Ministers of defence
Chiellini and Bonucci
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I will never forgive Southgate for not trying to give them any speed to deal with in extra time
I think he should be. If we compare him to other more stopper-type Italians, then he should certainly be in the same group as Cannavaro, Vierchowod, Bergomi, Gentile, Rosato. Within that group he's probably in the middle somewhere. I reckon Baresi, Scirea and Nesta are in a tier of their own, and more in the Bonucci mould.
Me neither. Southgate's management of this final was truly abysmal.
Magnificent bastards
Not close to Baresi, Scirea & Nesta and a tier below Cannavaro for me. Somewhere close to Costacurta, Vierchowod, Gentile & the likes — not an all-time great in his position, but someone who wouldn’t look out of place in any team.
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I was worried about that too but it never came. Southgate with a terribly managed final.
So happy they got their hands on an international trophy, lost 2 CL finals and a euro final so it was nice to see them get what they deserved.
2 legends of the game and their CB pairing will be remembered for generations to come.
2 legends of the game and their CB pairing will be remembered for generations to come.
Bonnucci's passing is unreal for a CB
So, as if playing together for about a decade and spending the last month together in a team bubble was not enough, they are now going on holiday together with their families 
German co-commentator/ex-footballer Sandro Wagner on Chiellini during the final:
"You can't hurt him. I tried couple of years ago, I wanted to show him some Sandro Wagner toughness, but he just smiled vaguely and gave me a kiss on the cheek. Since then I'm in love with this man."
"You can't hurt him. I tried couple of years ago, I wanted to show him some Sandro Wagner toughness, but he just smiled vaguely and gave me a kiss on the cheek. Since then I'm in love with this man."
They remind me of Bakkies Botha and Victor Matfield.So, as if playing together for about a decade and spending the last month together in a team bubble was not enough, they are now going on holiday together with their families
Chiellini is one of a kind. Excellent defender with great passion for the game but also a very knowledgeable, educated man with a golden heart. Many Italians love him to the bits and by many he will be remembered as fondly as the greatest in their history.
Great to watch, lacks pace but never see him exposed for it, sign of a great defender. Is this his last tournament or will he hang on for world cup, if this is his last what a way to go.
Right you can stay isolated with that attitude
Look at that beautiful post admiring the art of defending. Yet some of our fans think cbs who can’t head are alright as long as they can passBonucci was ace. Man of the Match in the final and arguably the Player of the Tournament for me, all things considered; a defensive titan throughout, fundamental to Italy's build-play from the back and the score-leveling goal was like the creamiest of icings on the most delightful cake (was half-wishing that he would go haywire like Tardelli/Grosso!
I read on F365 yesterday that these two have lost only three times when starting as a central-defensive pairing for Italy....
Now I don't know if that counts when they start as part of a back 3, but even still, its a great sounding stat. (depending on how many times they've done it!)
Now I don't know if that counts when they start as part of a back 3, but even still, its a great sounding stat. (depending on how many times they've done it!)
They're very good but I'm not sure they're as good as this thread makes them out to be i.e among the greatest ever.
I hate both of these twats with a passion. One of the few good memories of Mourinho is shushing them in their own stadium.
I said before the game that they'd handle Kane with ease unless the pitch was stretched by the wing-forwards or, he played away from them and avoided entanglement. Southgate played into Italian hands and made the game far easier for them than it should've been.
You work old men like that by making them run out to assist full-backs whilst worrying about what's then behind them as they simply don't want to run around frenetically at that age.
Chiellini really was dicing with red for his foul on Sterling, but the ref was lenient.
It's a nice story that they've got medals and won the tournament, but if Spain had competent strikers, the story would have ended there as they got sliced and diced numerous times. England didn't even try to test them, which does lessen their achievement, some what.
But with all that said and done, the amount of confidence it must give their team-mates to have them out there can't be stressed enough. Donnarumma looks like he's dead inside, but any nerves he might have had, I'm sure those two dispelled with their presence, experience and genuine calm they exude.
In this era of poor defending, it's important duos like this are about, though.
Qatar will be a different challenge entirely, with the heat and year older legs and engines.
You work old men like that by making them run out to assist full-backs whilst worrying about what's then behind them as they simply don't want to run around frenetically at that age.
Chiellini really was dicing with red for his foul on Sterling, but the ref was lenient.
