City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome

KiD MoYeS said:
I see a lot of City aggregator accounts tweeting they suspect it will be a fine and citing the Athletic but don't actually see anything on the Athletic.
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It's tagged on to the end of the Haaland new contract story.

And what of the 115 (actually 129) charges, the eternally mentioned subject when speaking of City’s successes in the Haaland era? The general assumption among football fans has been that the club will be found guilty and heavily punished, but if Haaland is staying not just for a while, but essentially forever, what does that mean for the situation?
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Nobody knows for sure right now, with a verdict expected to be reached in March, but City have always been confident and some with knowledge of the situation, speaking anonymously to protect relationships, think that the sanction City face will not be more serious than a fine. That remains to be seen but the club’s recent activity in terms of transfers and contract renewals would seem to reflect that feeling. City were not planning to spend much money this month, but the injury situation and their poor form changed all that.

Right now, the club do not appear concerned and that is something rival supporters have started to notice.

Neither the threat of punishment nor the club’s current on-field struggles have prevented Haaland signing on for more. This is one of football’s most remarkable deals in every way.
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hellhunter said:
This is all I read @KiD MoYeS
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Thanks, I did find it in the Sam Lee article. It's a throwaway line basically suggesting City are operating under the presumption it will be a fine. I'm guessing that it was City have argued for as a punishment but if they're guilty it will need to be more severe.
 
Oranges038 said:
It's tagged on to the end of the Haaland new contract story.
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Thanks. I can never trust those aggregator accounts. If this was a more concrete story, it would be headline material. The same article does also suggest they will get heavily punished so they have offered both scenarios.
 
This is probably the last attempt to curb the increasing dominance of Arab petrostates on European football. It’s come too late anyway but it is a last ditch effort.

If this fails, get used to the new world. European cup finals played in Saudi, Qataris being guaranteed Ligue 1 titles, UAE almost guaranteed PL titles, multiple world cups in GCC countries; that’s all the tip of the iceberg.

I see the top leagues playing full game weeks overseas. Growing influence of Arab petrostates on UEFA and the champions league. Proliferation of ownership of European clubs in more countries as they chip away at regulations and as clubs and leagues buckle under economic pressure. Sure some fans will protest, but then the money on offer will quiet them down quickly, we’ve seen how lacking in principals the clubs and their fans are (see Newcastle).
 
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KiD MoYeS said:
Thanks, I did find it in the Sam Lee article. It's a throwaway line basically suggesting City are operating under the presumption it will be a fine. I'm guessing that it was City have argued for as a punishment but if they're guilty it will need to be more severe.
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Unfortunately these throwaway and rumour stuff is usually close to the truth. It was similar to when we got point deductions.

I wouldn't be surprised if City have managed to do a Leicester and they get off with a fine due to loopholes that the PL have left wide open for clubs to take advantage of with smarter lawyers than they have.
 
Traub said:
If the PL were smart, it will be a massive fine plus a decent point deduction (something like 15-20 points) for this season - City aren't going to win the league anyway, so effectively something which takes them out of the champions league for one season may be deemed as 'fair'.
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So they'll be out of it for one season then the season after it will be like none of this ever happened.
 
hobbers said:
If they’re found guilty of any of the 3 main types of charges and then not given any real punishment I think I’ll completely jack in being a football fan.

I could maybe stomach a case where there’s insufficient evidence or some stupid loopholes that get them off, but getting convicted by the panel of flagrant cheating and then not punished would be an irredeemable outcome for football.
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True, but even if they're not found guilty, there's enough in the public domain to enable to form a critical judgment that they have cheated.
 
Of course City are carrying on with a business-as-usual attitude. They - well, their owners - believe 100% that they can get away with anything, and that they have the cash to buy their way out of any situation. Nobody at any point in their lives will have given them any other suggestion.
 
Sir Jim is probably hoping nothing comes off this either, means he'd probably be like feck it too and go off spending what he wants, PSR will be dead in the water if City get a fine and at this point it already seems like it is
 
I wonder what Everton, Forest and Leicester will think of this if there’s not even a points deduction. Even if there is one and it’s a meagre 15-20 points that’s still taking the piss.
 
