actual good/great players who are bench options/rotation happy anyway?

There has been others who are content with minimal roles in the side, latest one is Alvarez, you figure he should be a starter somewhere, but apparently happy to be rotation.
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He has 6 goals and 4 assists this season. Plus trophies. Plus a lack of off the pitch bullshit. Plus fans that don't wave white hankies.
 
Shows the importance of a top DM. They lost every game that Rodri was suspended for
 
Pep last three domestic games has ended in three defeats and just one goal scored. Even the best managers struggles with a few injuries.
 
always_hoping said:
Pep last three domestic games has ended in three defeats and just one goal scored. Even the best managers struggles with a few injuries.
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Losing is part and parcel of football; how quickly a team loses its core principles is not.

City are extremely well coached, so aside from being cheats who have a team that shouldn't exist, it's something the rest of football can begrudgingly acknowledge. Looking at the football they play without key players, it's only a matter of time before the tide turns back in their favour under the same circumstances of absence - if they had to play the remainder of the campaign sans those injured players, would you bet against them winning the league?
 
I wonder if this will ever be resolved and that house will come tumbling down?
 
Fortitude said:
Losing is part and parcel of football; how quickly a team loses its core principles is not.

City are extremely well coached, so aside from being cheats who have a team that shouldn't exist, it's something the rest of football can begrudgingly acknowledge. Looking at the football they play without key players, it's only a matter of time before the tide turns back in their favour under the same circumstances of absence - if they had to play the remainder of the campaign sans those injured players, would you bet against them winning the league?
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Yes, one of the reasons if they don't win it this year will be because of injuries.
 
bosnian_red said:
Shows the importance of a top DM. They lost every game that Rodri was suspended for
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I’m forever thankful for the day Pep decided to bench both Rodri and Fernandinho in the 2021 CL final.
 
Wumminator said:
Just a normal guy. Just your average Russian guy.
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Compared to people like Bin Salman, he is frankly. That’s the point about States being untouchable.

I like our new owners, so I don’t say this to wax lyrical or long for Roman back… but essentially Roman was targeted by a country just because people inside the country didn’t like Chelsea. When the US was pressed by Great Britain to back them up in sanctions of Abramovich, they kindly told you the connections you were implying were not there. Zelensky made a personal plea on behalf of the Ukrainian born Abramovich. It got to the point they told Roman he had to move 3 of his planes… then hit him with a citation for … moving his planes.

Roman had put all assets related to Chelsea together in one bank controllable by the British government, and legally under a stewardship outside his control … after announcing he would sell the club… WAY before he was sanctioned… because he knew it would need to happen. He pledged 100% of the proceeds to Ukraine.

Instead of allowing the club to function even on a basic level, the English government shut them down to the the point fans couldn’t enter the stadium, even for free. They made it so they couldn’t very basic, British employees. Janitors not getting paychecks.

They are getting sued for their malicious actions as we speak, not by Roman, but by others that were hurt, including the company primarily located in the US falsely accused of providing armor grade steel to Russian tanks made, on average, 35 years before the company was founded.

BUT the man that met with Putin LAST MONTH to openly discuss how to help him bypass embargoes and sanctions just got to watch his team beat PSG in the Champions League, and people are talking about what a “feel good” story they are.

Man City and Newcastle should be subject to forced sales. The entities that own them aren’t just open Allies of Russia, they are also listed, by the British government, as active terror sponsors.
 
adexkola said:
You beat them two times in the prior days with both playing
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My memory is a bit fuzzy now but pretty sure both teams rotated heavily for the two games prior so it was a mish mash of first team and fringe players.
 
Happened to see the City v QPR game was on sky sports retro there. How in the name of god was there not an thorough investigation done afterwards? QPR players literally gave up once they knew they were safe, when Dzeko scored QPR took the restart and simply chipped the ball back to City and allowed them to score. There was even some QPR players celebrating with city players at full time for gods sake. That wasn’t once of the great premier league moments but undoubtedly the biggest on field moment of corruption and match fixing. It’s little wonder Pep the cheat wanted to go to City, he knew the cheating had already started there before he arrived.
 
Bluelion7 said:
Compared to people like Bin Salman, he is frankly. That’s the point about States being untouchable.

