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City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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This is why no one gives a flying feck about City no matter what they win. Any achievements will always be marred by the stench of corruption. Cheating cnuts.
Not to dispute the fact nothing will happen here or even that this info is accurate but you get the entire farce of the CAS situation was that evidence of cheating was uncovered but it couldn’t be used in that specific case as it was time barred?
Hence why every man and his dog is assuming there is also something untoward in this scenario.
Moans about trolling then suggests they only visit the forum to troll others.
If anything was going to stick it would've been the FFP stuff with UEFA last summer, there actually seemed to be some jeopardy there. They'll get away with a rap on the knuckles and probably an under the table payment to whatever corrupt body they can find to help them out.
City and others have been involved in shady dealings for years. The only punishment I can remember with any significance was Chelsea's transfer ban, and even that was inadequate. The teams who get stung by FFP are usually Championship clubs who are comparatively small fry.
City and others have been involved in shady dealings for years. The only punishment I can remember with any significance was Chelsea's transfer ban, and even that was inadequate. The teams who get stung by FFP are usually Championship clubs who are comparatively small fry.
Exactly this. For the life of me I’ll never know how somebody chooses to support such a rancid and corrupt club.
Genuinely, and they probably pretend not to acknowledge this, but nobody gives a sh*t when they win something for these reasons.
Haha! You're deluded mate.
It is a story because once again City are trying to obstruct an investigation against them by withholding information. It may have worked with UEFA but only because there was a time barred technicality.
The only misinformation is coming from your club ironically enough.
Yes, they may buy their way out of this with expensive lawyers. But the reality is they have been faking sponsorships for years.
One of the strangest things is how many City fans behave. I actually have sympathy for one's who've been there through it all. They didn't ask for these owners and they couldn't exactly prevent it and you can understand why they're happy to win things.
What i can't understand though is how many will absolutely tie themselves in knots trying to act as if its all above board and claim anybody that says otherwise is just bitter. The same tired arguments and mental gymnastics for over a decade.
Separately, i suspect that city fans, even if they don't know, can never actually feel the joy of success as its so obviously cloaked in suspicion. What Wigan fans felt beating them in cup final was likely a million times more authentically joyful than any title win for city. They've sold their souls
What i can't understand though is how many will absolutely tie themselves in knots trying to act as if its all above board and claim anybody that says otherwise is just bitter. The same tired arguments and mental gymnastics for over a decade.
Separately, i suspect that city fans, even if they don't know, can never actually feel the joy of success as its so obviously cloaked in suspicion. What Wigan fans felt beating them in cup final was likely a million times more authentically joyful than any title win for city. They've sold their souls
To be honest it's a complete farce that it's taken this long for their dodgy sponsorships to be brought to light in the media. Anyone with half a functioning brain knew from day 1 that none of those companies would legitimately pay as much as they did to sponsor Man City. I mean Etihad are a failing company hemorrhaging money yet apparently thought it made good business sense to give Man City an unprecedented 10 year shirt/stadium sponsorship deal.
Sport washing in action mate.
Bought club bought things shocker.
Whatever they do is ultimately irrelevant.
Whatever they do is ultimately irrelevant.
Didn't most pundits realise this would be the case?
I mean, Wenger said this in 2011:
Shocking the media don't seem interested in City paying its staff two salaries either.
Funny you mention that, a fair few of them are probably getting 2nd salary themselves from the same people.
DS Arnott will probably be carrying on a sordid affair with one of the city solicitors by the end of the week.
From a City perspective, I don't really see why this is an issue or surprising. If you just consider:
1. FFP was a rule in the competition you're taking part in, regardless of if you like it or believe in it.
2. City have been able to pay higher salaries and spend more on transfers than anyone else over the last decade.
3. They did this while 'complying with FFP'.
4. To achieve this, they banked more commercial revenue than any other club, despite - and surely no City fan could dispute this back in 11/12 - nowhere near as large a commercial draw.
5. So someone paid above market rates for that commercial revenue, which was used to buy players, which accorded with FFP. Who could that be I wonder?
6. Ah, it's all the owners family and friends.
Now, there's plenty of ways you can justify it: these are private companies that can do what they want, who are you to determine fair value and so forth. But the simple truth is every single City fan KNOWS that City are breaking the rules to outspend everyone, and every City fan DOESN'T CARE. Which is totally fine and typical of football fans.
But when you get caught cheating - again even if you don't like the law - you can't delude yourself out of the situation.
Then again, City are just trying the Trump strategy of holding it up in courts, suing everyone and yelling loudly that they're innocent. Will it work as well as Trump? I guess that depends on how similar City fans are to Republicans.
1. FFP was a rule in the competition you're taking part in, regardless of if you like it or believe in it.
2. City have been able to pay higher salaries and spend more on transfers than anyone else over the last decade.
3. They did this while 'complying with FFP'.
4. To achieve this, they banked more commercial revenue than any other club, despite - and surely no City fan could dispute this back in 11/12 - nowhere near as large a commercial draw.
5. So someone paid above market rates for that commercial revenue, which was used to buy players, which accorded with FFP. Who could that be I wonder?
6. Ah, it's all the owners family and friends.
Now, there's plenty of ways you can justify it: these are private companies that can do what they want, who are you to determine fair value and so forth. But the simple truth is every single City fan KNOWS that City are breaking the rules to outspend everyone, and every City fan DOESN'T CARE. Which is totally fine and typical of football fans.