They arnt going to just get a small fine if found guilty when the Premier League spent 4+ years and a hell of a lot of money on this whole thing
 
Precaution said:
Sir Jim is probably hoping nothing comes off this either, means he'd probably be like feck it too and go off spending what he wants, PSR will be dead in the water if City get a fine and at this point it already seems like it is
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Wasn't he trying to get government funding for a new stadium?

Don't really get the argument that other clubs will do what they want if City get off lightly. Unless you have an owner who's willing to invest Billions for no return a clubs spending is governed by it's legitimate revenue. This actually makes it easier to let City off the hook as there's only City & Newcastle with rich enough owners to be able to do what they want.
 
If it's just a fine then we can pack up the EPL as a serious league.
 
I might have to stop following PL if City get away with this.

These feckers have ruined the PL for the last 8 years.
 
The fox is already in the hen house. Even if City are found guilty then what. Fine and relegation to Championship? BIG WHOOP. They will win the Championship and then the Prem the next year and the year after and the year after followed by Newcastle. All these fears of them owning everything and then we end up playing finals etc in Saudi is already a forgone conclusion. It's when not if. They own football. We let them in. The fight being put up now is the last stand by the old rooster but we all know its fkd.
Strip all titles and get relegated and there might be some fight in the old rooster yet. But its not happening.
 
decorativeed said:
Of course City are carrying on with a business-as-usual attitude. They - well, their owners - believe 100% that they can get away with anything, and that they have the cash to buy their way out of any situation. Nobody at any point in their lives will have given them any other suggestion.
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They probably think that if they spend a load of money, and do some mad financial stuff like Haaland, it'll make it harder for them the be punished with anything other than a fine.

We know from Chelsea that they don't like punishing fans if it all goes wrong, and I struggle to see how City survive with the contracts they've got to honour if they're out of the prem for several season.

We all know they've been doing, so now it just depends if they have the stomach to follow through with it, or just try and brush it under the carpet with a fine, which If they do will alienate so many other fans, basically prove that City are more powerful than the league they play in, and also quite rightly have other club showing no regard for PSR moving forward.

This a problem that could so easily have been avoided if they'd just banned State ownership in football, it was a recipe for disaster and that is how it has played out.
 
Just noting that in February, it will be whopping 2 years since the official charge, and surely there was investigation conducted before even deciding to charge

If it takes 2+ years to investigate financial crimes, either the investigators are incompetent or they were not guilty to begin with

This is ridiculous. Nuremberg trials took less time than this clownshow, ffs
 
NewGlory said:
Just noting that in February, it will be whopping 2 years since the official charge, and surely there was investigation conducted before even deciding to charge

If it takes 2+ years to investigate financial crimes, either the investigators are incompetent or they were not guilty to begin with

This is ridiculous. Nuremberg trials took less time than this clownshow, ffs
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The Nuremberg trials had less evidence of wrongdoing to sift through, to be fair.
 
Adisa said:
They’re in a very good position regarding PSR.
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Because of the profit they have made form previous transfers, paid for with money they are accused of never been allowed to spend.

Or paid for with money for 'success' they would never have had if they hadn't bought most of the players they are accused of never having the legitimate money to be able to buy.
 
NewGlory said:
Just noting that in February, it will be whopping 2 years since the official charge, and surely there was investigation conducted before even deciding to charge

If it takes 2+ years to investigate financial crimes, either the investigators are incompetent or they were not guilty to begin with

This is ridiculous. Nuremberg trials took less time than this clownshow, ffs
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To be fair City have been at this shit for nearly three times as long as WW 2 lasted.
 
Every single deal they do today is the result of the original burst of cheating. That needs to be repeated over and over again - I do not care how much they claim to turn over now, they got there by cheating
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Because of the profit they have made form previous transfers, paid for with money they are accused of never been allowed to spend.

Or paid for with money for 'success' they would never have had if they hadn't bought most of the players they are accused of never having the legitimate money to be able to buy.
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This is the point that underlines it all. Everything they’ve done since was built on fraudulent spending, so all needs to be pulled down.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
We are in no position to slag off clubs paying ridiculous wages and transfer fees tbh.
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I think people are slagging off a club who have paid ridiculous wages and fees through years of fundamentally and systematically pissing on the rules.

We earned it through decades of support and growth… we had the top English attendance when we got relegated. City had two old men, a dog and someone who was lost.

The two things have something in common but are also completely different.
 
I agree lads to be fair, we did kind of ruin the league by waving our massive money cock around first too though
 
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