To be honest I am expecting nothing at all to happen to city, bar a fine and a rap on the knuckles about future behaviour. They have enough money and power to totally blow the PL and UEFA, FIFA out of site. Welcome to UK 2024, money buys you justice.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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Not at all. They knew what they were selling themselves to and if reports of "double contracts" are indeed true, they can get double fecked.
No I don’t think that is enough.
They should be kicked out for 5 years. They just shouldn’t be allowed in.
Let the FA work out where to put them.
The only right and just decision is that the owners are deemed “not fit and proper” and ordered to sell the club.
i didn’t even realise this was possible until they did it to Abramovich. Now I don’t see why they couldn’t do it to a handful of others.
Fixed.
The only part that needs to be fit and proper is the depth of the owner's pockets. Everything else is a sham. Imagine the PL recognizing City to be guilty of cheating 150 times but still classifiy their owners as "fit and proper". The Newcastle takeover and all the noise about the PL veting process showed us that it didn't really matter.
They should be removed from the Premier League, and banned for at least an equal length of time as is covered by the charges.
It's then up to the Football League to decide if they want them, and if so, in what division and under what conditions.
If they don't, they can ask the National League, and so on.
I can't see it happening though. They've become too well known as a brand (even if they haven't caught up to us) and there will be people who don't want to risk weakening the league by ejecting it's biggest player of the last decade.
It's then up to the Football League to decide if they want them, and if so, in what division and under what conditions.
If they don't, they can ask the National League, and so on.
I can't see it happening though. They've become too well known as a brand (even if they haven't caught up to us) and there will be people who don't want to risk weakening the league by ejecting it's biggest player of the last decade.
Why they didn't do it with Malcolm Glazer is still baffling. No way he should have been allowed to carry out a leveraged buyout; something that was illegal in the NFL.
I'm fairly sure that type of leveraged buy out is banned in the Premier League now too.
No idea, but arent we're making a lot of assumptions here about what the governments of Abu Dhabi and UK will and won't do in response to a football team being punished for cheating?
Nah goes deeper than that. It used to be like that until city were allowed to be used as political vehicle and our gov were desperate.
Some high level conversations will happen Nd things will suddenly go quiet or there will be a unique loophole.
He's such a prick. I hope that smug grin is wiped off his face at the end of the month. Although it'll be replaced by a picture of innocence and he'll claim it's all news to him.
If that happens then the PL as a competition would be done. City's cheating would go into overdrive they wouldn't even bother hiding it any more.
So let's see what actually happens.
It's already a joke of a competition
There's quite a few angles to it, but it's well known that the UK gov was involved in making sure that the Saudi takeover of Newcastle went through, and it's well known that the charges against Manchester City is a topic at a government level. Also, i wouldn't look at it in terms of how much they've actually invested in the country, rather where and who has something to lose, like politicians suddenly ending up with board seats etc. I think there's going to be quite a few people thinking about their own situation and trying to make sure they remain where they are by keeping someone else happy. Maybe the latter is far fetched, i suppose it's just a deduction in relation to what we know about the Saudi - Newcastle deal and the charge against Manchester City being a topic, but i think it's miles away from having to be a conspiracy nutjob in order to be concerned about things happening in the background.
You can argue that the PL has little choice but to punish Manchester City hard, as anything else is an open invite for teams like Newcastle to do the same. Unless i've completely misunderstood something, it's not like they can change the rules without having enough clubs voting for it, and we all know there's quite a few teams happy to vote No to closing any loopholes..Just like the PL is one of your biggest industries it's essentially a product, that product is likely to take a PR hit if Manchester City are found guilty, a PR hit means $. The PL being a bit of a joke of a competition in terms of it's competitive edge is a small price to pay to avoid a potentially very expensive PR crisis.
I'd love to be wrong, but it wouldn't really surprise me if they are cleared of any wrongdoings apart from the co-op bit, for which they are handed a record fine + suspended point deduction.
I dont believe this idea that the UK wont want to 'risk' its relationahip with the UAE. Its the UAE FFS, not America, France or Germany. Since when was relations with some tin pot Middle Eastern country grounds for looking the other way when they do corruption in the UK? Its the UAE who risked the relationship by poisoning the biggest cultural phenomena in the UK which is league football. The fact they felt they have the right to act so improper as a guest in the country is grounds for closing down their embassy.
Since when did the UK bow down to the UAE? The economy of London is bigger than this petrostate
Since when did the UK bow down to the UAE? The economy of London is bigger than this petrostate
Harsh opinion of Tebas. Far right lunatic, racist, scumbag? Sure. Single handedly took La Liga from most power league in the world to a one club league no one cares about? Sure. But you go too far when you call him a prick and talk about his beautiful smirk.
Hope I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like the slimy little cheater has had someone whispering in his ear telling him they've found a loophole and are going to get away with this.
God I hate him and his smugness.
Monday. My old man's birthday (a City fan)
Beautiful.
Beautiful.
Pep Guardiola: “Premier League rivals want to see us punished.”
Yeah imagine that eh? How petty of THEM to want to see you punished for literally years of cheating. Clown!
Yeah imagine that eh? How petty of THEM to want to see you punished for literally years of cheating. Clown!
Eh? Wasn't Pep at Barca when Tebas was president? Even I somehow knew Tebas was a lawyer.
Fit and proper ownership assessments and points deductions are certainly precedented. As are revoked titles when clubs have been caught cheating in other European leagues.
What do you expect the outcome to be? What outcome do you want?
This case basically determines whether I bother following the sport or not.
They'll get a fine and nothing else
If they are found guilty of even some of the charges, the precedent in the PL has been points deductions. At the very minimum I think they will get a very large points deduction that will be enough to relegate them at the end of this season.
If the charges are proven then they should be expelled from the PL and banned from returning for at least 5 years and even then, only with a change of ownership which can be proven to have zero connection to the current owners.
This is not some minor PSR / FFP breach, this is alleged conspiracy to present fraudulent accounts for the purpose of skirting rules they had signed up to.
2 years ago probably but the PL has set a points deduction as standard against Everton and Forrest they’re definitely losing points the question is how many.
I’m less concerned about the severity of the potential punishment than I am about whether they’ll be found guilty.
Yes banning the ownership will be the most impactful and feels totally justified given how they've acted.
They have to be docked points. Just dock them ten points a season for the last ten years. Then take away the titles if any clubs were within ten points in those years. Give those clubs the titles.
You’re only saying because you’d get those titles!
They would only get 1 the same as us
My prediction for punishment is a massive fine and relegation (in the form of a 60 point deduction).
I can't see how the PL can afford to lose this, as one paper said some people think that they must have some 'bombshell new evidence' to be going ahead with this as they are.
We all know City are going to have better lawyers, and the PL are going to have to prove they are guilty alot more than City are going to have to prove that they are innocent, so I hope this is true.
We all know City are going to have better lawyers, and the PL are going to have to prove they are guilty alot more than City are going to have to prove that they are innocent, so I hope this is true.
Do proceedings start for the obfuscation of information post-2019 straight after this?