I like our new owners, so I don’t say this to wax lyrical or long for Roman back… but essentially Roman was targeted by a country just because people inside the country didn’t like Chelsea. When the US was pressed by Great Britain to back them up in sanctions of Abramovich, they kindly told you the connections you were implying were not there. Zelensky made a personal plea on behalf of the Ukrainian born Abramovich. It got to the point they told Roman he had to move 3 of his planes… then hit him with a citation for … moving his planes.

Roman had put all assets related to Chelsea together in one bank controllable by the British government, and legally under a stewardship outside his control … after announcing he would sell the club… WAY before he was sanctioned… because he knew it would need to happen. He pledged 100% of the proceeds to Ukraine.

Instead of allowing the club to function even on a basic level, the English government shut them down to the the point fans couldn’t enter the stadium, even for free. They made it so they couldn’t very basic, British employees. Janitors not getting paychecks.

They are getting sued for their malicious actions as we speak, not by Roman, but by others that were hurt, including the company primarily located in the US falsely accused of providing armor grade steel to Russian tanks made, on average, 35 years before the company was founded.

BUT the man that met with Putin LAST MONTH to openly discuss how to help him bypass embargoes and sanctions just got to watch his team beat PSG in the Champions League, and people are talking about what a “feel good” story they are.

Man City and Newcastle should be subject to forced sales. The entities that own them aren’t just open Allies of Russia, they are also listed, by the British government, as active terror sponsors.
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Who the British government facilitate and allow the sale of billions of pounds worth of fighter jets, weapons and munitions to.

Sell them bombs to drop on people, and then provide aid to the people the bombs are being dropped on.
 
The PL have recommended that Everton be hit with a 12 point deduction.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ier-league-12-point-deduction-ffp-punishment/

Got a feeling that this will give some indication as to what will happen with City. 12 points is apprantly the biggest punishment they could've expected. If they get hit with that, then City may be in trouble as it will set a precident.

Of course, if they get away with it, expect the same for City.
 
Dave Smith said:
The PL have recommended that Everton be hit with a 12 point deduction.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ier-league-12-point-deduction-ffp-punishment/

Got a feeling that this will give some indication as to what will happen with City. 12 points is apprantly the biggest punishment they could've expected. If they get hit with that, then City may be in trouble as it will set a precident.

Of course, if they get away with it, expect the same for City.
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Not sure they are that comparable, Everton's looks like a standard FFP breach i.e. the three year window is being assessed and they are accused of breaking FFP.

City's is sustained cheating over a number of seasons which has completely transformed the club. There is no punishment strong enough for the knock on effect they've had on other teams missing out on Europe or cups bar being removed from the league for a period of time whilst stripping titles, even that is a bit weak because they will come back at the level they are now anyway.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Not sure they are that comparable, Everton's looks like a standard FFP breach i.e. the three year window is being assessed and they are accused of breaking FFP.

City's is sustained cheating over a number of seasons which has completely transformed the club. There is no punishment strong enough for the knock on effect they've had on other teams missing out on Europe or cups bar being removed from the league for a period of time whilst stripping titles, even that is a bit weak because they will come back at the level they are now anyway.
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I am not saying they are. Rather I was pointing out what the PL is recommending in regard to breaches of its' rules. Punishing Everton to the max means a similar route should then be taken with City. Since City, have more breches and charges this should mean a bigger punishment.
 
Dave Smith said:
I am not saying they are. Rather I was pointing out what the PL is recommending in regard to breaches of its' rules. Punishing Everton to the max means a similar route should then be taken with City. Since City, have more breches and charges this should mean a bigger punishment.
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Gotcha, I guess City's is so unprecedented it will be interesting to see how it turns out
 
Dave Smith said:
The PL have recommended that Everton be hit with a 12 point deduction.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ier-league-12-point-deduction-ffp-punishment/

Got a feeling that this will give some indication as to what will happen with City. 12 points is apprantly the biggest punishment they could've expected. If they get hit with that, then City may be in trouble as it will set a precident.

Of course, if they get away with it, expect the same for City.
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The crucial difference is that unlike the City owners, the Everton owners don't supply the UK government with billions of pounds.
 
Dave Smith said:
I am not saying they are. Rather I was pointing out what the PL is recommending in regard to breaches of its' rules. Punishing Everton to the max means a similar route should then be taken with City. Since City, have more breches and charges this should mean a bigger punishment.
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Brown envelopes to PL and the media should take care of that. PL has no obligation to be fair to all teams. It can be biased and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
 
Dave Smith said:
The PL have recommended that Everton be hit with a 12 point deduction.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ier-league-12-point-deduction-ffp-punishment/

Got a feeling that this will give some indication as to what will happen with City. 12 points is apprantly the biggest punishment they could've expected. If they get hit with that, then City may be in trouble as it will set a precident.