But when you get caught cheating - again even if you don't like the law - you can't delude yourself out of the situation.
Then again, City are just trying the Trump strategy of holding it up in courts, suing everyone and yelling loudly that they're innocent. Will it work as well as Trump? I guess that depends on how similar City fans are to Republicans.
While better to win on the pitch, if your opponent is blatantly cheating then it makes sense to award the title to the party that was following the rules. Either that or mark it null and void and nobody gets it.
If they remove the titles from City, I’d rather they weren’t handed to the second place.
Will be interesting how the Guardian cover this story.
It won’t be down to City fans in the end. It’s going to be a combination of FA, politicians, and possibly independent arbitrators. UEFA will watch with interest, as will every other FA in the world. Also keeping an eye on the outcome will be every rich tinpot dictatorship on the planet. I mean if UAE can get away with this in England…
You’re shameless and deluded. The CAS decision was based solely on a statute of limitations barring certain evidence from being considered in UEFA’s ruling. There was never a finding of fact that said there was no evidence of corruption or financial doping. No such technical defence exists here, which is why city is using tactics to delay the disclosure of evidence.
Yeah that would probably make more of a statement and be a permanent reminder of City's cheating if in the history books there were 2-3 years where the PL had no winners.
Yes, like a Lance Armstrong/Tour de France thing
I can't see how any club can be happy that City have cheated, they've created a team that can basically win all domestic titles in their sleep.
Someone should get a huge banner made at Old Trafford with 'City cheating there way through life'
I think its only fair if all their titles are taken away and a transfer ban.
Someone should get a huge banner made at Old Trafford with 'City cheating there way through life'
I think its only fair if all their titles are taken away and a transfer ban.
I like this idea. Nobody would forget that way and would hopefully send a message.
You dont sound like a Trumper or a QAnon type at all nope.
Where theres smoke there is fire and you are living in denial.,
This is what happens when you let a nation state run a club. The money is there and had their been no restrictions put in place they would have had a 75 plus Million pound player in every position with a 50 Million plus player as back up for every position.
Id rather the 2nd place team was awarded the title.
A few people hold this twisted view that having one or two clubs with more money than all the others put together is a win for football because it breaks up “the cartel”. Deluded logic.
I think it was Matt Law who tweeted something daft like this regarding Chelsea success.
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It's all just so amateurish. No wonder CAS threw it out as "fruit from a poisoned branch"
This latest stuff is rehashed of the old stuff (right at the time we're going to go for kane and grealish) and will lead nowhere except get clicks for the newspaper. Its what utd/lfc fans want to read, especially when city are successful.... None of this will exist when pep goes.
Because I've seen it all before. The actual FFP stuff was based on 5 emails out of hundreds of thousands. 1of them a cut and paste job.
It's all just so amateurish. No wonder CAS threw it out as "fruit from a poisoned branch"
This latest stuff is rehashed of the old stuff (right at the time we're going to go for kane and grealish) and will lead nowhere except get clicks for the newspaper. Its what utd/lfc fans want to read, especially when city are successful.... None of this will exist when pep goes.
It's natural evolution.
A strong response from football would be to eliminate the possibility of having "a cartel" all together, but that makes too much sense.
Whilst having more titles would be an added bonus, would feel wrong to take a title at 2nd place, winning should be done on merit and not hand me outs. I'd rather cheating was properly punished and used as an example.
No they threw it out due to time barring.
It’s not just searching for clicks though is it, because they literally weren’t allowed to talk about it until now.
I assume we don’t know the full evidence that is currently being discussed, and you can pretend that city are holier than thou (even know they have already been punished for things like his before), but we both know your team is corrupt as hell (and it isn’t your fault btw, I actually feel bad for genuine city fans).
Save your breath. It’s like taking to a brick wall with these deluded cnuts.
Expulsion from the Premier League is the appropriate punishment. Will never happen of course.
It’s a bit like complaining about the House of Lords having too much power, so you vote in a dictator to sort them out.
Much as we all wish they were held to account for all the financial doping, none of these investigations have any real teeth or amount to anything.
They briefly had their head in the noose and wriggled out of it and I don’t see anything coming of this particular investigation because there’s no real sporting or political will to punish them.
The only way this changes is that the UAE goes rogue and becomes a political persona non grata along the lines of MBS’s Saudi and thus forces the politicians‘ hand to intervene along the lines of the way they did to kybosh the Newcastle takeover.
That isn’t about to happen because the UAE’s ruling family isn’t as clumsy as MBS. For another example, see Qatar who’ve also perfected the art of sportswashing.
They briefly had their head in the noose and wriggled out of it and I don’t see anything coming of this particular investigation because there’s no real sporting or political will to punish them.
The only way this changes is that the UAE goes rogue and becomes a political persona non grata along the lines of MBS’s Saudi and thus forces the politicians‘ hand to intervene along the lines of the way they did to kybosh the Newcastle takeover.
That isn’t about to happen because the UAE’s ruling family isn’t as clumsy as MBS. For another example, see Qatar who’ve also perfected the art of sportswashing.
I wouldn’t really class nation state backing of two or three clubs for sports washing purposes as “natural evolution”. It’s somewhat the opposite.
But yet, it would be nice to create a level playing field amongst all clubs.
The problem with that is you are punishing the 2nd place team who got there on merit and may have won the title outright if City hadnt have been a bunch of corrupt bastards