Anyone know when the conclusion of this is?
City are on 10 titles now. Just a travesty.
City are on 10 titles now. Just a travesty.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
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So. My point seems proven. Lots of very wishful thinking on here.
What? Has something happened?
Almost 5 months and the can is still being kicked down the road.
The sound of silence, as familiar to city fans as it may be, doesn’t indicate a positive outcome.
had to let them qualify for CL obviously. Little slap on wrist now to start season and that'll be it- English football altered forever, countless teams cheated from opportunity and success for over a decade, while the media cheered it on. The most unfathomable display of absolute soul rot a sport has ever seen and basically there is no turning back from it. After this, teams should genuinely try to cheat in every way they can - there is no right to shock or outrage in the sport anymore. They have destroyed the English game, and its not slightly hyperbolic to say so.
Celebrating corruption winning isn't a good look.
Is there an announcement I've missed or just another city fan getting giddy at nothing.
Nope. Nothing.
Nothing. The silence is probably due to further legal wrangles.
Or it’s because they were waiting until the end of May when they know how points is enough to make them safe but it’s enough of a punishment to be ‘fair’
The pool of apathy reflects blue sky.
It's probably just taking longer than expected for the Independent panel to go through all the evidence for each charge and decide a verdict, neither side should really be seeing this delay as any inducation of a positive outcome
Anyone expecting a punishment from this is going to be deeply frustrated. Spent most in the winter and in an FA Cup final?
They are walking it. Watch out next season for them.
They are walking it. Watch out next season for them.
Tbf, this could be one way of looking at it. Another could be City fronting it out if there are still legal issues. In that they went big in the window as a show of 'force' as a part of their strategy. Another aspect could be they know a transfer ban is coming and they shored there transfers up in Jan.
For me, this is a highly complex case from a legal perspective. The owners are also minted so every single avenue is going to be hard to get a 'win' on for the PL.
For me, it is too early to tell anything how this is going to go. My feeling currently is that City will be hit with a retrospective points deduction and possibly another that carries next year with a transfer ban for 12-24 months. This isn't the dream of relegation and thrown out of the football league but it will hamper them for the next two-three years with European qualification.
What makes it complex is that we’re talking about a state funded club where the owners are more than happy to challenge the legality of every rule there is, even though the intention was never for for the rules to by iron tight from a legal perspective. The Premier League, as voted by it’s members, agreed upon a set of rules and that was it, this is how we mainly want the competition to function. Which was mostly perfectly fine until Manchester City were unhappy and started with lawsuits, which then triggers other clubs to follow as they realize that they are fast approaching a number where they can essentially block the PL from introducing rules that will hinder their competitive advantage.
Like the lawsuit against the APT rules that were put in place. Manchester City barely made a successfull argument, but the minor things they did get acceptance was enough for the entire set of rules to be found void and unenforcable by the panel. That was for fairly minor things that could easily have been amended, yet it had huge consequences for the rule itself. Either Masters was well aware of the outcome and acted like there wasn’t any problems in an effort to push through new rules, or it came as a surprise to the PL. Either way it’s not easy to feel confident about the PL’s ability to actually govern the league.
They kept their powder dry in the summer and then splurged in January, they've obviously been given the green light on some level. Players and their agents wouldn't have signed up in January if they weren't given assurances. I think we're living in denial here.
Thanks for this rare insight
In this day and age, I just don’t see how the club ‘know’ something but nothing has been leaked to the media.
I don’t believe for one second that that would be possible these days.
I don’t know what the outcome will be and I’m fairly certain nobody but the panel do. I do have my suspicions that they are holding off on it until the season ends to see what they can do with the punishments, whilst making sure that the club will be ok in the medium-term
There has been a complete media blackout on this. If City had given agents any indication that they knew what the result was going to be it would have leaked everywhere by now. Agents are not discrete characters, they work in cahoots with journalists and journalists would do a lot for that sort of information.
Hypothetically, could the PL just say “you’re unwilling to play by the rules laid down by our members, so we’d like you to leave our competition”?
I assume so. I imagine City would be try and fight such a punishment, but when this all started I saw someone say that the harshest possible punishment would essentially end the club as we know it.
It basically said the Premier League could expel them and the Football League would have no obligation to accept them, and neither would the National League, etc.
With the money issues in the lower leagues, there is no way they don't accept them. A few deals under the table here and there and they will be back.
Hypothetically, yes, but it requires a vast majority of clubs in the league to vote in favor.
It’s not going to happen, however.
Punishment is the focus, understandably, and points or relegation the obvious ones.
But what if they simply declare City Football Group (CFG) as unfit owners?
That forces a sale, and I doubt, given the years of obstruction and underhand stuff, few would complain.
But what if they simply declare City Football Group (CFG) as unfit owners?
That forces a sale, and I doubt, given the years of obstruction and underhand stuff, few would complain.
They really should end up like Rangers.
This for me is surely what should have happened. And what must be written into the rules moving forward. Try not paying your taxes and/or refusing to submit the necessary documents to the tax man and see where that gets you.
There should be automatic penalties in the form of points deductions or whatever the minute any requested documents aren't submitted by an agreed deadline. That they've been able to kick this can down the road for so long is ridiculous.
I'm too lazy to go look this up, maybe Serie A fans or anyone in Italy can shed some light.
Did Calciopoli ruin Serie A? The one thing live sports has is that it's "supposed" to be fair, no cheating involved, no one manipulating the systems. The Premier League pushes this idea that "anyone can win".