Of course, if they get away with it, expect the same for City.
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It's amazing how blatantly these cnuts are cheating without any punishment. 100+ charges and not a single word about it.

Now the media is celebrating Newcastle and how awesome they are, and wore black arm bands as a sign of death of football when Qatar made bid for ManUtd.
 
Well done Carragher.
Has Neville ever come out and said similar stuff about 115 Abu Dhabi FC? Genuinely don’t know.
 
I’d have more understanding of Carragher here if he didn’t keep pushing City as the greatest thing since sliced bread
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Brown envelopes to PL and the media should take care of that. PL has no obligation to be fair to all teams. It can be biased and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
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Sure, the brown envelopes work in the media - although most likely to be significant sums of money paid to lawyers to get non disclosure agreements/legal injuctions against the media from reporting.

As for the PL, not sure that is going to work. It is made up of the 20 clubs with equal voting rights. How many of them would rather money over punishing City? Cannot see many..
 
The game isnt fair, clearly. What's the point anymore? The peoples game has been robbed by cnuts in suits cheating their way to plastic glory.
 
This comes out right after their chairman dies. The timing of this couldn't be any better, capitalising in Everton already being in the news.

Nothing will happen with Everton.

Just like nothing will happen with City.
 
The two situations are different. Of course I want City banished forever but we are comparing apples and oranges here.
 
Fr. Todd Unctious said:
Watch Everton get hammered while City walk away once again
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You sound surprised. Unlimited money tends to have a lot to do with how things go for you. The people doing this review of City are just people and if they choose the right ones to pay then I wouldn't be surprised if they do actually get to walk away from it.
 
Bluelion7 said:
Compared to people like Bin Salman, he is frankly. That’s the point about States being untouchable.

I like our new owners, so I don’t say this to wax lyrical or long for Roman back… but essentially Roman was targeted by a country just because people inside the country didn’t like Chelsea. When the US was pressed by Great Britain to back them up in sanctions of Abramovich, they kindly told you the connections you were implying were not there. Zelensky made a personal plea on behalf of the Ukrainian born Abramovich. It got to the point they told Roman he had to move 3 of his planes… then hit him with a citation for … moving his planes.

Roman had put all assets related to Chelsea together in one bank controllable by the British government, and legally under a stewardship outside his control … after announcing he would sell the club… WAY before he was sanctioned… because he knew it would need to happen. He pledged 100% of the proceeds to Ukraine.

Instead of allowing the club to function even on a basic level, the English government shut them down to the the point fans couldn’t enter the stadium, even for free. They made it so they couldn’t very basic, British employees. Janitors not getting paychecks.

They are getting sued for their malicious actions as we speak, not by Roman, but by others that were hurt, including the company primarily located in the US falsely accused of providing armor grade steel to Russian tanks made, on average, 35 years before the company was founded.

BUT the man that met with Putin LAST MONTH to openly discuss how to help him bypass embargoes and sanctions just got to watch his team beat PSG in the Champions League, and people are talking about what a “feel good” story they are.

Man City and Newcastle should be subject to forced sales. The entities that own them aren’t just open Allies of Russia, they are also listed, by the British government, as active terror sponsors.
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Interesting viewpoint
 
Adisa said:
The two situations are different. Of course I want City banished forever but we are comparing apples and oranges here.
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Well of course, but it's without doubt that stature of a club makes it easier to punish a club.

Hence Luton getting a 30 point deduction one year!
Or Bury or Macclesfield being kicked out of the football league.
Whilst Derby were allowed off numerous charges and could defer them.
Whilst Man City, well we all know...
 
Where there are huge amounts of money, there will be. let's just say, anomalies. City have an owner who only bought them because of the stadium was built and there was a lot of wasteland for them to develop. Football was secondary otherwise, why has the Sheik only been once since he bought them. They have been proven twice to have broken the rules through dodgy sponsorships. Gary Cook left in disgrace. Robihno thought he'd signed for Chelsea, Sparky was replaced by two-jobs Mancini whilst he was still in post and then they sacked him. The Emptyhad which they brag about as being super modern failed to indentify any City fans that threw coins at United players in 2012 injuring Rio. Just like they will fail to identify the scum that were chanting foul songs about Sir Bobby at the weekend. Loathsome club and fans.
 
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