It's a nice story that they've got medals and won the tournament, but if Spain had competent strikers, the story would have ended there as they got sliced and diced numerous times. England didn't even try to test them, which does lessen their achievement, some what.
But with all that said and done, the amount of confidence it must give their team-mates to have them out there can't be stressed enough. Donnarumma looks like he's dead inside, but any nerves he might have had, I'm sure those two dispelled with their presence, experience and genuine calm they exude.
In this era of poor defending, it's important duos like this are about, though.
Qatar will be a different challenge entirely, with the heat and year older legs and engines.
Absolutely love both those guys. But I can't help thinking about Barzagli, he didnt get to win with Italy along those two even though he won a WC. For the longest time, when you mentioned Chiellini and Bonucci, you'd also mention Barzagli because they formed the best CB trio ever. You can argue there were better CB pairs but as a trio it doesnt get better than playing those 3 at the back.
Also how can you not love Chiellini. He has the biggest smile on his face from the start of his national anthem to the final whistle. Every time he makes a foul or there's an argument he comes in with his huge smile probably making jokes and keeping things cool. You can tell he's having a blast playing football and would probably do it for free. So much respect for the guy.
Also how can you not love Chiellini. He has the biggest smile on his face from the start of his national anthem to the final whistle. Every time he makes a foul or there's an argument he comes in with his huge smile probably making jokes and keeping things cool. You can tell he's having a blast playing football and would probably do it for free. So much respect for the guy.
This pair has not many weaknesses, both tactically and technically. The only real test we could have given them is to make them run around all game and see how physically resilient they are, but alas.... we decided to fold and they didn't have to break sweat after minute 20.
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Underline sheer importance of having a solid CB pair in the team to win trophies.
Yep quality.
Exactly what you want in a pair of CBs.
2 top CBs , not tested by a player running behind or at them, they had Kane in there pockets and Sterling, not enough pace in the English team to test them more.
Same. Stuck by his (shite) favourites right into the grave. To think Rashford, Sancho, and even arguably Vardy and Greenwood never got a run against them is criminal management
They even complement each other looks. Bonucci is a fecking handsome bastard. Chiellini just gives you the vibe he would break your neck with a smile on the face.
So much talk about the pace before the game and I don't even think they got tired.
So much talk about the pace before the game and I don't even think they got tired.
Bonucci was on troll mode all night.
Gotta respect these two warriors, gutted as an England fan but Italy deserved their win. Glad Suarez took a chunk outta him though
How is cheating like this accepted and even lauded when diving is seen as such a great offense? At least with diving, the player is typically attempting to evade a tackle and potential injury. I believe that clear cheating like Chiellini on Saka needs to be punished with a red card. There is no excuse for it.
Proper defenders who embrace the battles and look forward to the engagements. Always love and appreciate these players.
Their personalities also aid them. Appreciate that they aren't passive about the culture of great Italian defenders and they are just all about the challenge.
It's either the man or ball that goes through, but not both. That was a funny moment but one that you admire because it's the smart yet rough and no bullshit approach.
Their personalities also aid them. Appreciate that they aren't passive about the culture of great Italian defenders and they are just all about the challenge.
It's either the man or ball that goes through, but not both. That was a funny moment but one that you admire because it's the smart yet rough and no bullshit approach.
Who is better of the two in everyone's opinion? And what tier of all-time Italy team do they make assuming 2 CBs? They've honestly had about 10-15 all-time CBs so I find it hard to place them. Thinking 3rd or 4th team, which is crazy considering they'd be most nations's greatest defenders.
He lost out on a duel after Saka out leveraged him on the sideline. It was a tactical foul that is very common, but looked out of place because he completely yanked his shirt and pulled him down.
The ref missed one of these similar pull backs a little earlier but nothing more than a yellow. If it was 30 yards up the pitch and 1v1, then red will be considered if he had no defensive cover.
I think Chiellini was the better of the two.
I prefer Chiellini. We saw Bonucci without him when he went to Milan and it wasn't great.
So, as if playing together for about a decade and spending the last month together in a team bubble was not enough, they are now going on holiday together with their families
Is there anyone who wouldn't want to go on vacation with Ciellini? I bet he is a blast while on vacation!
It’s more accepted because there’s no attempt to deceive the referee. No acting. Pretending to be hurt when they’re not. All of these things annoy fans more than a straightforward, obvious foul which they know they’ll get booked for.