Chido Obi

Drainy said:
You've evolved from watching clips of the last game, to half watching 20mins over the heads of other people in the pub, probably pissed
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I'm not drunk, I don't drink that much.

When it comes to youngsters like this, no one really gets to see them against adults.
 
Did illustrate that regardless of who plays at center forward the team behind them has no clue how to find them. Other than that he did not look overwhelmed by the moment and should be at the very least splitting time with RH from here on out.
 
Hammondo said:
At this point I don't care which starts up front, none are doing anything. I am worried we could do more harm than good to such a young player though.
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Could we? I think it would be valuable experience for him with zero expectation on him. I remember when Rashford started against Arsenal and that was the making of him.
 
Zero expectations for him but was good to get some minutes under his belt. Hopefully it gets him used to the fact he might/will be brought on as an impact sub.
 
Irrational. said:
Could we? I think it would be valuable experience for him with zero expectation on him. I remember when Rashford started against Arsenal and that was the making of him.
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That is true, but also we could damage his mentality, ruin his confidence, and give him some bad habits. I dunno what's best.
 
Can see why Amorim doesn't think he's ready, he looked raw. Hopefully he keep getting chances but by no means he should start it would ruin his confidence. Little spells here and there are the way to go.
 
He's recently turned 17 and looked it out there. He still got involved far more than Hojlund did (almost the same amount of touches and passes in 20 minutes compared to Hojlunds 70 mins). Also if Dorgu was able to square the ball that one time, Chido was there for a tap in. But obviously he's not ready for this level.
 
Regardless of his performance, congratulations to the lad on his debut in senior football last week and getting a proper taste this week.
 
bosnian_red said:
He's recently turned 17 and looked it out there. He still got involved far more than Hojlund did (almost the same amount of touches and passes in 20 minutes compared to Hojlunds 70 mins). Also if Dorgu was able to square the ball that one time, Chido was there for a tap in. But obviously he's not ready for this level.
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That's just crazy. And agree, he doesn't look ready for this level.
 
Not sure he's ready. I think we're just stuck with our regular forward options for the rest of the season (breaks down in tears).
 
rajds89 said:
He did.
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He didn't. He didn't do one thing which was better than Hojlund. Which is fine because he's 17. But please, don't make things up.

He sold a player short on a horizontal pass, he gave Ugarte a difficult chipped pass that was unnecessarily high, and when zirkzee played a ball to his feet he tried to take it on a half turn and failed. He didnt get too involved generally but these are 3 times he didn't do great on the ball, which is not better than Hojlunds first half, like it or lump it.
 
Insanity said:
He is really really young and raw. I wish we weren't in such a state and could ease him in rather than throwing him in the games we are chasing and expecting him to get something.
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What? This is easing him in. Couldn't have played more than 20 minutes. Gave us a focal point, got a few touches, made some neat layoffs, didn't get any shooting opportunities, but was involved in a comeback draw. He definitely did more than Hojlund and so long as you are being sensible and not holding him to the standard of prime Ronaldo, it was a good proper debut that any kid would be happy with.
 
I agree with the general concensus that, so far, he's looked pretty much what anyone who'd seen him with the academy and U21's could see - that he's a talented prospect, but understandably raw given his age, and that promotion to the first team squad at this stage isn't what would be happening but for our dire issues in the #9 department.

Individually wise, he's not really ready for it - again, completely understandable given his age. His Individual trajectory should really have been playing with the U21s the rest of the season - maybe getting the odd first team matchday squad in the final round or two of league games, if they don't matter, as some kids do. And then addressing the first team chances in pre-season, probably leading to an EFL loan in the first half of the season (and maybe even to leagues 1 or 2 to try and guarantee more game time given he'd still only be 17 then).

The desperate situation in the first team has changed that. And we've had to gamble on throwing him in much earlier than ideal. If he rises to the occasion, then that's a brilliant piece of luck for us. But there's also the chance that, should he struggle, it will effect his previously high confidence and positive trajectory and will knock him back.

It's not ideal. It's gambling on the long term because of short term necessity. But let's hope it pays off and Obi settles well into the first team environment and it proves a further positive to his confidence and career trajectory. But it could also very much go the other way.
 
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Hojlund needs to stop falling over at the slightest touch (same as Maguire when he gets in the box) and concentrate on offering some movement for those behind him. A striker should not wander toward the edge of the box and stand still, which invariably, is what Hojlund does. His movement is absolutely shocking when United are nearing the goal.

Obi Wan Chidobi offered more in that aspect at least, if nothing else. Perhaps, he is our only hope...
 
He was fine for a 17 year old sub. He wasnt really part of why we were better in that last stretch like Garnacho, but neither was he any worse than Zirkzee and Hojlund
 
VP89 said:
He didn't. He didn't do one thing which was better than Hojlund. Which is fine because he's 17. But please, don't make things up.