Did the match fixing scandal in Serie A cause a decline in viewership or push players/money away from the league? I think Italian clubs and the league were more or less up there in terms of having top players and eyes on it up till about 2009 or so?
Yes, Inter won the Champions league, then Juventus and Inter both made the finals over the years but it feels like things were never the same. Sure there were other factors, the money in the Premier League, the meteoric rise of Barcelona and Real Madrid into another stratosphere, but I think Calciopoli still had an effect.
Could the FA be trying to avoid similar repercussions? If the integrity of the league is lost, will that affect interest in the product? Yes the scandals are different (lets not talk about premier league refs accepting coaching gigs over in the UAE and the possible implications there since that isnt the focus of this investigation), but the media and FA have really pushed City and their rise to the top. What happens if City need to be stripped of all their titles? Does then that lead to a closer look at Chelsea and whether anything dodgy happened there over the years?
To give another example, I feel like people were at least aware of cycling when Lance Armstrong was dominating. After his scandal, is cycling still as popular?
I think City may escape with a lighter punishment (if any at all) than they deserve in order for the premier league itself to be protected. I may be too much of a conspiracy theorist though, because even if City were demoted to the National League, is any other top league in a position to capitalise from the premier league losing some of its lustre?
All of this could have been avoided if City's owners were never allowed to buy the club in the first place. But the powers that be wanted an "exciting" product over anything else, like integrity of the competition.
Did Calciopoli ruin Serie A? The one thing live sports has is that it's "supposed" to be fair, no cheating involved, no one manipulating the systems. The Premier League pushes this idea that "anyone can win".
Did the match fixing scandal in Serie A cause a decline in viewership or push players/money away from the league? I think Italian clubs and the league were more or less up there in terms of having top players and eyes on it up till about 2009 or so?
Yes, Inter won the Champions league, then Juventus and Inter both made the finals over the years but it feels like things were never the same. Sure there were other factors, the money in the Premier League, the meteoric rise of Barcelona and Real Madrid into another stratosphere, but I think Calciopoli still had an effect.
Could the FA be trying to avoid similar repercussions? If the integrity of the league is lost, will that affect interest in the product? Yes the scandals are different (lets not talk about premier league refs accepting coaching gigs over in the UAE and the possible implications there since that isnt the focus of this investigation), but the media and FA have really pushed City and their rise to the top. What happens if City need to be stripped of all their titles? Does then that lead to a closer look at Chelsea and whether anything dodgy happened there over the years?
To give another example, I feel like people were at least aware of cycling when Lance Armstrong was dominating. After his scandal, is cycling still as popular?
I think City may escape with a lighter punishment (if any at all) than they deserve in order for the premier league itself to be protected. I may be too much of a conspiracy theorist though, because even if City were demoted to the National League, is any other top league in a position to capitalise from the premier league losing some of its lustre?
All of this could have been avoided if City's owners were never allowed to buy the club in the first place. But the powers that be wanted an "exciting" product over anything else, like integrity of the competition.
Any year now..
Too lazy to look something up on the internet, but not too lazy to write 1,000 word post.
Not sure where to post this but
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c14xyegjzv3o
What a rubbish club they've become. And BBC trying to divine reasons why they couldn't sell out a cup semi, when the answer is probably a lot simpler.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c14xyegjzv3o
What a rubbish club they've become. And BBC trying to divine reasons why they couldn't sell out a cup semi, when the answer is probably a lot simpler.
I went to watch Posh Birmingham at Wembley the week before. Posh seemed to have a similar sized cohort to City this weekend. Utterly outrageous.
It completely changed the league, Serie A prior to that scandal was on par with the English and Spanish leagues and was ahead of leagues like Germany and France. AC Milan, Juventus, Inter were top destinations for the world's best players. Their teams were a major factor in European competitions. Since that happened Serie A has become like a 3rd rate league, more on par with Portugal, Netherlands and Turkey, top players don't go there, they leave once they get good, interest in the league dropped off significantly, domestically and globally.
The whole point of sports is that it is a pure meritocracy, if that is tarnished it loses most of its appeal.
Don't worry it's just 'Wembley fatigue', bless them, they're all just exhausted from all the trophies they've been winning so can't muster the energy to turn up anymore.
Glad the media is there to tell us all what we need to think.
Oh no, City might not be in the league anymore. How will we ever cope with such a massive loss.
That's how many empty seats they had for their FA Cup semi final the other day. They don't even have enough supporters to fill 36,000 seats.
City case is limited to one club and yet exponentially bigger for football than Calciopoli because their owners are a sovereign entity playing sportwashing and geopolitics through a football club. It is truly possible this delay in revealing a decision means there are ongoing, private talks to save the PL product while making the sovereign entity unfit.
Calciopoli was a systematic, collusive environment aka an ongoing feud between Inter-Juve-Milan, ultimately settled through an Inter-led coup as revealed by the ordinary justice trials that progressively acquitted pretty all the banned people. Calciopoli actually killed Italian football, both Serie A and the national team.
Saw lots of Twitter comments along similar lines from their 'Fan'.
'We don't need to go anymore because we're all so tired from all the winning we've...bla bla bla maine road...1964 something...Shaun Goater.'
Can't blame them tbf, going to watch Chelsea is an expensive outlay, they can't watch them both in one weekend.
Winning can't be much fun after a while when you still get zero respect from any rival fans for anything you've done.
Having Sky Sports as your only real cheerleader because they're shit scared of getting sued must get tiresome for even a City fan after a while.