He sold a player short on a horizontal pass, he gave Ugarte a difficult chipped pass that was unnecessarily high, and when zirkzee played a ball to his feet he tried to take it on a half turn and failed. He didnt get too involved generally but these are 3 times he didn't do great on the ball, which is not better than Hojlunds first half, like it or lump it.
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He won a duel on the half way line which resulted in one of the Everton centre backs on his ass.. I can't remember the last time Rasmus did that. He won a flick on header towards the end of the game which found Zirkzee. I'm not saying it was an outstanding performance by any means but it's certainly a cameo in which I'd be comfortable seeing him get more minutes considering Rasmus is just offering nothing at the moment.
 
rajds89 said:
He won a duel on the half way line which resulted in one of the Everton centre backs on his ass.. I can't remember the last time Rasmus did that. He won a flick on header towards the end of the game which found Zirkzee. I'm not saying it was an outstanding performance by any means but it's certainly a cameo in which I'd be comfortable seeing him get more minutes considering Rasmus is just offering nothing at the moment.
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Rasmus made runs into channels to get some good passing lanes from wife areas, and didn't sell players short with his passing. He didn't lose possession as much either.

So yeah, Chido didn't outshine or do better than him in general play in "half the time" as you put it.
 
rajds89 said:
He won a duel on the half way line which resulted in one of the Everton centre backs on his ass.. I can't remember the last time Rasmus did that. He won a flick on header towards the end of the game which found Zirkzee. I'm not saying it was an outstanding performance by any means but it's certainly a cameo in which I'd be comfortable seeing him get more minutes considering Rasmus is just offering nothing at the moment.
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To both posters debating who played better -

It’s important to note Bruno dropped deeper in second half to try and dictate play which worked better for us.
 
VP89 said:
Rasmus made runs into channels to get some good passing lanes from wife areas, and didn't sell players short with his passing. He didn't lose possession as much either.

So yeah, Chido didn't outshine or do better than him in general play in "half the time" as you put it.
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Rasmus was shit yet again. Offered nothing. He may have run the channels or misplace a couple of nervy, making only your second appearance in professional football passes but there is a reason he was dragged off for an unproven child so yeah, continue to bang on the Rasmus drum but from what I saw, I thought Chido offered more in the short time he was on the pitch.
 
congratulations to the kid. Raw or not he came on for 20 mins with the right attitude and worked hard for the team. Personally, id rather see players in a red shirt trying like this, because for 70 mins today and for most of the season we’ve lacked any heart, passion and desire. The kid did just fine.
 
rajds89 said:
Rasmus was shit yet again. Offered nothing. He may have run the channels or misplace a couple of nervy, making only your second appearance in professional football passes but there is a reason he was dragged off for an unproven child so yeah, continue to bang on the Rasmus drum but from what I saw, I thought Chido offered more in the short time he was on the pitch.
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He wasn't dragged off. He played 70 minutes, and as I've mentioned there's nothing Chido did to prove general play was an jmprovement over Hojlund. Hojlund took care of the ball better than him.

It's fine the kids 17, you don't need to get on a hype train this early and create false narratives.
 
VP89 said:
He wasn't dragged off. He played 70 minutes, and as I've mentioned there's nothing Chido did to prove general play was an jmprovement over Hojlund. Hojlund took care of the ball better than him.

It's fine the kids 17, you don't need to get on a hype train this early and create false narratives.
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The one creating false narratives here is you believing Rasmus “looked after the ball better”.
 
VP89 said:
He did. I named every example of how too. Now move on.
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Likewise I have done with how Chido impressed during his short stint on the pitch. We're now just going around in circles so it's pointless continuing this back and fourth.
 
He looks raw but he definitely has a presence, looks massive.

Getting this experience so early can only be good for him against tough PL defenders.
 
rajds89 said:
Likewise I have done with how Chido impressed during his short stint on the pitch. We're now just going around in circles so it's pointless continuing this back and fourth.
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No you didn't. You said he won a header, and then put examples of things Rasmus did. This idea that he "outshone" or did more in "half the time" is made up bollocks. You didn't name a single thing he actually did more than Hojlund.
 
The level Hojlund has fallen is someone here trying to debate whether he offered more than recently turned 17 year old making his second profession appearance.
 
I knew this was still too early for him but he’s barely any worse than or more established starters on todays showing. I think there’s some in the youth team that could have more of an impact though, but that’s just guesswork as you never know until they’re thrown in there. Moorhouse with his pace and dribbling might be a good wildcard from the bench to offer something different.
 
VP89 said:
No you didn't. You said he won a header, and then put examples of things Rasmus did. This idea that he "outshone" or did more in "half the time" is made up bollocks. You didn't name a single thing he actually did more than Hojlund.
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He won duels, he won headers. Maybe outshining you're boy is a bit strong but the fact we're even having this debate speaks volumes about how far Rasmus has regressed.
 
VP89 said:
Rasmus made runs into channels to get some good passing lanes from wife areas, and didn't sell players short with his passing. He didn't lose possession as much either.

So yeah, Chido didn't outshine or do better than him in general play in "half the time" as you put it.
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People are absolutely dying to pile on hype on this kid and wrote off the old news kid in hojlund.

They would write off obi before end of season if he played every game.

Mad that nobody sees the reality that haaland would struggle to score in this team given the lack of build up and chances created.
 
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